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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 15, 2014 10:02:08 GMT -5
Not really,I dont personally care if attracts anyone.And this isnt Mazinger Z,if there were pics of THIS particular robot with different color arms and legs elsewhere Id have no problem with it,but theyre arent.But thanks for pointing out the hands for me I appreciate that fully! np, had a bit of lag stuck posting and didnt see your post edited. true, is strange that they change the color and totally agree with you, but i guess since there not so many full body color images of him and they variate depending what cover is i guess they wanted to go more standard coloring? or Perhaps GoNagai told them to use that color scheme?. i think if Gettershadow could check with them and ask what is the reason behind the color pallet choice to clarifye any doubts and such, of course if he has the time. Ok an approved source on the HLPRO team was allowed to give you guys this message. I will cut and paste it here with a few things censored out for security reasons. "there are NO colored pictures of that scrander in the world... even at dynamic planning don t know which colors should it have. Only exist some previous kits and models made by other companies that just painted it gray. But it's only an interpretation by these companies, it's not a real or affordable reference what it matters is only dynamic planning words. we proposed this colors to dynamic and since there no define colors for that they just said "ok". and since Dynamic said they are ok, they are ok the mazinger color scheme.. the prototype showed it's a test for a classic malinger color scheme.. but about this it's up to the Boss. I did a model sheet using the manga as reference. There are 5 or 6 manga colored cover, often with different colors or shades on it!!! urgh! and i had to reference also with the black and white manga pages that are very important to understand the color scheme.. but also there, things change from page to page!!!! even the mecha is different in every page, many details continue to change for all the manga!! the only thing we could do is making a synthesis of all that and proposing a color scheme to dynamic planning" and they just said "they are ok". but the prototype showed is not the model sheet one, is a different version so, even at dynamic don t know how scrander colors are! there is no definitive scheme.." So that is your response. |
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Post by greengetterguy on Sept 15, 2014 11:36:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the trouble.
Man, Dynamic Planning approve pretty much anything and everything.....
They really need to tighten up on protecting their license better. Disney does wonderful job at this sort of thing.
They have strict model sheet you MUST go by. Any deviation from that would get the reject stamp..
Maybe it shouldnt be as strict, but Dynamic approved 3Hs Hipzinger and thats just to goes to show, They just really dont care.
Its kinda sad.
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 15, 2014 12:22:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the trouble. Man, Dynamic Planning approve pretty much anything and everything..... They really need to tighten up on protecting their license better. Disney does wonderful job at this sort of thing. They have strict model sheet you MUST go by. Any deviation from that would get the reject stamp.. Maybe it shouldnt be as strict, but Dynamic approved 3Hs Hipzinger and thats just to goes to show, They just really dont care. Its kinda sad. if Dynamic did that, about 99% of all figures would disappear, ha ha.. no "Fewture" no "Bandai" no nothing, every company out there has done their own "take" on all these characters over the years. It goes back to "That may not be Chris Reeves face on it but you know Superman when you see him.". In this case, Zmazinger was mostly drawn in Black and white.. and the color drawings on the Manga covers had variations that were open to interpretation. This caused all the other companies to do whatever they thought looked best at the time. I think the color scheme that HLPRO is going to put on the first version is good and has the added benefit of looking a bit like "Mazinger Z" at first glance. This could cause a lot of Mazinger Z fans to recognize who he is at first glance. You will see other colors of Zmazigner also.. if you don't like the color of this one and you don't think it will look good in your collection, don't buy him. Another version will come out, be sure of it. |
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Post by greengetterguy on Sept 15, 2014 13:40:03 GMT -5
Didnt think about that one.  And yes i def do want some exception like Fewture ones, but ONLY if theres already source correct fig done first. So i still wish the DP was bit more strict and have a guid in hand and go by that for majority of figs that wants to be a somewhat close to source material....wheather thats modern or orginal take on that character. Characters like Batman, ironman and Superman do have many many takes from movies, comics, and cartoons but figs should still follow that source material. Unless, that figure is intentionally and specifically going for completely original take on the character which majority figs are not after..... I still need a default consolidated color model sheet from the owners of the characters. That way at least there will be a less confusuion for both consumers and the companies when it comes to wanting a source referenced figure. When theres a figure thats not been made before or one thats being updated in decades where there was no source accurate fig due to whatever reasons, my guess is that most collectors want an original source accurate reference figure first and not a take on a figure before that. In the end i understand HLPro s. Position where they had to come to a middle ground because of the confusion of the source. So thats why we need a somekind of consolidated default model sheet done by the license owners....especially for the source based figs. And thats DPs job, which theyre not doing for whatever reasons... |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 15, 2014 16:02:07 GMT -5
Not really,I dont personally care if attracts anyone.And this isnt Mazinger Z,if there were pics of THIS particular robot with different color arms and legs elsewhere Id have no problem with it,but theyre arent.But thanks for pointing out the hands for me I appreciate that fully! Also in the cases of mazingers arms different colors,never saw that with theoriginal Mazinger,but I believe you,BUT everyone knows and accepts the true color blue. So, I did the ultimate test... I showed my wife , who also grew up during the 1970's Mazinger Z craze, the pictures of HLPro's painted Z Mazinger. She immediately said, "What happened to Mazinger Z? Is that an upgrade?". So there, Z Mazinger was immediately confused with Mazinger Z by someone who knows Mazinger Z from her childhood, but is not really a fan by any means. If that is what HLPro was banking on, it surely worked... The two heads are practically identical, so coloring it the same as the original Mazinger Z just makes it that much more "Mazinger Z". }| |
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Post by B- on Sept 15, 2014 18:16:19 GMT -5
Not really,I dont personally care if attracts anyone.And this isnt Mazinger Z,if there were pics of THIS particular robot with different color arms and legs elsewhere Id have no problem with it,but theyre arent.But thanks for pointing out the hands for me I appreciate that fully! Also in the cases of mazingers arms different colors,never saw that with theoriginal Mazinger,but I believe you,BUT everyone knows and accepts the true color blue. So, I did the ultimate test... I showed my wife , who also grew up during the 1970's Mazinger Z craze, the pictures of HLPro's painted Z Mazinger. She immediately said, "What happened to Mazinger Z? Is that an upgrade?". So there, Z Mazinger was immediately confused with Mazinger Z by someone who knows Mazinger Z from her childhood, but is not really a fan by any means. If that is what HLPro was banking on, it surely worked... The two heads are practically identical, so coloring it the same as the original Mazinger Z just makes it that much more "Mazinger Z". }| Im gonna go ahead and read into it a little further lets see,If HLProducts makes ZMazinger look MORE AND MORE like MazingerZ it will sell more!! Screw the original source!! So why dont they just can the ZMazinger toy and make MazingerZ if its so important to have him look like the more"popular" of the two. BTW Tom there is no one "glancing " at this toy..who ever wants this toy knows EXACTLY what it is,if they want a Mazinger z they will go buy the 400 other versions of him out there,so there is no point in making this toy look like all teh others to make it "more recognisable" or to make it sell,which in fact when you get down to brass tacks that is what its all about,NOT the fans,cuz you know what If we wanna talk fans,Ive exerted more energy on ZMazinger in the past week than anyone ever probably.So make it my way and those like me who care THIS much,not some Johnny Come Lately collector who glances at things. I figured the Scrander was never shown but it HAS an accepted color now in the culture DO to other companies,and out of need,grew those colors.Those should be the accepted colors IF there is no original source..Aliens are accepted as grey..even if the original source isnt 100% known know what Im saying?. |
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 15, 2014 21:19:35 GMT -5
I bet that sucker sells its ass off too...
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 15, 2014 21:32:33 GMT -5
I bet that sucker sells its ass off too... Of course! Just like Gin Gin did... when the "$81 dollar shipped" deep discount sale comes around.  }D |
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Post by greengetterguy on Sept 15, 2014 21:35:59 GMT -5
It will sell better then gettaiger imho. It should be a bonafide hit. Ill def get one if its priced nice  ? |
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 15, 2014 21:39:58 GMT -5
I think it will too.. the Far East is going to eat that up.
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Post by greengetterguy on Sept 15, 2014 21:41:32 GMT -5
Please let it be under $150 shipped though PLEASE!
Gin Gin was perfect at $87 shipped i paid.
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Post by B- on Sept 15, 2014 22:34:05 GMT -5
I think it will too.. the Far East is going to eat that up. "the Far East "lol Tom you are funny sometimes... I've only heard that term used in bad movies lol. |
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Post by B- on Sept 15, 2014 22:38:31 GMT -5
I bet that sucker sells its ass off too... why because with the wrong paint scheme people confuse it with Mazinger? |
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Post by B- on Sept 15, 2014 22:47:09 GMT -5
Anyhow when do you think we will be seeing Gattaiger Tom? Hasn't that month for paint QC business come and gone? Any of your "predictions"?
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 15, 2014 22:59:34 GMT -5
few days...
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Post by Gettershadow on Sept 15, 2014 23:00:00 GMT -5
I bet that sucker sells its ass off too... why because with the wrong paint scheme people confuse it with Mazinger? cause it looks good.. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 15, 2014 23:57:37 GMT -5
Hmmm... well, it doesn't look that good to folks that actually know who Z Mazinger is. The blue paint job on the limbs is definitely working against it. Imagine Gattaiger with yellow limbs. That's what it's exactly what's happening with the Z Mazinger right now.
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Post by droutmaster on Sept 16, 2014 1:28:30 GMT -5
Im gonna go ahead and read into it a little further lets see,If HLProducts makes ZMazinger look MORE AND MORE like MazingerZ it will sell more!! Screw the original source!! So why dont they just can the ZMazinger toy and make MazingerZ if its so important to have him look like the more"popular" of the two. BTW Tom there is no one "glancing " at this toy..who ever wants this toy knows EXACTLY what it is,if they want a Mazinger z they will go buy the 400 other versions of him out there,so there is no point in making this toy look like all teh others to make it "more recognisable" or to make it sell,which in fact when you get down to brass tacks that is what its all about,NOT the fans,cuz you know what If we wanna talk fans,Ive exerted more energy on ZMazinger in the past week than anyone ever probably.So make it my way and those like me who care THIS much,not some Johnny Come Lately collector who glances at things. I figured the Scrander was never shown but it HAS an accepted color now in the culture DO to other companies,and out of need,grew those colors.Those should be the accepted colors IF there is no original source..Aliens are accepted as grey..even if the original source isnt 100% known know what Im saying?. As Gettershadow posted (from what i gather), HLPro took in consideration of all different variations of Z-Mazinger's details and colors that they could find, the one we see is still a prototype for testing so its not approve as of yet. I mean even if they painted the arms and legs black he would just be Mazinger Z but Manga version colored instead, so there is no difference which version it gets painted since at the end it would be Mazinger Z colors either way. The Z-Scrander has never had a true accepted color, in fact there has never been an official color for the Scrander to begin with according to Dynamic. Just because one company paints it Silver as its interpretation does not make it the automatically official color. To be honest, i always thought the Z-Scrander colors was like pretty much the standard colors like Mazinger Z's Jet Scrander or Great Mazinger's Scramble Dash since after all his just another interpretation of Mazinger Z to begin with and since Dynamic never had an official color of the Z-Scrander at all then its open for interpretation by any company.As for the Alien analogy, not really, a lot of people picture them with different colors and patterns, not just simply grey. If we where to be discover by another raise or go to there home world we would be aliens for them and we do have colors. I find it interesting and yet unfair that you want the colors of the wings forcefully be the colors done by another company because of there interpretation and no one else is allow to do such change. Wouldn't at this point put HLPro into trouble for using (steal/copy) someones concept or interpretation of colors done by another company? they could get criticize for this. |
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Post by goldorak on Sept 16, 2014 3:02:52 GMT -5
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Post by B- on Sept 16, 2014 5:27:31 GMT -5
Im gonna go ahead and read into it a little further lets see,If HLProducts makes ZMazinger look MORE AND MORE like MazingerZ it will sell more!! Screw the original source!! So why dont they just can the ZMazinger toy and make MazingerZ if its so important to have him look like the more"popular" of the two. BTW Tom there is no one "glancing " at this toy..who ever wants this toy knows EXACTLY what it is,if they want a Mazinger z they will go buy the 400 other versions of him out there,so there is no point in making this toy look like all teh others to make it "more recognisable" or to make it sell,which in fact when you get down to brass tacks that is what its all about,NOT the fans,cuz you know what If we wanna talk fans,Ive exerted more energy on ZMazinger in the past week than anyone ever probably.So make it my way and those like me who care THIS much,not some Johnny Come Lately collector who glances at things. I figured the Scrander was never shown but it HAS an accepted color now in the culture DO to other companies,and out of need,grew those colors.Those should be the accepted colors IF there is no original source..Aliens are accepted as grey..even if the original source isnt 100% known know what Im saying?. As Gettershadow posted (from what i gather), HLPro took in consideration of all different variations of Z-Mazinger's details and colors that they could find, the one we see is still a prototype for testing so its not approve as of yet. I mean even if they painted the arms and legs black he would just be Mazinger Z but Manga version colored instead, so there is no difference which version it gets painted since at the end it would be Mazinger Z colors either way. No he wouldnt BE manga Mazinger Z?? his sculpt and body are compleetly different that makes no sense.LOL. I do see what you mean about teh scrander but the clors grew out of necessity and are in the media norm,its not as important as teh limbs and yes it is open to interpretation,but limbs are not. |
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