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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Dec 17, 2002 9:37:42 GMT -5
Am I the only one out there that thinks the supply of high quality vintage robots is decreasing? From time to time I hear talk that the prices have fallen; but most of these "deals" seem to have flaws. Prices do fall when the most expensive inventory has sold out. Then you know how it goes, you see a mint in box toy, ask for details, and then find that there is "some" yellowing, there might be a piece missing, or C-8 is considered [glow=red,2,300]Mint[/glow]. My view is that prices are steady and that the flawed toys demand, rightfully, lower prices. Comments? Flaming? Support  ? -Ed |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 17, 2002 9:50:13 GMT -5
well, inevitably, the supply of 100% MIB vintage toys will always decrease. Many people buy them and intend to keep them for life. Others inadvertantly damage them or decide to take them out of the box and play with them (nothing like buying a toy you had as a kid and taking it out of the package for the first time again). When you're dealing with toys that are 20+ years old, this will always be the case. It's not like comicbooks or baseball cards, where everyone puts theirs in plastic and dreams of reselling them for a fortune some day. Most people don't buy these for the investment potential.
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Post by GettaRoboG on Dec 20, 2002 15:24:27 GMT -5
I have to admit...I remove all my toys from their boxes...I just love to see my shelves packed with robo goodies and on display.  |
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Post by Edward28 on Dec 20, 2002 15:48:54 GMT -5
I too love to display them. My big need for a purchase is for all the accessories to be present. I find that MIB toys are about the only ones where there aren't big flaws and missing parts..... My big point was that the supply of, let's say, "high quality complete" bots is noticeably shrinking on e-bay. Hidden flaws abound  -E |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 20, 2002 18:05:11 GMT -5
Maybe what it really comes down to is that ebay does not promote honesty. Sellers can get away with ANYTHING as long as they still walk away with more positives than negatives. I sell on ebay. In the begining, I gave a DETAILED report on every tiny miniscule little imperfection on my toys, but no one would bid. Meanwhile, I was paying top dollar for dishonest crap. I'm still honest, but I've learned to advertise the problems less. It does not pay to be honest, and If I didn't worry myself about morals and taking advantage of other people, I would have resorted to outright fraud and lying cuz it's what everyone else does, and no one gets in trouble for it. Notice how on most MIB auctions now, people don't bother to mention if the item has been opened and removed from the box these days? Again, it doesn't pay to be honest  |
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Post by Edward28 on Dec 21, 2002 10:48:30 GMT -5
Word!
I agree S that there is a great deal of dishonesty on the bay. I've been pretty successful with assuming nothing, asking a list of questions and being skeptical. For selling, sigh, I think I will have problems later when I do selling at a volume. So far my job has been stable so I haven't had to sell to much. But I do not look foward to the day when I must deal with shady buyers.
Sales is a tough business for the honest.
-e
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2002 13:36:13 GMT -5
Honestly, its much easier to get screwed over as a buyer. Unless you really know how to work the system, there isn't much you can do to a seller who claims he sent the item and that it was in Mint condition when he packed it.
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Post by jwm on Dec 28, 2002 15:23:09 GMT -5
Of course, the supply of high quality old toys is small. As time passes it can only become smaller. I think the MIB syndrome is unhealthy. Toys are for playing with. (remember Lenny Baxter) Most people who become obsessed with a rare and valuable toy end up being the ones who PAY zillions rather than make zillions. Collect because you love it. jwm
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Post by Otaru Ikari on Jan 7, 2003 12:02:25 GMT -5
Of course, the supply of high quality old toys is small. As time passes it can only become smaller. I think the MIB syndrome is unhealthy. Toys are for playing with. (remember Lenny Baxter) Most people who become obsessed with a rare and valuable toy end up being the ones who PAY zillions rather than make zillions. Collect because you love it. jwm True, True just think of Tpy Story 2 ;D ;D ;D IMHO with all revive interest to old toys having a more detailed and poseable reincarnation why settle for an expensive brick (not that they are bricks ;D ) to me it is not just worth it anymore, besides some get their re-issues too, like G1 Transformers or Bandai Valks. Why spend more and get possibly ripped off when you can try the new one though not the same quality as the vintage one, still they are toys that you will love to own, play and display |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 7, 2003 12:25:56 GMT -5
Going along with that, there are a whole lot of new items available specifically targeted at fans of the old bricks. If you'll notice, prices for G1 Transformers plummeted as soon as Takara began producing vehicle transformers again. All of the sudden, these people had something else to spend their money on. So with the new Transformers, new Go-Bots, various new versions and reissues of the Macross Valkyrie, reissues of Takara Brave items, and Soul of Chogokin, fans of the early stuff have more to spend their money on.
Maybe the owners of many of these vintage MIB items are just laying low until prices resurge?
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Post by Otaru Ikari on Jan 7, 2003 13:22:20 GMT -5
It is possible, it always does resurface though until when , and since most that buy vintage toys are old school lovers and are also old as well ;D ;D ;D we're not increasing in numbers , or are we , are there increasing interest on possibly new fans to buy the original or will they just buy what is out there ?
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Post by jwm on Jan 8, 2003 16:46:42 GMT -5
Here's another thought on the whole collecting hobby. The toys that you buy now will only get cooler and more desirable as time passes. I bought a bunch of Japanese robots back in the 70's because I thought they were cool. 25 years later they're both cool and rare. When I started collecting I did so with the idea that one day I'd have a really neat legacy to pass on to some deserving kid. Now I'm 50 and I have a niece, and a nephew who (thanks to their uncle) are both huge anime fans. Some day they'll get my collection. Now they don't even know that it exists, except for the newer Gundam stuff that I've gathered in the last few years. Look at your stuff. Imagine it all thirty or forty years old and impossible to find. All you have to do is hold on and let time do the work. JWM
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Post by Mikey on Jan 8, 2003 22:23:37 GMT -5
Hey, Uncle JWM!! Its me!! Your nephew. Hihihi! I'm glad I have an uncle like you. So when did you say you were handing over your collection to me!? ;D Good point there JWM. Although I don't have any kids yet so far, I probably will be doing the same thing. Hopefully in the future my kids will appreciate my collection as much as I did.  |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 9, 2003 13:12:43 GMT -5
I dunno. My dad saved the toys from when he was a kid to give to his child some day. He gave them to me, but the toys are so old and different from what we have now, that they're hard to appreciate. He gave me a rusty erector set and some old Lionel Trains. If they were my thing, I'd probably be overjoyed, but not many folks do trains and erector sets these days. Things become collectible to a point, but only as long as a lot of people are willing to pay for them. Eventually, they can become outdated. As was said before, buy them to enjoy them. THat's what it's about. Collectability anf inheritability are side perks, but you can't depend upon them. I can imagine how much it might suck to hand your precious collection down to a child who shrugs his shoulders and goes "eh" when you've spent years looking forward to giving them to him |
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Post by Otaru Ikari on Jan 10, 2003 12:13:03 GMT -5
Here's another thought on the whole collecting hobby. The toys that you buy now will only get cooler and more desirable as time passes. I bought a bunch of Japanese robots back in the 70's because I thought they were cool. 25 years later they're both cool and rare. When I started collecting I did so with the idea that one day I'd have a really neat legacy to pass on to some deserving kid. Now I'm 50 and I have a niece, and a nephew who (thanks to their uncle) are both huge anime fans. Some day they'll get my collection. Now they don't even know that it exists, except for the newer Gundam stuff that I've gathered in the last few years. Look at your stuff. Imagine it all thirty or forty years old and impossible to find. All you have to do is hold on and let time do the work. JWM Uncle where have you been ;D ;D ;D Your the best.........err....can I have them now  ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by mechapunk on Jan 11, 2003 13:31:09 GMT -5
Here's another thought on the whole collecting hobby. The toys that you buy now will only get cooler and more desirable as time passes. I bought a bunch of Japanese robots back in the 70's because I thought they were cool. 25 years later they're both cool and rare. When I started collecting I did so with the idea that one day I'd have a really neat legacy to pass on to some deserving kid. Now I'm 50 and I have a niece, and a nephew who (thanks to their uncle) are both huge anime fans. Some day they'll get my collection. Now they don't even know that it exists, except for the newer Gundam stuff that I've gathered in the last few years. Look at your stuff. Imagine it all thirty or forty years old and impossible to find. All you have to do is hold on and let time do the work. JWM We are on the same wavelength JWM ;D I feel so justified with your perspective on the hobby. The idea of passing them on is growing in me too. I have a niece and a nephew myself that I expose to anime. Since I am an old skooler (33 y/o) I tend to show old school anime. And they love it! I get goosebumps whenever they cheer Mazinger Z like when I did as a kid. And they often request me to play the next episode. They appreciate the toys I collect too. And young as they are, they know how valuable each are too me. They always ask permission from me to see and touch them But they often ask why I have to amass them... especially when I explain its worth, that I have to sell either my nephew or niece or even both of them to obtain an item. Hehehehe I still need a few more round of discussions to let it sink to them.  |
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Post by Otaru Ikari on Jan 12, 2003 13:20:56 GMT -5
Are you my uncle too ;D |
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