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Post by megatroptimus on Oct 5, 2008 17:57:30 GMT -5
Are we talking about engineering flaws or quality control? Those are 2 different things. Parts rubbing against each other and causing scratches is an engineering flaw (unless the designers didn't care). Poorly applied or missing paint applications or random scratches on non-moving parts or parts that don't interact with other parts would be bad QC.
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Post by temujen on Oct 5, 2008 19:01:26 GMT -5
Here is a stupid question, but with all the scratch posts I have to know... if I just leave Daimos in robot form are there any scratches out of the box or do they just happen when you transform it?
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Post by pchin on Oct 5, 2008 20:00:04 GMT -5
Great review Gold! I just hate those scratches! Guess I'll just leave it in robot mode for the time being.  |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Oct 5, 2008 22:34:22 GMT -5
Well, it is a great way to force collectors into buying two sets: One for DAIMOS and one for the TRANZER.
Anyway, anyone heard anything from Betatoys yet???
}D
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Post by Gold on Oct 6, 2008 1:01:53 GMT -5
Whoa, great photo shop skills on that recolored Daimos. Nice.  Thanks Roboto. Megaoptimus, it's a mix of both, the problems I noted are from an engineering flaw. The space is just too tight in some spots when transforming Daimos. The other problem is the one Roboto mentioned. Though I didn't have major problem with mine except for that scratch on the inner left shin cover (first scratch pic). Here is a stupid question, but with all the scratch posts I have to know... if I just leave Daimos in robot form are there any scratches out of the box or do they just happen when you transform it? Aside from the scratch on the inner left shin on my unit (first scratch pic), there aren't any other visible scratches on Daimos prior to transforming it. I'm not sure if I just got lucky or the fellow Roboto mentioned really has bad luck when it comes to SOCs? Thanks Pchin. Gold |
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Post by megatroptimus on Oct 6, 2008 9:27:56 GMT -5
Well, it is a great way to force collectors into buying two sets: One for DAIMOS and one for the TRANZER. }D No one is forcing you to buy 2. Toys are meant to be played with, not to be stared at or left in a box. |
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Post by KingboyD on Oct 6, 2008 10:17:33 GMT -5
Oh man, I really like that photoshopped recolor much better than the real deal. Guess I'm just a huge fan of the old school Popy version.
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Post by mazingazeto on Oct 6, 2008 12:09:03 GMT -5
Well, it is a great way to force collectors into buying two sets: One for DAIMOS and one for the TRANZER. }D No one is forcing you to buy 2. Toys are meant to be played with, not to be stared at or left in a box. Here we go again...  You must be confusing this Daimos with its POPY/GODAIKIN counterpart. Those were toys... rugged, heavy, tough - designed to be played with. They were on the expensive side, but were still toys. Now, at over $140 USD a piece, I hardly consider the SOC Daimos a "toy". It is too fragile for actual play, it is more of a collectible figure. A brand new collectible figure should be damn near perfect, and the collectors more times than none, would like to keep it that way. So, what happens when it is absolutely impossible to do, due to engineering flaws??? The collectors are forced to buy several sets to be able to display them in all modes without damaging the figure too much. That is called "forcing to buy multiple sets". ;D I personally will only get one set because DAIMOS is not my favorite mecha, but the story would be different if it was my favorite.  |
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Post by megatroptimus on Oct 6, 2008 12:23:06 GMT -5
I don't think Bandai would waste its time designing complex transforming figures only so people can display them and never touch them again. That'd be a waste of their time and your money. You guys are just expecting the wrong things from that line. What you want are statues. Maybe Bandai could create a separate line of super highly show accurate statues? SOC for people who like to play with high-end stuff, statues for people who only care about display. Or something like Yamato's like of non-transforming action figures.
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Post by jrcrunch on Oct 6, 2008 13:04:51 GMT -5
the photoshopped version looks Evil!!!! IMO hehehe
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Post by mazingazeto on Oct 6, 2008 13:46:19 GMT -5
I don't think Bandai would waste its time designing complex transforming figures only so people can display them and never touch them again. That'd be a waste of their time and your money. You guys are just expecting the wrong things from that line. What you want are statues. Maybe Bandai could create a separate line of super highly show accurate statues? SOC for people who like to play with high-end stuff, statues for people who only care about display. Or something like Yamato's like of non-transforming action figures. Ever occurred to you why there is a STAND included with almost every Bandai SOC figure???  They are collectibles, not toys. Yes, Bandai does make them that complex in order to attract collectors attention to their figures (people like you... or me). However, these SOCs are clearly not for playing - they are meant to be displayed. If your definition of playing is "transforming" the figure, then I can see your point - sort of. However, my definition of playing is something a kid will do with, lets say, Power Ranger figures. There are some collectors in this forum that have allowed their kids to play with their SOCs with terrible results.  And please, you can't compare a Statue to a collectible figure... so let's not even go there. |
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Post by lancerx on Oct 6, 2008 13:56:49 GMT -5
Has anybody gotten their SOC Daimos orders from toy-wave here in the US? I'm still waiting for mine. I asked Ken yesterday and told me to wait until mid october, damm!! i bought kotetsu Shin jeeg and daimos as a one package and i have to wait. |
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Post by Dead-Man on Oct 6, 2008 14:05:10 GMT -5
Has anybody gotten their SOC Daimos orders from toy-wave here in the US? I'm still waiting for mine. I asked Ken yesterday and told me to wait until mid october, damm!! i bought kotetsu Shin jeeg and daimos as a one package and i have to wait. when you ordered 2 figures in 1 package did it save on shipping cost? but hey mid-oct is next week lol. not long to go |
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Post by quinjester on Oct 6, 2008 15:45:13 GMT -5
I think the beauty of SOCs is that they can be both display pieces AND toys. If Bandai didn't want people to play with SOCs they wouldn't give them things like firing fists or transformations.
And if my Iron Gear isn't designed to be as playable or as rugged as a Popy toy, I don't know what is.
No word from Andy at B.toys on my Daimos yet, but I'm not itching too much. I'll enjoy it when it gets here.
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Post by Chen on Oct 6, 2008 16:04:43 GMT -5
Okay, before this goes to far SOC's are both toys AND collectibles and what you do with them is your own business and NOBODY else's.
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Post by mazingazeto on Oct 6, 2008 16:05:20 GMT -5
Hmmm... on one side IRONGEAR, on the other side REIDEEN. One can be used as a sledge hammer, and the other starts falling appart when stared at for more than 4 seconds. Nah, most of the SOCs are not designed for play. Here is a "two-pronged" question that will establish my point:
Considering that you don't have money to burn; would you be willing to pay over $140 USD plus shipping for an action figure??? AND, will you turn around and give it to your 9 year old kid so he could take it and go play with his friends???
That is what I am talking about when I say PLAY. Transforming it back and forth and posing it is not really playing with it... unless you have your other figures out and you are shooting missiles and fists at each other. Then you may have some problems... unless you are 9 years old.
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Post by Chen on Oct 6, 2008 16:10:16 GMT -5
Please, let's get back on topic.
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Post by mazingazeto on Oct 6, 2008 16:13:26 GMT -5
Yes, lets get back to the collectible figure which is the SOC DAIMOS.
So, quinjester, you haven't heard from Andy either? Did you e-mail him? I did last week but no reply yet...
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Post by Omni Existence on Oct 6, 2008 16:39:19 GMT -5
It's the old "I say po-TAY-to, you say po-TAH-to" discussion.
Me thinks it's a good discussion point on whether or not these high end... uh... "things" can be considered as "toys" that can be played with with a little bit of abuse, or if they're "collectibles" which can only be stuck on a shelf to be drooled at.
Just make sure it stays just that-a DISCUSSION, and no WEDGIES and calling the other URKEL.
Personally, it always comes down to whatever floats your boat.
I know people WITHOUT that much money to burn, but still play with their SOC's (ya know... fly it around, make exploding noises, and such...) with a little abuse, and not just transforming and posing mind you-AND- I also know people who have more money than the GAWD (multiple toys, repaints, limited editions, the whole shebang), but still keep their "collectibles" in a glass coffin and gawk at it all day.
So it's not really a question of whether you got money to burn or not, if it's a "toy" or "collectible" but HOW you really enjoy the fool thing.
Now as far as QC issues... yeah, Daimos probably has one of the worst in terms of paint scratches and design flaws based on posts from other sites, and they all point to the same areas that were mentioned here.
I'll probably still buy it, but keep it in Tranzer mode.
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Post by eriku on Oct 6, 2008 17:00:57 GMT -5
After playing with him for a few days I have to say Daimos is my favorite transforming toy to come out so far this year. I would have loved this thing as a kid, I wish I could go back in a time machine and give one to the ten-year-old me. Thing would have gotten more attention from me back then than almost anything else I had. I would have probably stuck a Autobot sticker on him though, I did that with every non-transformers robot I had.  |
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