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Post by tnaclin on Sept 9, 2005 10:12:15 GMT -5
Would you spend a thousand dollars on an old Voltes or four new Voltes? My money goes to the new Voltes. I find SOC lines are whole lot more attractive than those vintage ones ....
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Post by mazfan on Sept 9, 2005 10:16:40 GMT -5
No question... The new SOC Voltes V. I find the old one clunky looking. I feel the same about the older, non-SOC robots as well.
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Post by Kidchuckle on Sept 9, 2005 11:12:07 GMT -5
ah interesting question.. I guess for me its all a matter of what you grew up with. Like Voltron.. for me I was around when Voltron was huge! and I adore the orginal lionbot.. so the new version is only ok. I just really like the gimmicks on the old one. But If I were a new collector to Voltron I'd probably pick up the newer one cause of esthetics. But I usually would go for Price.. over anything for me. so I would tend to lean to New.
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Post by Chen on Sept 9, 2005 11:24:53 GMT -5
What if the old and new versions were the same price, would you pick cartoon accurate design over huge diecast and gimmicks.
Oh, and I would pick the new Voltes no matter the price just because it's more show accurate.
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Post by Omni Existence on Sept 9, 2005 11:30:18 GMT -5
I'd go for the new one, hands down.
I have love for the old Godaikin, but like I said in previous threads, I'm all about the aesthetics now. Nostalgia for old school toys doesn't really play any part in my toy collecting principles now.
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Post by 00silvergt on Sept 9, 2005 11:46:39 GMT -5
I already have the old one, and to say the least, it has left me feeling let down. Much of it needs to be improved and hopefully the SOC version will leave more to be desired.
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Post by cybermuton on Sept 9, 2005 11:51:12 GMT -5
I'm for old.
Would I buy a '65 Pontiac GTO or an '05 GTO. The '05 is hugely more capable, but I'd go for the '65 in a heartbeat.
Something to do with originality and heritage, I think.
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Post by Chen on Sept 9, 2005 12:30:09 GMT -5
Good analogy, there's something about the old Muscle cars that new cars can't match. Probably the sound and swagger and just pure honesty of what it is. These are great cars IF you know what you getting, these things handle like buses and stop like boats and they will never have the reliability or comfort of new cars. Old toys are like that, honest in what they are and don't care in what they aren't, there great toys if you know what your getting.
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Post by 00silvergt on Sept 9, 2005 12:33:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that's a fair or equal analogy...1965 GTO had/has personailty. Known as the "goat" to many enthusiast and considered "The muscle car" of the day that's with stiff competition with the Chevelle SS and the Mustangs, etc...
That car has soul.... the new GTO looks like a mass produced fiberglass vehicle that has all the right specs without much personality...
The SOC Voltes V has a lot to offer the collector, it is anime accurate, is fabled to include many of Voltes V's weapons and very aesthetically pleasing...much personality.
The older one was a toy designed, built and marketed for younger, Japanese boys (using terms loosely, please grant latitude). It is heavy, metal and has crap shooting out of it from many orfices...and a child-size top to boot. Also has personality.
This debate is a matter of price and accuracy...$1000 on an older, less show accurate, but more fun and more of a play thing or an accurate, detailed display, considerably cheaper adult piece. As many have touched on, nostalgia would be the number one reason to pick up the old one for its true value would be to remember or to wish that you were once again a kid with that huge box and huge toy made out of metal! I can see the GTO analogy here, it is a huge metal "toy" with gadgets (slapstick tranny is super cool!).
But in the new SOC is where the analogy somewhat falls a part. The new Voltes V is a masterpiece, a display piece that accurately and honestly represents the old show. In its own way it will spark up its own sense of nostalgia, but this time, it is the remembrance of the anime and the moments of fun as a child watching the show. Or it makes for an excellent display piece! I wouldn't say the '05 GTO is a great display piece...;D
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Post by Chen on Sept 9, 2005 12:49:40 GMT -5
That's what I meant the old Cars and toys had character which was either due to design defects /deficiencies or just the level technology of the time. The new Voltes will be probably be pretty much perfect and look exactly like the show but will it have soul or character, can a toy be so perfect that it's characterless. I always believed it's the deficiencies or quirks that gives a toy character and we'll see if the new Voltes will be a beloved toy or a toy you admire.
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Post by lawlacan on Sept 9, 2005 12:57:34 GMT -5
In my opinion..buy 1 of each. 1 vintage and 1 new, in that way you have both toys. Even if you only have a $1000 you can have both of them if you like. You don't need to buy a min vintage Voltes, at least for me, as long as it scratches the itch then I am happy. ;D
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Post by 00silvergt on Sept 9, 2005 13:59:49 GMT -5
In my opinion..buy 1 of each. 1 vintage and 1 new, in that way you have both toys. Even if you only have a $1000 you can have both of them if you like. You don't need to buy a min vintage Voltes, at least for me, as long as it scratches the itch then I am happy. ;D Um...ok Lawlacan...as long as it scratches the itch! LOL Anyway, Chen, I agree that the flaws do create the personality, but it was also the feelings, pride, the era all together. I don't think that one can pin point what it is exactly that makes a '57 Belair or a '65 GTO or whatever a classic it is. Most likely it is different to each individual, could it be that is where you found your first love? Or did daddy have one when you were a kid and we would let you help him work on it? Or is it that it simply looks like something that came from an era of rebellion and freedom and pride, an oh the fact that gas was less than .50 a gallon... But the new one has all the muscle, without the class, it has the grit but no style...but from everything we have seen of GX-30 it looks like they got it right as Bandai have with most of their other entries...it is the toy we wanted when the Godaikin came out...or is it because it is Voltes V? LOL ;D
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Post by xiombarg on Sept 9, 2005 14:42:17 GMT -5
New. How can you argue against upgraded articulation and anime accuracy. More metal is nice, but the whole Frankenstein poseability just doesn't cut it for me if you have another option.
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Post by demizer on Sept 9, 2005 15:08:27 GMT -5
I've got the original & you cant beat the quirkiness of the older stuff,But the new soc's have got a great asthetic to them.So I'll just get the V5.gashapon which i understand is pretty nice.By the way does anyone know the height on it?The non posability of the godaikins is a good point,Frankensteinian is a good description.Kind of like icons in a church.The car analogy is on point my first & only car was a 74mustangIIghia.Odd little thing & not excactly a muscle car,but the b*tch had charecter,kind of like the O,G's.and ya can't beat that.
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Post by 00silvergt on Sept 9, 2005 16:18:16 GMT -5
If memory serves, the Gasha is more like the Godaikin, but smaller...so forgive me, but how would this be in lieu of the SOC?
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Post by cybermuton on Sept 9, 2005 16:30:16 GMT -5
The car analogy was never meant to be accurate! I was just saying that anyone can build anything 'better' given contemporary technology. A new G Shock is a far better timepiece than a '50s Patek, but which would you want? Of course, it gets into the whole 'antique' thing, and if I could define what it was that made people pay thousands for an old chair, I'd be doing something other than replying to RJ posts As and aside - re the 'faithful to the original' argument...if I remember rightly, the old Goat was advertised and named as a riposte to the Ferrari 250 (and maybe 330) GTO - the ad copy went 'GTO in Italy stands for Gran Turismo Omologato - the way we say it is easier, and about 5000 bucks cheaper' (or words to that effect). Then GM just hot rodded a contemporary Belvedere or whatever to produce the Poncho. Now as far as remaining faithful to the original, the '05 GTO has actually got more in common with the profile of the original Ferrari than the '65 ever had! Whatever., my Popy VV gets dragged out of the burning house before the SOC one.
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Post by xiombarg on Sept 9, 2005 16:54:17 GMT -5
A new G Shock is a far better timepiece than a '50s Patek, but which would you want? You take the Patek and sell it. Forget the G Shock. Then you buy a Seiko Arctura, the entire line of SOCs, and Popy originals until you make up your mind which is better!
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Post by Chen on Sept 9, 2005 16:54:47 GMT -5
Nah your car analogy is fine, it doesn't matter what your collecting be it watches, paintings, rifles or beer cans the whole old school vs new school will rage forever. Can something new and arguably better give you the same feeling as something that has nostalgia and history? I guess it depends on the collector.
Off Topic-Also do you remember the Car & Driver test when they tested the Ferrari GTO against a Pontiac GTO. There was more special effects and story telling in that article than the Lord of the Rings movies. Besides if GM wanted a true heir to the GTO they should stick a LS1 in a G6 and then make it rear drive instead of giving us some Aussie Holden.
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Post by demizer on Sept 9, 2005 21:16:59 GMT -5
youre right I had the commbattra gashapon registerd in my mind for some reason.I sometimes confuse the two characters.I think you get the black & colored versions in the set.It looks pretty tall,but photos can be deceiving.DOES ANYBODYKNOW the height of the commbattler gashapon.
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Post by demizer on Sept 9, 2005 21:20:42 GMT -5
If memory serves, the Gasha is more like the Godaikin, but smaller...so forgive me, but how would this be in lieu of the SOC?
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