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Post by miracle on Mar 27, 2014 2:46:08 GMT -5
prehaps it is off topic.
you guys might know, there is aonther law sue case between tsuburaya production (ultraman company)and a Thailand comapny call Chiyo. Chiyo win the case and got the classic Ultraman's right worldwide beside Japan.
But none of Japanese Toys company buy license from Chiyo becase of their respect.
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Post by magengar on Mar 27, 2014 6:24:02 GMT -5
I think I understand a little bit. Here's how I look at it, from a radical view........ Here in the U.S., American businesses respect each other, but that respect is only a mask. Underneath that mask, companies compete against one another in every cut-throat way possible and it rarely gets to the point of running one another out of business, not always, but it does happen once in a while. Companies sue each other all the time. They steal ideas from each other... plagarism. When U.S. companies go to court against one another, it appears like a b*tch-fight... Like a bunch of selfish greedy little girls wrestling in a mud pit, because they want Attention. They want attention from the world, they want the world to see who makes the better product. Many decades ago, American products used to be made in good quality. Not anymore. These days, it's about Competition; and the customer loses out. As far as having any relationship with a Japanese company, foreign businesses fail to learn and understand Japanese culture, in order to see Respect from the Japanese perspective. It is so easy to disrespect a Japanese company, you wouldn't realize it until it's too late. The 'respect' between American businesses and corporations is only mutual, until the competition becomes extreme. Back to my statement above, American businesses act like little girlie mud-wrestlers. Have you ever watched Women Mud-wrestling? Look it up on YouTube! We have many Japanese businesses and corporations here in the U.S., and I generally don't see them acting in the same childish manner as the American businesses are doing. Japanese businesses have a better sense of Respect. Professionally, they value Respect over Pride. They already Know that they produce good quality products, so they do not need to brag or flaunt it. They don't over-saturate the media with commercial advertisements for their products, for them Less is More. A Japanese company's market base is huge because of the quality of their products. That good quality earns them a reputation, and they will do everything to maintain such good reputation. Unlike any American business, a Japanese company doesn't have time for games or slack. A Japanese company doesn't have time to f**k around and goof off. A Japanese company will not do anything hasty or careless that would disgrace itself. And if any other business even Tries to step on the toes of a Japanese company, they're asking for trouble. I believe that when two Japanese companies litigate against each other, they still maintain honor and respect. but when a Japanese company is in a legal battle against any gaijin (foreign, non-Japanese) company, especially an American company... you can bet the American company will look like a stupid clown, because it does not see Honor and Respect the same way as the Japanese see it. I could be wrong in some of these aspects. But again, I'm just looking at it from a radical view. zozo-mag
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 11:54:03 GMT -5
thinking of it, apart from Bandai, why other toys company like takara, yamato, CMs, they all make Die cast toys, why they not licensing Voltron in these past ten years? why Yamato making a lot of Macross Toys, why they not licensing Robotech in US, to sell them officially? this is all about respect. nothing deal with rights. CM's corp is dead, Takara is happy with Transformers, Yamato now Arcadia is hard-core Macross. And like I said before, Go Lion is not that popular in Japan. Yamato/Arcadia will love to bring Macross toys into the US, but they cannot because of a company, which is as bad or even worse than WEP, will sue them if they tried to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 11:55:58 GMT -5
In my opinion if Toei really wants Go Lion, Dairugger XV, and Bismark back, they should flat out buy WEP.
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Post by antares on Mar 27, 2014 13:49:05 GMT -5
thinking of it, apart from Bandai, why other toys company like takara, yamato, CMs, they all make Die cast toys, why they not licensing Voltron in these past ten years? why Yamato making a lot of Macross Toys, why they not licensing Robotech in US, to sell them officially? this is all about respect. nothing deal with rights. CM's corp is dead, Takara is happy with Transformers, Yamato now Arcadia is hard-core Macross. And like I said before, Go Lion is not that popular in Japan. Yamato/Arcadia will love to bring Macross toys into the US, but they cannot because of a company, which is as bad or even worse than WEP, will sue them if they tried to. Have licensed macross ever been sold in the u.s.? What company is preventing Arcadia from selling them here? Is there just not enough market demand in the u.s.?
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Post by Dead-Man on Mar 27, 2014 16:00:42 GMT -5
wow i left for a while only to return and see this !
is LCM toy a legit business?
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Post by locidm on Mar 27, 2014 16:53:13 GMT -5
CM's corp is dead, Takara is happy with Transformers, Yamato now Arcadia is hard-core Macross. And like I said before, Go Lion is not that popular in Japan. Yamato/Arcadia will love to bring Macross toys into the US, but they cannot because of a company, which is as bad or even worse than WEP, will sue them if they tried to. Have licensed macross ever been sold in the u.s.? What company is preventing Arcadia from selling them here? Is there just not enough market demand in the u.s.? Where have you been?? While a few Macross products managed to slip through the cracks and made it to US retail without issue, Macross has generally NOT made it outside Japan because Harmony Gold claims to own all things Macross outside Japan and is sueing anybody who tries to sell Macross outside Japan. Meanwhile, Harmony Gold, who brought Macross to the US as Robotech back in the day, has not down much of anything with the Macross /Robotech license other than sueing people over it. You will notice that even BBTS does not carry Macross products in general. All Macross merchandise practically need to be imported these days outside Japan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 17:19:55 GMT -5
BBTS does sell Macross products, but they had to be creative by calling such product Valkyries.
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Post by locidm on Mar 27, 2014 17:26:44 GMT -5
They do have SOME Macross products but compared to what is being sold in Japanese stores like amiami and HLJ, BBTS's Macross offerings are minuscule. Again, effects of Harmony Gold.
EDIT: over the past couple years BBTS has been clearing old Macross stocks and no (or very few) new macross products. I just checked out BBTS again to see what's left, and found no macross products at all. Only Robotech stuff from Toynami. I'm pretty sure at some point HG notified BBTS to not sell any Macross product anymore, which led to the phase where they had to name Macross products something else to sell existing stocks, and now that the stock is gone, no more new Macross products.
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Post by antares on Mar 27, 2014 19:01:38 GMT -5
BBTS does sell Macross products, but they had to be creative by calling such product Valkyries. I remember checking on bbts for macross stuff a couple years ago and seeing them listed as Valkyries, like you said, and there was little if anything in stock.
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Post by kamenrider on Mar 27, 2014 21:20:20 GMT -5
Yeah Harmony Crud told BBTS to stop carrying Macross stuff which sucks. Its impossible to catch ANY macross pre orders on amiami. I honestly know know how they can do it seeing has they only had the rights to the original series.
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Post by locidm on Mar 27, 2014 22:30:05 GMT -5
They trade marked the name Macross. So unless Big West change the name they can't export it legally, but I'm no expert on this matter.
Anyway, who knew we'd be talking about Macross and HG in a Golion thread. Let's get back on topic.
I'm still waiting for a legitimate and proven retailer to put out the preorder before making consideration.
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Post by Dead-Man on Mar 28, 2014 23:07:24 GMT -5
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Post by chachipower on Mar 28, 2014 23:22:16 GMT -5
Looks more like renders to me. I would like to see real prototype pics up close. Overall looks good but ther parts tbey changed to make it look different bothrr me. Like the white details on the wings. What is that?
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Post by xiombarg on Mar 29, 2014 0:22:30 GMT -5
That's a CG render for sure. Still it looks good for what it is. Obviously they don't have a working prototype yet, so it's likely to be a long while before this thing actually gets made.
I don't know how excited I am to have another round of almost completely un-forecasted product hype at such an early stage in development after the whole VV thing. I just wish somebody would officially qualify these images with some kind of information as to what or if they mean anything more than somebody's idea for a new Golion, or even better, how about some approximation of a release date? Seeing these images is cool, but they don't necessarily mean anything yet when it comes to a figure being produced.
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Post by chachipower on Mar 29, 2014 6:49:39 GMT -5
That's a CG render for sure. Still it looks good for what it is. Obviously they don't have a working prototype yet, so it's likely to be a long while before this thing actually gets made. I don't know how excited I am to have another round of almost completely un-forecasted product hype at such an early stage in development after the whole VV thing. I just wish somebody would officially qualify these images with some kind of information as to what or if they mean anything more than somebody's idea for a new Golion, or even better, how about some approximation of a release date? Seeing these images is cool, but they don't necessarily mean anything yet when it comes to a figure being produced. Yeah just brings bad taste to my mouth like wben we saw cg of the vehicle voltron. Any good 3D person can bring to life things on the screen but is it coming to life in our world is the question. Seems to early to get myself excited about it.
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Post by crpdiablos on Mar 30, 2014 2:30:43 GMT -5
They say October Release but I'm with everyone in not preordering this guy
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Post by repairtechjon on Mar 30, 2014 12:21:48 GMT -5
This CG images is cool ,but it's all enthusiastic hype, planning, and fishing for feedback. I have no doubt this toy is planned, and will likely get made, and the makers mean well, but no way does this earn my $$ before it's solidified. If it's just somebody's project for a $5- $30 toy, and I know the person/company well, I may take a chance, but you want to get something expensive and involved made? Get Kickstarter, or some other investment group to get it going, THEN we'll buy it.
That said, looking forward to how this turns out. It'll get made when it gets made. Doesn't matter when.
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Post by B- on Mar 30, 2014 17:29:09 GMT -5
I think I understand a little bit. Here's how I look at it, from a radical view........ Here in the U.S., American businesses respect each other, but that respect is only a mask. Underneath that mask, companies compete against one another in every cut-throat way possible and it rarely gets to the point of running one another out of business, not always, but it does happen once in a while. Companies sue each other all the time. They steal ideas from each other... plagarism. When U.S. companies go to court against one another, it appears like a b*tch-fight... Like a bunch of selfish greedy little girls wrestling in a mud pit, because they want Attention. They want attention from the world, they want the world to see who makes the better product. Many decades ago, American products used to be made in good quality. Not anymore. These days, it's about Competition; and the customer loses out. As far as having any relationship with a Japanese company, foreign businesses fail to learn and understand Japanese culture, in order to see Respect from the Japanese perspective. It is so easy to disrespect a Japanese company, you wouldn't realize it until it's too late. The 'respect' between American businesses and corporations is only mutual, until the competition becomes extreme. Back to my statement above, American businesses act like little girlie mud-wrestlers. Have you ever watched Women Mud-wrestling? Look it up on YouTube! We have many Japanese businesses and corporations here in the U.S., and I generally don't see them acting in the same childish manner as the American businesses are doing. Japanese businesses have a better sense of Respect. Professionally, they value Respect over Pride. They already Know that they produce good quality products, so they do not need to brag or flaunt it. They don't over-saturate the media with commercial advertisements for their products, for them Less is More. A Japanese company's market base is huge because of the quality of their products. That good quality earns them a reputation, and they will do everything to maintain such good reputation. Unlike any American business, a Japanese company doesn't have time for games or slack. A Japanese company doesn't have time to f**k around and goof off. A Japanese company will not do anything hasty or careless that would disgrace itself. And if any other business even Tries to step on the toes of a Japanese company, they're asking for trouble. I believe that when two Japanese companies litigate against each other, they still maintain honor and respect. but when a Japanese company is in a legal battle against any gaijin (foreign, non-Japanese) company, especially an American company... you can bet the American company will look like a stupid clown, because it does not see Honor and Respect the same way as the Japanese see it. I could be wrong in some of these aspects. But again, I'm just looking at it from a radical view. zozo-mag The main reason Japanese companies have this reputation is because their work ethic is strongly tied to their Buddhist beliefs,maybe we need to turn back to God in this country not the filth that is running our country now.But on the other hand Mazinger to put all American businesses in a nutshell and call them girlie mud wrestlers is a bit much dont you think?and really offensive to those of us who are hard working Americans.
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Post by magengar on Mar 30, 2014 18:32:04 GMT -5
As I stated earlier: I could be wrong in some of these aspects. But again, I'm just looking at it from a radical view.
Political Correctness is not my best asset. I trusted folks would somehow understand where I was coming from, but I should have been more specific and less blunt.
About the girlie mud wrestler thing: I was referring to the wealthy American Corporations... the ones who are loaded with stocks and backed by corporate banks.
I was not referring to the middle-class local family-owned businesses. I have more respect for the guy who built his own business with his own Blood, Sweat, and Tears, and he Remembers where he started from. I'll just leave it at that, with an apology.
But as one who is also a hard working American, I've been offended by worse things in Life. I continue onward.
zozo-mag
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