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Post by thebigr on Jun 11, 2007 16:12:02 GMT -5
i'm pretty sure someone else posted this here at RJ in the last few days, but i figured a new thread was in order. quoted text is from ROBOBLOG III: THE ODYSSEY sdf5x.blogspot.com/"Thanks to Matthew J. Coelho for writing in with this scoop:
'It was announced by Kevin McKeever on Saturday at Super-Con that the Beta will finally see production. Apparently there is going to be an agreement between Toynami and Aoshima regarding the production of the Beta. Toynami has loaned the Alpha and Beta molds to Aoshima which will be producing the Beta for Toynami and it will be way less than the projected $200 cost (my speculation based on similarly produced toys it will be $129). The Beta will plug into the Toynami produced Alphas.
This is good news to all of us that have been waiting for a Beta. The only problem is convincing my wife that I need two of them.'"------------------ ...we can only hope that with Aoshima involved that the new Alphas & Beta will have better QC than the Toynami MPC Alphas. we'll have to wait & see until July when the Aoshima Alphas start hitting. me, i'm leaning towards the CMs set- i have a feeling its going to have more diecast and better joints- but my need for a Beta/Alpha combo outweighs my need to shun Toynami. |
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Post by shantastic on Jun 13, 2007 19:53:27 GMT -5
my need for a Beta/Alpha combo outweighs my need to shun Toynami. lol. One of the funnier things i've read in a while. This is why I ended up with all of the Toynami alphas (minus Scott Bernard's.) Thank god the Aoshima betas will link up with the Toynami alphas, so that my MPC purchases won't be a total waste. I do keep having this recurring nightmare of the Alpha breaking when attempting to connect the beta, as the Toynami product will not be use to having quality connected to it. |
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Post by wilson on Jun 15, 2007 0:29:47 GMT -5
i have 3 toynami alphas and the QC really sucks because of that i don't think i will spend any more money on toynami's betas. Shantastic you want to buy my scott benard alpha? my need for a Beta/Alpha combo outweighs my need to shun Toynami. lol. One of the funnier things i've read in a while. This is why I ended up with all of the Toynami alphas (minus Scott Bernard's.) Thank god the Aoshima betas will link up with the Toynami alphas, so that my MPC purchases won't be a total waste. I do keep having this recurring nightmare of the Alpha breaking when attempting to connect the beta, as the Toynami product will not be use to having quality connected to it. |
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Post by thebigr on Jun 15, 2007 16:06:56 GMT -5
Thank god the Aoshima betas will link up with the Toynami alphas, so that my MPC purchases won't be a total waste. |
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Post by Majinga Z on Jul 7, 2007 3:36:23 GMT -5
Is that why the sudden price increase in the Scott Bernard Alpha? I remember people saying that Game Stop was selling them for 20 bucks.
My friend just sold his on Ebay for 200!
Also...will the Aoshima Alphas affect the price of the Toynami ones...since they are just about the same thing?
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Post by thebigr on Jul 10, 2007 16:52:06 GMT -5
yes, i'd wager so Majinga. People who are Alpha fans will see how much better the Aoshimas are and never go back.
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Post by paladin on Nov 12, 2007 11:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by thebigr on Nov 19, 2007 18:08:45 GMT -5
yet again, the carrot is dangled in front of poor Beta fan's faces. |
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Post by Ben-Ohki on Jan 28, 2008 13:02:22 GMT -5
Yes yes, I'm dragging this thread out again.
I got caught up with my podcast backlog this week and one of the clips I listened to was a Q&A session by Space Station Liberty with Tommy Yune (man, that host is not cut out to be a radio personality; there're often long pauses when he talks (sometimes utter silence!))...
Anyway Tommy Yune, the director behind the current version of Robotech at Harmony Gold explained that after the fiasco that was the Aoshima version of the Legioss, Harmony Gold has decided to produce the Beta themselves (that is, it will manufactured by the same factory that did the previous Masterpiece releases) and that Aoshima will sell that produce repackaged in Mospeda branding as the Tread.
Everybody got that? The Beta will NOT be produced by Aoshima's contracted factories.
Yune further went on to explain (sounded more like an excuse to me, but hey, I wasn't there so...) that Aoshima themselves were disappointed with what happened with their rebranded Legios. Their batch from the factory, despite the revised joints, was rushed through production and QC suffered worse than the Toynami version Alpha.
Which further makes me think: what the heck, maybe I should start scouring online for a cheap Toynami Alpha... rather than bother with hunting down an Aoshmia Legios from overseas.
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Post by thebigr on Jan 28, 2008 17:25:54 GMT -5
I had heard from one of the boards that Aoshima used a Toynami factory, Toynami specs, Toynami molds, and that after the Alpha problems, they severed their ties... maybe the Toynami Dollar Train came back, and Aoshima used dollar bills to dry their tears. I don't know, i just really want to plunk my money down already for the CM's- what's up with the pre-order?!?!
Ben, have you ever owned a Toynami Alpha? ive had a couple. not worth it.
wow, man, don't bother- they're just as bad as the Aoshimas. out of 4 i have never ever had one that didnt break, scratch or chip within 5 minutes of it being out of the box. the last one I got, both wings had glue in their joints and BOTH broke with the first transformation.
Its a combination of the transformation design, the cheapo plastic used, the diecast being in the wrong places. I think you'd have to do something like CM's - a complete redesign - in order to make a good Alpha.
i'm waiting for a CM's set but i'd give a Toynami Beta a chance... if only to prove to silly corporate types that YES we did want one and YES we were willing to pay for it and YES, Toynami, you were 100% wrong to delay this project for all those years.
I will also cry very hard for being sucked again, as it breaks in my hand. Tears will flow as my expensive robot scratches when joints are moved. They will drip to the ground as i notice all the paint missing from the Beta's back as it was rubbed off in shipping, or not allowed to properly dry. then i will curse at the money spent, then i will put it up on ebay as a parts lot.
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Post by megatroptimus on Feb 1, 2008 12:26:36 GMT -5
I got one Toynami Alpha and it's perfect. You must be too rough when you play with your stuff.
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Post by quinjester on Feb 1, 2008 15:16:09 GMT -5
I got one Toynami Alpha and it's perfect. You must be too rough when you play with your stuff. About 1 in 5 Alphas were perfectly fine. The other 4 were often broken before they even left the box. You are an exception, not a rule. |
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Post by megatroptimus on Feb 1, 2008 15:23:18 GMT -5
Oh, you inspected each and every Alpha figure released in the whole wide world? As a rule of thumb, you will only hear about the people who had defects, rarely or never from all the happy customers who are not posting here or on Macrossworld. 1 defective figure out of 5, although a VERY high ratio if you ask me, would already be more realistic.
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Post by quinjester on Feb 1, 2008 22:55:35 GMT -5
In the whole wide world? no. I have, however gone through a case or two inspecting them. Not to mention the whole fact that Aoshima is practically walking away from their own usages of the molds in shame and disgust. Considering how "small" the collectors market can be, one would imagine that if there WERE more reports of good figures, there would be more people objecting to the "these are crap" arguments. Suffice it to say, there aren't, which again leaves you as an exception, not a rule.
In the end, even if it was only 1 out of 5, it's still an unacceptable failure rate.
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Post by megatroptimus on Feb 2, 2008 12:06:31 GMT -5
Oh, unacceptable failure rate, I totally agree. But don't throw numbers in the air like that out of nowhere.
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Post by zephyranthes on Feb 4, 2008 1:50:09 GMT -5
I was disappointed with my Toynami Alpha. I felt that the QC could have been a whole lot better with mine. I discovered parts that didn't fit properly, parts that move correctly, and excess (or misplaced) glue in a joint. The Alpha looked great in jet mode but these flaws made for an unpleasant transformation process. I'm aware that even mighty Bandai has had QC issues with even high-end items so Toynami isn't alone. However, it does make me much more wary about future Toynami purchases such as the Beta should it ever see the light of day.
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Post by zephyranthes on Feb 4, 2008 1:51:44 GMT -5
Meant to say "parts that move INCORRECTLY".
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Post by megatroptimus on Feb 4, 2008 13:09:22 GMT -5
I wonder why it's so hard to have such a simple mold work correctly... An all-plastic construction would probably help a lot.
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