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Post by tetsuryu on Nov 30, 2014 1:47:23 GMT -5
LOL.... I'm sure you understood what I meant when I called Tetsuya a wuss. Well, uh, no, I didn't. At least in my vocabulary, "wuss" is synonymous with a coward. But yeah, I already know all that stuff. I wasn't going to let something like "lack of translation" stop me (I had to watch Great Mazinger before I could move on to Grendizer, after all) so I steamrolled through the whole series, english translation be damned. Never underestimate me when I get a determinated streak
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Post by B- on Nov 30, 2014 15:09:13 GMT -5
I agree with tetsuryu about marathoning thru an anime series. In most cases it can burn you out right away. The only time I've ever marathoned through an anime series was the Yuusha Raideen anime... That show is 50 episodes long, and I watched about 5 episodes per night back to back. I enjoyed it for its fast pace, so I wasn't bored with side-plots and character dramas. I love the robot Great Mazinger. But I wasn't so enthused with his anime show, and to be honest the ending of that series appeared lame to me, compared to the ending of the Mazinger-Z series. I dunno... in the Great Mazinger series, pilot Tetsuya Tsurugi seems like a wuss. In one episode, Great Mazinger was trapped inside a volcano... Tetsuya un-docked the Brain Condor and left Great Mazinger down there, thinking that his robot couldn't withstand the lava. That was friggin LAME of Tetsuya to leave Great Maz like that. Professor Kabuto finally ordered Tetsuya to dock back with Great Maz and get him out of the volcano, which he finally did. I think if Koji had been there during the first few episodes he would've smacked Tetsuya silly for being such a wuss. I'm glad Koji and Mazinger-Z returned in the later half of the series... ...this time Mazinger-Z saves Great Maz from near-destruction at the mercy of the Myceneans. So this anime show belongs back to Mazinger-Z, all hands Down. Tetsuya was just a puppet all along in becoming a robot pilot, as he had no true cause for his mission. Koji, on the other hand, had a true moral cause to seek his destiny as a robot pilot... ...his own grandfather and Shiro's babysitter were murdered by the enemy, so that was Koji's initial drive to seek revenge, with the help of Mazinger-Z... Koji was thrust into his life of being the crime fighter, as he realized he not only had to avenge his grandfather-- he was also responsible for defending the world. At first Koji seemed reluctant to accept it as his fate, but then as the series progressed he evolved into accepting it as his destiny, to a point at times he even lets it go to his head and wears it as a badge of honor. Rightfully So. And, Those were the biggest differences between Koji and Tetsuya. If you have the Mazinger-Z SOC, and the Great Mazinger SOC, both in your hands... ...which one of those SOCs draws your attention the most? I have both SOCs. And once in a great while when I play with my SOCs, I tend to spend more of my attention on my Mazinger-Z SOC first, and then later on I'd play with my Great Maz SOC. Do any of you find yourselves in that same vibe between those two SOCs as well? I think the only other reason the Great Mazinger robot character survived into the toy franchise was because of the success of the Mazinger-Z franchise... ...and I'll even bet kids back then were more impressed with a Great Mazinger robot toythan they were of the anime. Great Mazinger made it into the toy franchise by the skin of his teeth, and again into the SOC line. Over all, I like how all of the super robots compliment their anime shows in some form. At least they give you a physical toy representation of their anime shows, to chill out with. zozo-mag Oh i dont know its the enemies in GM that turn me on,just finished watching again the 14 ENglish episodes,and a few Youtube stragglers,all I can say is teh enemies to me are much cooler,they are evil and Supernatural not just robots with a saw on their head,feel me?Dont get me wrong i lobe Mazingers enemies but GMs enemies are just more creative.Liove the head on stomach thing,and bizarre like animal/people creatures etce tc,the generals too.. As for the SOCs Magengar do you have the first ones or the renewals? GX02 or GX-02R? Because the 02R has those horrible spring feet that he tips back and forth on his stand,sucks,I have two Mazingers on each side of him with their wings against GMs so he doesnt bend forward.The GX-02 doesnt have that issue I dont think.
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Post by magengar on Nov 30, 2014 17:02:04 GMT -5
said: As for the SOCs Magengar do you have the first ones or the renewals? GX02 or GX-02R? Because the 02R has those horrible spring feet that he tips back and forth on his stand,sucks,I have two Mazingers on each side of him with their wings against GMs so he doesnt bend forward.The GX-02 doesnt have that issue I dont think.I have the -01R and the -02R (renewals). The -01R is at my mom's; and the -02R is here with me. I haven't encountered any problems with either of them and they've been standing still ever since day one outta da box. Look more closely at the -02R... if you pivot the foot downwards to release the leg wings, then the feet should feel a little more stable. If it still rocks back loosely try wedging thin pieces of paper or cardboard between the feet and the leg armor (behind the ankles so the paper is not in plain view). Use either Black construction paper or color an ordinary piece of paper black with a Sharpie... that way the paper won't look obvious in plain sight. Other than that, don't try to Frankentech with it, or else you'll damage that leg wing feature. zozo-mag
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Post by magengar on Nov 30, 2014 17:03:47 GMT -5
(wow, editing and quoting here at Proboards is getting weirder! lol)
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 30, 2014 17:12:53 GMT -5
Of all the Pilots, Duke Fleed was the worse. Tetsuya was good but lacked intestinal fortitude. Koji was a great pilot because he had to learn in order to stay alive. But the best of all Super Robot pilots is "crazy" Ryoma - no questions asked! Even if you put Ryoma in Boss Borot, he would still be able to defeat the toughest enemy... }D
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Nov 30, 2014 17:41:52 GMT -5
Of all the Pilots, Duke Fleed was the worse. Tetsuya was good but lacked intestinal fortitude. Koji was a great pilot because he had to learn in order to stay alive. But the best of all Super Robot pilots is "crazy" Ryoma - no questions asked! Even if you put Ryoma in Boss Borot, he would still be able to defeat the toughest enemy... }D Ahhh, someone had to mention good ol' Nagare Ryoma Heck yeah he could jump inside a dishwasher and tear an enemy robot apart just by throwing plates at it and shouting "Getter Tomahawk!!!"
Now, we'd better not delve into a Mazinger pilots VS Getter pilots here, it would be a bit OT. But for those who want to know the basics: Mazinger Z, Great Mazinger and Grendizer had "hero" pilots, some more *cough* courageous than others *cough* but all in all, they all wanted to protect the world from (insert menace-of-the-week here) and protect their friends, mentors and relatives.
Getter Robo was piloted by PSYCHOPATHS well, in the manga at least. In the anime they're just a bunch of typical students, but in the manga... oh boy. I've yet to read it, but I've read somewhere that Ryoma is a terrifying bully, and that Hayato is an environmentalist with homicidal tendencies (?) yeah, not your average "heroes"
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Post by S_Gokin on Nov 30, 2014 18:29:38 GMT -5
Of all the Pilots, Duke Fleed was the worse. Tetsuya was good but lacked intestinal fortitude. Koji was a great pilot because he had to learn in order to stay alive. But the best of all Super Robot pilots is "crazy" Ryoma - no questions asked! Even if you put Ryoma in Boss Borot, he would still be able to defeat the toughest enemy... }D Duke Fleed was great man he didn’t take orders from no one’s he act by his self in most of the show he was just flawless and accurate on his hit with the double harkin, Koji was using both methods acting by himself and listening to Professor. Yumi Tetsuya on the other hand was listening all the time to dr.kenzo kabuto and in the one time he didn’t listen to him he almost destroyed Great Mazinger Rymoa was normal on Getter robo and Getter Robo G but in Armageddon he was crazy like you said he will be bad a$$ even if you put him in aphrodai a just imagin a black aphrodai a LOL
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 30, 2014 18:38:55 GMT -5
Koji was also the youngest of all. Duke Fleed just did not like to fight unless he had to - he rather hide as long as possible instead of going out at the first sign of danger. Tetsuya had great training, but lacked courage. And yes, manga and Armageddon Getter pilots were "not" very nice people to begin with... }D
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Post by magengar on Nov 30, 2014 21:02:53 GMT -5
I think Bandai should've included tiny pilot figurines along with the SOCs, in scale with the detachable vehichles; and for the other robots- in scale with what could be the robot's cockpits. And even if those small figures might look simple in detail or unpainted, they would make the SOC set look really nice.
The Energer-Z SOC did a nice job including Kenzo Kabuto on the bike, inside Energer's head... ...so then, use that as reference for tiny figurines to go with the SOCs.
zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Nov 30, 2014 22:03:04 GMT -5
Koji was also the youngest of all. Duke Fleed just did not like to fight unless he had to - he rather hide as long as possible instead of going out at the first sign of danger. Tetsuya had great training, but lacked courage. And yes, manga and Armageddon Getter pilots were "not" very nice people to begin with... }D Magengar its because of that stupid spring click wings that the feet are bouncy,its the way its made,THEY SUCK..TMZ you explained to me the issue with GX-02R the ankle spring thing,can you explain to Magengar what Im talking about,maybe I dont understand it well enough.Remember we had this conversation on Gx-02R ankles..
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Post by B- on Nov 30, 2014 22:09:34 GMT -5
said: As for the SOCs Magengar do you have the first ones or the renewals? GX02 or GX-02R? Because the 02R has those horrible spring feet that he tips back and forth on his stand,sucks,I have two Mazingers on each side of him with their wings against GMs so he doesnt bend forward.The GX-02 doesnt have that issue I dont think.I have the -01R and the -02R (renewals). The -01R is at my mom's; and the -02R is here with me. I haven't encountered any problems with either of them and they've been standing still ever since day one outta da box. Look more closely at the -02R... if you pivot the foot downwards to release the leg wings, then the feet should feel a little more stable. If it still rocks back loosely try wedging thin pieces of paper or cardboard between the feet and the leg armor (behind the ankles so the paper is not in plain view). Use either Black construction paper or color an ordinary piece of paper black with a Sharpie... that way the paper won't look obvious in plain sight. Other than that, don't try to Frankentech with it, or else you'll damage that leg wing feature. zozo-mag Mine stands still its just they are bouncy,TMZ can explain it better,they are all that way.They are not firm tight joints like Mazinger because those stupid spring wings in the legs..Hold yours still,bend teh body back and forth see how it moves,the play do to the spring mechanism?shouldnt do that,Mazinger doesnt,its how they made 02R its stupid.
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Post by magengar on Nov 30, 2014 23:53:12 GMT -5
I have the -01R and the -02R (renewals). The -01R is at my mom's; and the -02R is here with me. I haven't encountered any problems with either of them and they've been standing still ever since day one outta da box. Look more closely at the -02R... if you pivot the foot downwards to release the leg wings, then the feet should feel a little more stable. If it still rocks back loosely try wedging thin pieces of paper or cardboard between the feet and the leg armor (behind the ankles so the paper is not in plain view). Use either Black construction paper or color an ordinary piece of paper black with a Sharpie... that way the paper won't look obvious in plain sight. Other than that, don't try to Frankentech with it, or else you'll damage that leg wing feature. zozo-mag Mine stands still its just they are bouncy,TMZ can explain it better,they are all that way.They are not firm tight joints like Mazinger because those stupid spring wings in the legs.. Hold yours still,bend teh body back and forth see how it moves,the play do to the spring mechanism?shouldnt do that,Mazinger doesnt,its how they made 02R its stupid. I see what you mean. I'm doing that right now, holding the feet firm on my desk surface and letting Grt Maz spring back-n-forth... kind of an almost 'bouncy' action going on there, I can feel the spring tension in the ankles... like "Boing!" I'd better stop it now... my -02R is starting to boing and make that noise like a ruler on the edge of a table. zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Dec 1, 2014 1:53:47 GMT -5
Mine stands still its just they are bouncy,TMZ can explain it better,they are all that way.They are not firm tight joints like Mazinger because those stupid spring wings in the legs.. Hold yours still,bend teh body back and forth see how it moves,the play do to the spring mechanism?shouldnt do that,Mazinger doesnt,its how they made 02R its stupid. I see what you mean. I'm doing that right now, holding the feet firm on my desk surface and letting Grt Maz spring back-n-forth... kind of an almost 'bouncy' action going on there, I can feel the spring tension in the ankles... like "Boing!" I'd better stop it now... my -02R is starting to boing and make that noise like a ruler on the edge of a table. zozo-mag see thats what i mean,not good,not firm.Why not just use plug in fins,pop out spring fins are exciting if your seven,but at 41 I think I can plug them in,if it means a tighter joint.
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Post by magengar on Dec 1, 2014 3:05:02 GMT -5
I see what you mean. I'm doing that right now, holding the feet firm on my desk surface and letting Grt Maz spring back-n-forth... kind of an almost 'bouncy' action going on there, I can feel the spring tension in the ankles... like "Boing!" I'd better stop it now... my -02R is starting to boing and make that noise like a ruler on the edge of a table. zozo-mag see thats what i mean,not good,not firm.Why not just use plug in fins,pop out spring fins are exciting if your seven,but at 41 I think I can plug them in,if it means a tighter joint. The 02R thinks it's a Street Shark. zozo-mag
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Post by mrclean08 on Dec 1, 2014 5:53:55 GMT -5
Okay, so I tried watching the Voltes V series again. Each time that I do, I get disappointed. Bad plot, horrible dialogue, not so good animation, etc.... In short, these shows I own (Mazinger, Daimos, etc...) do not live up to my childhood memories. I know, that is impossible to recreate but some TV shows and movies do hold up in time. On the other hand, the SOCs retain and in many ways, enhance my love for these series. Do you guys feel the same? If you go back and watch most of the vintage cartoons we grew up with, they are all pretty bad from an adult's point of view. But let's remember, most of these weren't written to have complex storylines for adults. Whether you are watching Mazinger, Voltes, Daimos or you are watching Transformers, G.I. Joe, He-Man, or Voltron, they are all bad if you are going to compare them to your adult point of view. But for a young kid whether in 1974 or 2014, these shows still garner fun and enjoyment because their expectation is not as high as an adult's. I try to collect all the associated animated series to all the SOC's or vintage gokin I own. I do it because I want a deeper understanding of the origin of the robot and I take all vintage storylines with a grain of salt as purely entertainment value and old school eye candy. But judging the plot and animation quality to 30 year old shows based on your understanding of the world as an adult is really pointless. I used to do it and found myself alienating myself from too many things with this type of point of view. But then I realized to just have FUN with it and be more open minded that these shows are 30 minute toy commercials for KIDS and nothing more. This still happens today with 2.5 hour toy commercials for KIDS with transformers and big explosions from Michael Bay. Not much has changed. Just have fun and enjoy it for what it's worth. And I don't mean this in any bad way, but you're just going to end up disliking a lot (and shortchanging yourself) with that mentality.
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Post by treatment on Dec 3, 2014 0:37:30 GMT -5
You know what? Although we have the SRC version, I STILL want Bandai to make a Soul of Chogokin Dai Guard. Just coz the anime is friggin' still awesome to this day. In both japanese _and_ english dubs! SOC DaiGuard will just be SO BADASS!!! C'mon, Bandai. MAKE IT HAPPEN!
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Post by magengar on Dec 4, 2014 4:10:49 GMT -5
I see what you mean. I'm doing that right now, holding the feet firm on my desk surface and letting Grt Maz spring back-n-forth... kind of an almost 'bouncy' action going on there, I can feel the spring tension in the ankles... like "Boing!" I'd better stop it now... my -02R is starting to boing and make that noise like a ruler on the edge of a table. zozo-mag see thats what i mean,not good,not firm.Why not just use plug in fins,pop out spring fins are exciting if your seven,but at 41 I think I can plug them in,if it means a tighter joint. Baron..... I know your Detolf cases are solid. Has any of your SOCs tipped over without anything causing them to tip over? Just curious, perhaps this re-usable tacky " Museum Gel" might help..... www.hlj.com/product/YLSPPC-K32/Sup--------- Okay, back on topic. zozo-mag
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Post by mazingetter on Dec 5, 2014 7:36:01 GMT -5
I've yet to get bored while marathoning a "super robot" show. I got bored watching some "real robot" shows, though. Ryoma is a terrifying bully, and that Hayato is an environmentalist with homicidal tendencies (?) yeah, not your average "heroes" Manga Ryoma isn't a bully. He's just very violent when he fights seriously. He's kinda like an old school martial artist who relishes combat with strong opponents. Manga Hayato, on the other hand, is more of a psychopath. He was shown to be cruel and sadistic towards weak people. However, his psychopathic tendencies can be held in check when he becomes very interested in something like the mystery of the Getter rays.
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Dec 5, 2014 7:54:39 GMT -5
I've yet to get bored while marathoning a "super robot" show. I got bored watching some "real robot" shows, though. Ryoma is a terrifying bully, and that Hayato is an environmentalist with homicidal tendencies (?) yeah, not your average "heroes" Manga Ryoma isn't a bully. He's just very violent when he fights seriously. He's kinda like an old school martial artist who relishes combat with strong opponents. Manga Hayato, on the other hand, is more of a psychopath. He was shown to be cruel and sadistic towards weak people. However, his psychopathic tendencies can be held in check when he becomes very interested in something like the mystery of the Getter rays. Thanks for the correction Mazingetter I haven't read the manga yet, I just know the basic differences that the characters have between anime and manga. By the way, those are quite interesting traits if you ask me. Nevermind Ryoma, which based on your description reminds me of Akira Fudo (protagonist of the manga Devilman): not a bully, but one who enjoys a good fight whenever there's the chance. But Hayato behaving like a psycho? That's interesting. You don't see something like it that often in a main character...
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Post by faelon on May 7, 2015 15:57:27 GMT -5
You know what? Although we have the SRC version, I STILL want Bandai to make a Soul of Chogokin Dai Guard. Just coz the anime is friggin' still awesome to this day. In both japanese _and_ english dubs! SOC DaiGuard will just be SO BADASS!!! C'mon, Bandai. MAKE IT HAPPEN! I'll second this sentiment. It's just such a wonderfully different show. And one of the few more modern ones that I like consistently. As as for the original question of the thread, I find my tastes change and evolve over time. Some stuff I enjoyed as a kid doesn't hold up on rewatching it 30 or 40 years later. Some stuff is better than I remember. And some it largely depends on my mood. But yeah I find it near impossible to marathon any of the old school stuff without getting bored these days. 2 episodes per sitting. Otherwise you start to realize how alike they all were. I also find I enjoy them most when I am in a mood to view them in context, and not looking for a modern deep drama.
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