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Post by Bazookafied on Apr 26, 2005 11:54:57 GMT -5
I made a comment in a previous thread that got me thinking. What DEFINES a Gundam? What allows a designer to call their creation a Gundam? G-Gundam (horrible) strays to all ends of the title of this Mecha name and I've seen unofficial variations from MAHQ that look like they qualify as a Gundam, but aren't at all. What charecteristics must a Mobile-Suit have to earn this title?
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Post by ataru on Apr 26, 2005 12:11:49 GMT -5
Have Gundam in its name. ![;)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/wink.png) There are some other things but they ultimately don't matter. The Huckebein from SRW looks more like a gundam than many gundams do, but it isn't one. The Hyakushiki is a prototype from development of zeta gundam, and they put it in the Fix line, but noone thinks of it as a gundam. GM stands for Gundam Mass-produced, but noone thinks of GMs as gundams either.
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Post by Mudrock's Ace on Apr 26, 2005 17:31:49 GMT -5
simple the V fin, almost every gundam has one, so if you see the V fin or double V fin on the head of the ms,it's a gundam.
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Post by ataru on Apr 26, 2005 19:53:38 GMT -5
The problem with that is stuff like the EZ-8, a generally accepted gundam with no v fin, and the huckebein, a definite non-gundam that has a v fin. It does apply almost all of the time though.
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Post by Mudrock's Ace on Apr 26, 2005 22:04:46 GMT -5
well i did say almost all gundams have V fins, another is the face plate and the red, blue, etc chin thing.
oh yeah and the double beam sabers that almost all gundams carry.
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Post by Bazookafied on Apr 27, 2005 9:19:48 GMT -5
Keywords: "Almost", "Most", that doesn't define a Gundam if theres exceptions. Double beam swords is usually the norm for most MS in UC, but there are many other MS in other storylines that have only one Beam Saber. The Heavyarms Custom doesn't have any beam sabers, neither do most of the Gundams in Wing or Endless Waltz. Colors definetly don't define a Gundam. If that were the case, they'd all be the same colors, which is far from accurate.
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Post by ttahaj on Apr 27, 2005 12:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by amuro78 on Apr 28, 2005 11:57:38 GMT -5
If Sunrise said something is a Gundam, then it is a Gundam. ;D
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Post by jwm on Apr 28, 2005 12:04:07 GMT -5
Just a guess: maybe it's a Gundam if it's called a Gundam, and came from a series with "Gundam" in the title? JWM
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Post by Ben-Ohki on Apr 29, 2005 11:40:56 GMT -5
The problem with that is stuff like the EZ-8, a generally accepted gundam with no v fin, and the huckebein, a definite non-gundam that has a v fin. It does apply almost all of the time though. But an Ez-8 is actually a retro-fitted RX-79[G] Gundam... It's like doing body work on a car - no matter how fast and furious it become, you still call it a Honda... ![::)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/rolleye.png)
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Post by ataru on Apr 29, 2005 15:35:45 GMT -5
Ben-ohki- you're right, and that's an apt example. I think of it like the easy eight sherman tank in world war II. It has totally different suspensions from the old version of the sherman, among other modifications, but it's definitely still a sherman. The suspension definitely was not what determined whether or not the tank was a sherman- likewise the v fin does not determine whether or not something's a gundam. Most gundams have v fins (unless you count GMs as gundams, in which case vastly more gundams would not have v fins than have them), and many have the standard tri-colors or the red chin or the double beam sabres, but in the end the only deciding factor is whether or not it's actually called a gundam.
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Post by muumuu on Apr 30, 2005 11:14:58 GMT -5
Keywords: "Almost", "Most", that doesn't define a Gundam if theres exceptions. Double beam swords is usually the norm for most MS in UC, but there are many other MS in other storylines that have only one Beam Saber. The Heavyarms Custom doesn't have any beam sabers, neither do most of the Gundams in Wing or Endless Waltz. Colors definetly don't define a Gundam. If that were the case, they'd all be the same colors, which is far from accurate. If you say that the few exceptions make it so certain characterstics are meaningless towards defining a G, then you won't ever be able to saying one certain thing is 'it,' since there will ALWAYS be exceptions to everything. Speaking of GENERAL cases, the V fin is definitely characteristic of G's. Dual eye sensors, and the gundamish head are also typical, though again there will always be some exceptions down the road. G's piloted by the hero almost always has the RWBY coloring. What is the reasoning behind the G coloring scheme anyway? My guess is that since Gundam -> Gun + Freedom, the coloring was mostly limited to the Red White and Blues, with all the guns and the supposed freedom in the US of A. At the same time though, while the 'whole lotta guns' impression may be something shared by much of the outside world, the other would have been the 'american dream,' which looks more at capitalistic freedom. Of course it could be something completely different...
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Post by ataru on Apr 30, 2005 12:27:35 GMT -5
MuuMuu, there are really only 2 choices. Either everything that is "technically" a gundam is a gundam, including all GMs, the hyakushiki the rick dias, etc. Or everything that is called a gundam is a gundam. I think the latter is a much better general rule.
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Post by muumuu on Apr 30, 2005 13:49:19 GMT -5
MuuMuu, there are really only 2 choices. Either everything that is "technically" a gundam is a gundam, including all GMs, the hyakushiki the rick dias, etc. Or everything that is called a gundam is a gundam. I think the latter is a much better general rule. Come on, now... the key here is overanalyze, overanalyze, overanalyze. Don't give a simple answer when a more convoluted one can be found ![;)](http://lemonstre.fr/robot-japan/smileys/wink.png)
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