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Post by Gettershadow on Aug 22, 2014 9:40:37 GMT -5
this release looks great ! but pricy ! more accesories like some efects and stands would justify the high price tag but as it is advertised it looks like there is no accesories at all! Gattiger didn't have anything in the movie, he didn't even shoot anything, he just jumped out and started wrestling the bad guys. The Flying tiger shot out some needles, some rays, the blades came out, that's it. He comes with some parts to do about 3-4 variations of docking with the Tiger and a secret bonus item. You keep saying "high price tag".. I don't get it. Anything like this under 200 USD is considered cheap now.. that was one thing that HLpro observed at the Toy Show, the Japanese fans and dealers could not believe the low price for the figure they were looking at... that is why they are selling out right now. You gotta remember that this thing is only a bit more than the MT01 Deluxe kit with spazer and that kit was made quite a while ago during a different time...and this Gattiger kit is like buying a Gin Gin and a Spazer. The price is very "right" for two figures with a lot of die cast and the same size as a lot of the SOCs. Also, seems that most guys are focusing on the Roboizer part of the kit.. for me, the main attraction is the Flying Tiger. If you watch the movie, the Tiger was the main weapon, it did most of the fighting in the movie, and that Tiger is "spot on" with this kit, it looks fantastic. |
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Post by surlyj on Aug 22, 2014 11:54:58 GMT -5
Gin-Gin and Giru Giru are awesome figures. I wish they were just a little bigger, but they are great. Gin Gin is a particularly awesome figure and if not for the saw blades coming off the discs too easily, would be perfect apart from his being too tiny for my liking.
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 22, 2014 11:57:22 GMT -5
this release looks great ! but pricy ! more accesories like some efects and stands would justify the high price tag but as it is advertised it looks like there is no accesories at all! Gattiger didn't have anything in the movie, he didn't even shoot anything, he just jumped out and started wrestling the bad guys. The Flying tiger shot out some needles, some rays, the blades came out, that's it. He comes with some parts to do about 3-4 variations of docking with the Tiger and a secret bonus item. You keep saying "high price tag".. I don't get it. Anything like this under 200 USD is considered cheap now.. that was one thing that HLpro observed at the Toy Show, the Japanese fans and dealers could not believe the low price for the figure they were looking at... that is why they are selling out right now. You gotta remember that this thing is only a bit more than the MT01 Deluxe kit with spazer and that kit was made quite a while ago during a different time...and this Gattiger kit is like buying a Gin Gin and a Spazer. The price is very "right" for two figures with a lot of die cast and the same size as a lot of the SOCs. Also, seems that most guys are focusing on the Roboizer part of the kit.. for me, the main attraction is the Flying Tiger. If you watch the movie, the Tiger was the main weapon, it did most of the fighting in the movie, and that Tiger is "spot on" with this kit, it looks fantastic. Hey man , Don't take it personal ! this toy priced under 200 $ is not cheap at all ! it is A GREAT LOOKING TOY but very simple in engineering and the amount of Die Cast doesn't effect the price of the toy ! it is the number of molds that it takes to build it what really take the price up or down and that usually happen with complex combining toys with a lot of engineering. if this toy was priced in the 100 $ then it is cheap ! if it is priced around 130 $ then it is still cheap , 150 is really not cheap and even 200 is waaaay over priced. even if you want to compare it to the MT01 DX grendizer set it is still expensive ! grendy was barely priced 50 and the spazer another 50 (which was high by the way for such a simple kit ) so that leaves us with 100 $ ! now why would you ask for another 100$ ? while not all of collectors agree but lots of them do agree with me on this ! chen said it for example and I think TMZ as well so I am not alone in this! that is why I am saying add effects parts and stands to show the flying tiger in flying mode will not cost a lot and will take the play value way up ! maybe affects for the rays scene when the flying tiger shoot them! I don't know but be creative  |
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Post by surlyj on Aug 22, 2014 12:43:10 GMT -5
+1 on overpriced. $150 feels about the right price for this set and that's on the high end. Particularly since this is a very obscure character. I can't imagine the license cost much compared to other licenses like Grendizer.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Aug 22, 2014 12:57:01 GMT -5
Yeah, neither Gin-Gin or this Gattaiger are cheap. For example, the Aoshima Ankoku Daishogun and Mazinkaiser are about 90% diecast, are bigger than the average figure, come with some accessories (not many but some), and were priced around $130 upon release. The Gin-Gin as rare as it is, should've never been more than $70. The MT01has always been around $50, including the latest chrome version, and the Spacer set, which was priced for about $100 upon release, should've been around $70 as well. I don't know about the Gattaiger yet, but even with all the diecast in the ship, I don't think it should've been priced so high ($166 is the cheapest I've seen it - without shipping). I would have guessed no more than $130 for what I've seen. True,it is a super rare character in diecast action figure form, but damn! However, with all that said, this is the same thing Evolution Toy does, but their figures are 95% plastic. Their saving grace is that their sculpts are the best around, no questions asked.  }D |
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Post by surlyj on Aug 22, 2014 13:20:41 GMT -5
I think a lot of that price is because it is an obscure character that no matter how well done, will not generate a ton of sales worldwide like a grendizer would. Same for gin gin. The market is just smaller so in order to make it worthwhile the compensation is to raise the price. If you can't make money by selling a lot of units, you have to make more money off each unit.
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Post by Gettershadow on Aug 22, 2014 16:58:10 GMT -5
I think a lot of that price is because it is an obscure character that no matter how well done, will not generate a ton of sales worldwide like a grendizer would. Same for gin gin. The market is just smaller so in order to make it worthwhile the compensation is to raise the price. If you can't make money by selling a lot of units, you have to make more money off each unit. exactly, and it wouldn't surprise me if once those orders started rolling in, the stores raised the prices up a bit, you gotta remember that HLpro doesn't put the price on it, the retailer does. The retailer buys them in bulk and sells them for whatever he thinks he can sell them at. |
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Post by mpchi on Aug 22, 2014 19:53:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't say this release is cheap, but I think its decently fair for what it is, a smaller production from a small company that has simple toy engineering, but trying their best to make a good release. While a bit on the pricey side, I don't mind supporting such effort, hoping the final product really turn out as good as speculated. Looking at some prototype pics floating online, the Tiger saucer has a LOT of diecast. Both the top & bottom are diecast, with only the fins and small parts made of plastic. I think it weighted almost 700g just the saucer alone. Roboizer will probably add another 300-400g. This is a pretty heavy gokin set when you think about it!
A bit pricey, yes. But if the quality is there, its worth it. There are some deals folks pointed out earlier, so you should be able to get it shipped below $200 if you go for cheaper shipping in some places.
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 22, 2014 20:21:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't say this release is cheap, but I think its decently fair for what it is, a smaller production from a small company that has simple toy engineering, but trying their best to make a good release. While a bit on the pricey side, I don't mind supporting such effort, hoping the final product really turn out as good as speculated. Looking at some prototype pics floating online, the Tiger saucer has a LOT of diecast. Both the top & bottom are diecast, with only the fins and small parts made of plastic. I think it weighted almost 700g just the saucer alone. Roboizer will probably add another 300-400g. This is a pretty heavy gokin set when you think about it! A bit pricey, yes. But if the quality is there, its worth it. There are some deals folks pointed out earlier, so you should be able to get it shipped below $200 if you go for cheaper shipping in some places. the saucer was 500 grams and roboizer was 250 grams as I remember ... again it is not the Die cast material that makes something expensive , it is the number of molds that it takes to make the figure + the engineering + the licence for gin gin and giru giru and this roboizer the license is cheap ! take down the price a bit then more people will buy it and some will even buy double ! it looks nice , that is why I am saying that adding accessories and stands won't cost them a lot but it will a lot to buyers ! |
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Post by Gettershadow on Aug 22, 2014 21:03:52 GMT -5
I agree on the lack of a stand. I mentioned that. The response was, "we got ours sitting on a clear shot glass.. looks great." After he said that, I started thinking about it, you can get a shot glass or even a tall water glass to get him up high if you want. You just got to pick out the right glass for it.
When I first asked about price, they estimated around 150.. but you gotta remember, that retail price is on the seller and HLPRO is not the seller, they are the manufacturer. The manufacturer makes as many as the dealer orders and then the dealer sells them to the shops and they are the ones who set the price. The seller is going to sell it to match the demand he is seeing... and this thing is a fairly limited production piece. They thought the demand wouldn't be as big as it looks like it is right now. The "hey lets make a million of them and sell them cheap" idea just wasn't even being looked at. They got two color options both of them in fairly small numbers selling quickly.. I predict that HLpro is doing some soul-searching right now. "Make more or protect collectors value?" I vote, "protect collectors value" and move on to the next one.
oh , I forgot to mention to you new buyers.. and the other MT owners can back me up on this. HLPRO stands behind everything they make.. if a figure comes and there are any defects or damage, don't sweat it, just contact them on facebook via private message and they will take care of that for you.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Aug 22, 2014 22:44:44 GMT -5
Yes, HL Pro has the best customer service I've ever seen. If there is something wrong with one of their releases you aquire, just take a picture or two and send it to them. They will replace the item (if it's still being made). And it will be sent to you express mail too! Awesome, just AWESOME! }D |
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 22, 2014 23:26:29 GMT -5
Good to hear.
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Post by mpchi on Aug 23, 2014 1:21:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't say this release is cheap, but I think its decently fair for what it is, a smaller production from a small company that has simple toy engineering, but trying their best to make a good release. While a bit on the pricey side, I don't mind supporting such effort, hoping the final product really turn out as good as speculated. Looking at some prototype pics floating online, the Tiger saucer has a LOT of diecast. Both the top & bottom are diecast, with only the fins and small parts made of plastic. I think it weighted almost 700g just the saucer alone. Roboizer will probably add another 300-400g. This is a pretty heavy gokin set when you think about it! A bit pricey, yes. But if the quality is there, its worth it. There are some deals folks pointed out earlier, so you should be able to get it shipped below $200 if you go for cheaper shipping in some places. the saucer was 500 grams and roboizer was 250 grams as I remember ... again it is not the Die cast material that makes something expensive , it is the number of molds that it takes to make the figure + the engineering + the licence for gin gin and giru giru and this roboizer the license is cheap ! take down the price a bit then more people will buy it and some will even buy double ! it looks nice , that is why I am saying that adding accessories and stands won't cost them a lot but it will a lot to buyers ! Not sure if these have been post before since I am new to this thread. But they might give a better idea of diecast content & weight. And I think I am trying to point out that if there are more diecast, it is justified more for the higher price tag, not necessary from a production cost standpoint (though it does cost more with more metal), but from a collector standpoint, as it will be a more satisfying toy to collect. Otherwise, why would people constantly point out SRC lack diecast, even if they love the figure? And why would reviews constantly point out which parts are diecast and why would Gold try to weigh each major SOC release to make weight comparison? We all love diecast to an extent, so I applaud the effort HLPro try to put on Gattaiger. The high dose of diecast sure help ease the pain on my wallet quite a bit.      |
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Post by Gettershadow on Aug 23, 2014 10:35:31 GMT -5
Each of the manufacturers has its own brand identity and its own strategy. Bandai is all about articulation and technical excellence, Fewture is all about extreme interpretations of the character and die cast. HLPRO is doing whatever it can to not be Bandai or Fewture. They are going for a modern figure that has the classic charm of the old Popy figures, but less toy-like and more collector oriented. So, its kinda like they are trying to make the figure you wish you had back when you were a kid in the 1970s but was impossible with 70s technology. They just want to make a good looking, solid figure that has a level of "honesty" to it, they aren't going to try to get the figure to be something that it isn't. HLPRO's main weapon so far has been "Charm".. you look at it and you get a emotional reaction. Its not about technical specifications it about emotion.. that's what they are selling, EMOTION.
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 23, 2014 13:16:22 GMT -5
still , very expensive for what it is !
simple toy design + small in scale + not too many mold pieces + cheap licence = cheap to mid range price product !! but this although people will buy it because it looks good and it is the only roboizer out there but that dosn't change the fact that it is super expensive for what it is ! heck it is costing close to the dairugar voltron which is heavier and more complicated and from a small new company !!
Just my 2 cents
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Post by goldorak on Aug 23, 2014 13:31:23 GMT -5
"Emotion" is not cheap ! ;-)
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Post by Gettershadow on Aug 23, 2014 13:43:55 GMT -5
small? Its bigger than my SOC Battle Fever.
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Post by Gettershadow on Aug 23, 2014 14:06:23 GMT -5
"Emotion" is not cheap ! ;-) Knock it off, you know what I mean.  |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 23, 2014 20:08:42 GMT -5
small? Its bigger than my SOC Battle Fever. But smaller than GX-01R mazinger z which is the standard ! and battle fever J is the smallest I think and was priced at 50 USD. This Roboizer looks great , looks like a jump in their products , But V- expensive for what it is. |
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Post by B- on Aug 23, 2014 21:17:21 GMT -5
Im HAPPY paying for any modern classic SR toy to add to my collection with a figure and a ship for under 200 with shipping,especially with the bright colors and paint quality HLPro has.But hell Im spending 400$ on an ET garage kit unpainted in resin just because of the character and sculpt.LOL.
Im not trying to disagree with anyone just my feelings,when is the last time anyone has honestly felt justified paying what we do for these ANY of these toys according to what is in the box?Some SOCs,yes,but rarely. I bet this thing is gonna be way nicer than the Grendy SRC with Spazer,and its gonna cost around the same in the end after getting both pieces,unless they do a deluxe set.
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