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Post by Ben-Ohki on Feb 12, 2007 6:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by 00silvergt on Feb 12, 2007 19:29:44 GMT -5
Whoa, this is what I'm waiting for, The beta and the Cyclone. Since there never was a Gakken Beta and the Gakken Cyclone is not worth what sellers are selling it for, at least to me. That toy is way too sensitive to breakage. Hopefully Toynami has figured out what quality control means?
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Post by mechaboy1 on Feb 12, 2007 22:15:46 GMT -5
Forget the cyclone, I want the Beta. ;D
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Post by 00silvergt on Feb 12, 2007 22:46:18 GMT -5
Machaboy1, dude get them both since it will be in some clearance place a few days it si released, if Toynami keeps their track record in quality!
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Post by Ben-Ohki on Feb 13, 2007 8:28:27 GMT -5
Always a couple of days late, here is the "official" post of the news release at Robotech.com: www.robotech.com/news/viewarticle.php?id=304And I reiterate in case people missed it: NOWHERE does Toynami's news release mention the Beta... Right now I'm skeptical that we'll ever see one. First they say "it's in the works," then they say they've changed their minds and will make a non-transformable one, and now, with the release of Shadow Chronicles around the same time as the Toy Fair (that's a can't-lose combination if there ever was one)... Toynami conveniently keeps silent about the Beta. I don't know what they were thinking showing off that old 2-year-old prototype.... |
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Post by mechaboy1 on Feb 13, 2007 16:04:50 GMT -5
True, if there was a time to release a beta, now would be it. I think someone mentioned earlier maybe they want to see how well the Shadow Chronicle sells before they decide to put the beta into production or it's just a gimmik to help sales. Do they even have a transformable beta? Looking at the pictures It doesn't look like it transforms. Maybe they can't decide between which one to release. If they are unable to make it transform a combo pack with both would be awsome. The box would be huge, but expensive. Who knows, I'm sure most of us will pick up a few when they come out.
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Post by Newtypezeta on Feb 15, 2007 0:38:28 GMT -5
Cool pics! That Cyclone looks like the old school I used to have that I bought from the Flee Market for $20  Beta Fighter Toy finally. |
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Post by howieh on Feb 15, 2007 9:02:11 GMT -5
Yeah! Cyclones and possibly a Beta! Go go 2007!
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Post by wilson on Feb 15, 2007 13:01:35 GMT -5
with toynami's QC problems i don't think i want a cyclone from them.. i had a Gakken Cyclone before and it has alot of small parts and breaks very easily. there is no way toynami can make a transforming Cyclone without parts breaking and falling off. i think i will wait for the 50% discount a few months after the release date.
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Post by thebigr on Feb 15, 2007 17:34:47 GMT -5
more info about Toynami + 1st mention of BETA as part of the 2007 lineup: www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=125&show_article=109all i have to say at this point is: -DON'T make it a statue what a waste of time/money -DON'T make it a fixed pose figure (some of my local stores STILL have those Robotech SUper-Poseables on the shelf!) -READ what every message board says about your products - BETTER QC!! Cyclone seems cool, but it would have been better for it to come out in 2004 or 2005 before retails were warry of ordering Toynami products due to QC! ...i just hope the old Alpha will link up with the new Beta, dont want to have to buy both! |
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Post by xiombarg on Feb 16, 2007 19:49:09 GMT -5
Whoa, this is what I'm waiting for, The beta and the Cyclone. Since there never was a Gakken Beta and the Gakken Cyclone is not worth what sellers are selling it for, at least to me. That toy is way too sensitive to breakage. Hopefully Toynami has figured out what quality control means? Actually, Gakken Betas were made, believe it or not, but Gakken folded the project before distributing, so then an unknown number were bought by a company named Lansay and distributed in France. Probably in the top ten rarest toys made in the latter half of the 20th century. Here's a link to check out. www.toyarchive.com/Macross/LansayBlueTredsFighter1.html |
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Post by mayita on Feb 16, 2007 23:12:52 GMT -5
I also own a beta fighter but it will only fit the 1/55 alphas not the big 1/35 scale
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Post by Ben-Ohki on Feb 17, 2007 8:05:30 GMT -5
Yet another conflicting report... www.collectiondx.com/node/1368Josh reports that he personally spoke with George Shon, president of Toynami - CollectionDX's write-up says that the Beta on display was "only to guage interest." So they still haven't decided if it's coming out or not. I wonder what made Figures.com talked to and why their report says the Beta is coming out?  |
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Post by mechaboy1 on Feb 17, 2007 20:32:45 GMT -5
The Gakken Betas come up on ebay once in a while. I saw one sell loose with a whole lot of other robots for around 500 dollars. It was hidden in between the other robots you had to know what a beta looked like to find it. I saw another one in box for around 1200. Back in the mid to late 90's they went for almost 2000 dollars. It's a pretty rare find and expensive for it's size. The Gakken Cyclone was always one my favorite toys. It's transformation process must be done carefully, but is awsome and accurate. I remember there was petition for the Beta a while back, but I don't remember the website. If someone finds it they could post it and hopefully everyone will sign it.
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Post by 00silvergt on Feb 18, 2007 0:19:32 GMT -5
Whoa, this is what I'm waiting for, The beta and the Cyclone. Since there never was a Gakken Beta and the Gakken Cyclone is not worth what sellers are selling it for, at least to me. That toy is way too sensitive to breakage. Hopefully Toynami has figured out what quality control means? Actually, Gakken Betas were made, believe it or not, but Gakken folded the project before distributing, so then an unknown number were bought by a company named Lansay and distributed in France. Probably in the top ten rarest toys made in the latter half of the 20th century. Here's a link to check out. www.toyarchive.com/Macross/LansayBlueTredsFighter1.html Thanks, bud, I was told a long time ago when I wanted a beta to "mount" my old Gakken Alpha that they never made them. Thank you for cliarifiying that. |
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Post by JoshB on Feb 20, 2007 9:39:13 GMT -5
George said that they spent so much developing the beta prototypes, that they would drag them out again and see what people thought. Still no concrete plans for production.
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Post by thebigr on Feb 22, 2007 14:33:33 GMT -5
low selling prices for Gakken Betas MIB means less will show up for sale in the near future.
it just makes NO sense- why NOT produce the beta? it seems like a win-win position at this point- interest is large, with Gakkens so much $$$ you'll get a lot of speculators too. just say you're going to make it, WHAM! you've got a big seller right there. i'm sure many SOC folks will buy it just for its strange design.
it features in almost EVERY mech scene in the new Robotech DVD- the cyclones are in what, one? two minor scenes tops? but there's 4 of them coming out...
what's the deal Toynami?
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Post by Ben-Ohki on Feb 22, 2007 19:42:27 GMT -5
I think Toynami is a little gun-shy at this point. Their concept was exclusive hi-end collectibles but in this many years, they haven't ever had a real big hit yet. The MPC VF-1 probably did okay but really, I'm pretty sure even Toynami knows what the hardcore fans are saying (you'd have to be deaf and blind and living under a rock in this day and age to not know that the REALLY hardcore collector's are sticking with Yamato's VF-1s. And the Alphas didn't do that well either - I think they essentially shot themselves in the foot by promising a Beta ONLY if the Alpha sold well and then too many people just said, "well, I don't want an Alpha unless there's a Beta coming." Viscious cycle at work...
But of course, these are all fairly uneducated guesses from a casual collector (but I admit to owning at least a couple of Yammies).
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Post by mechaboy1 on Feb 23, 2007 23:41:53 GMT -5
If Yamato were to make the Beta they would be the only company to officially release one. Like Ben-Ohki mentioned Toynami really hasn't "had a real big hit yet." The Beta with a connecting Alapha could be the answer. It will be a shure seller all around the world. It would help complete some collections. Toynami should also include a stand.  eh, hum |
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Post by 00silvergt on Feb 27, 2007 16:38:23 GMT -5
Machaboy1. Let's not forget Voltron... Toynami did one heck of a job with him. I agree it has done anything previous or after Voltron, but let's give them that potential?
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