|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Sept 28, 2010 22:13:57 GMT -5
I WANT THIS TOY!!!!!!!!!!!  zozo-Magengar Haha! I saw this video last year...cool indeed. It says it was made by a Saudi fan just in 5 days! But I am not sure about the info legitimacy cuz I saw in the video some Asian bros and the location of the uploader says Iceland!  I see that brother magengar is becoming a Dizerist by time. Good, good. |
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Sept 28, 2010 22:35:01 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by magengar on Sept 29, 2010 11:16:49 GMT -5
WOW! A Mazinkaiser costume! I love how he rigged up the lighting effects and that Koji/cockpit assembly. Dude, That looks friggin GENIUS Thanks for showing!!! (ps: for future reference, fan creations like that can go in the Fan Art and Customs section. Actually, I shoulda placed that RC Spazer in that thread as well. LOL) zozo-Magengar |
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 1, 2010 22:33:41 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by TheMazingerZ on Oct 1, 2010 22:58:33 GMT -5
Those are awesome kits and figures by High-Dream! Thanks for sharing.
}D
|
|
|
|
Post by droutmaster on Oct 1, 2010 23:18:01 GMT -5
? why are they making a new head?
|
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 2, 2010 3:33:54 GMT -5
Those are awesome kits and figures by High-Dream! Thanks for sharing. }D You are welcome  ? why are they making a new head? ...Because many fans didn't like the first head, specially because of the banana-shaped horns (the face doesn't look like our Dizer from the anime). I don't find it ugly, but I find it a lil' bit different from our Dizer. It's a smart move from High Dream. Also, I heard that the dam will be completed in the future by the entire Space Research Center (separated set). |
|
|
|
Post by magengar on Oct 4, 2010 17:08:43 GMT -5
That new head on the HD Grendy figure sure looks a lot better than the first one... I really dig the fangs in this one, more sharp and more Grendy-true! Glad to see HD is still in the game. Heck, Every toy manufacturer deserves a fair shot... that also means more diversity and options for us collectors! zozo-Magengar |
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 4, 2010 18:44:27 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by magengar on Oct 5, 2010 19:12:16 GMT -5
 Well, Al be gassed***! Damn, this flick is gonna blow all that Mikey Bay crap outta the East River! (***no pun intended to voltron Albegas. LOL) zozo-Magengar
|
|
|
|
Post by Godaikin on Oct 5, 2010 20:42:05 GMT -5
Grendizer would be always my Top Pick |
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 6, 2010 20:42:16 GMT -5
I have been always thinking that Go Nagai should explain why the Mazins and UFO Robo Grendizer lookalike, while Dizer comes from another world! I heard 'bout the Sigma story, but frankly...it's unconvincing! So, I made those theories myself...Pick your fav. ;D LOL!  |
|
|
|
Post by droutmaster on Oct 6, 2010 23:46:35 GMT -5
neither of the 2 theory makes sense here. for both theories, recollecting the materials from all the planets in the universe is ridiculous and absurd. it would have taken them so much time that they would have been conquered by the vega army already making the creation of Grendizer or God Griffon never to be made not to mention that the Gren Alloy is found on planet Fleed to begin with which interesting enough it has the same property of Super Alloy Z in some books that are stating this.
-Theory 1-
- If the blueprints where left on earth then it would have been destroy overtime and would have been lost, unless that they got there like 2 days before Juzo would have found the japanium which is really hard to believe or was inside a special container that protected it, but it would have also made grendizer a prototype machine instead of God Griffon since they lost the blueprints so they needed to make a newer one.
- you are saying that Juzo found the blueprints of God Griffon when he discovered the Japanium therefore making the birth of Mazinger Z or Mazinkaiser (depending which story), but he could just made an actual God Griffon and not Mazinger Z at all to begin with.
- If Juzo would have indeed found the God Griffon blueprints it would have been the greatest discovery of all time(more than the Japanium) and which it proves that Aliens does exist, therefore he would study God Griffon's technology from the blueprints and perhaps improve upon it making the creation of Mazinger Z or a better God Griffon to prepare for a possible alien invasion that might occurred.
Theory 2
- the scientist of planet fleed couldn't have been on earth and see the Zeus mural and create God Griffon because the Zeus concept was use on the Shin Mazinger series which in that timeline Grendizer does not exist (not yet until GoNagai decides to make him or not).
- the mural that we know talks about giant soldiers that could shoot fire from there chest which Juzo use as base for the creation of Mazinger Z, Grendizer doesn't shoot fire from its chest to begin with which this give contradictions to Grendizer's creation and the people of fleed been on earth at all to get the japanium ore.
- If the people of planet fleed are peaceful to begin with, why they need to create Grendizer? even if it was been made to fight against the vegan army, surely they could just ,make a fleet of there own to fight them which making the creation of Grendizer not needed at all.
- Wasn't Grendizer created by the Vegan Army by using Fleed's technology and once it got completed the where gonna use it to conquer the Universe?(although really thats over exaggerated) at that moment Duke steals Grendizer and takes it to earth to hide it.
In my opinion there is gap that is not explain well. My real guess is that while the Vegan Army is conquering Planet Fleed they send some scouter's to search other planets with civilization so they could conquer it so they could expand and take there resources. At the same time After Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger defeated the Mikenie Empire, they decided to put both machines in the robot museum as a symbol of peace. Sometime pass and Koji goes again to the U.S. to keep studying about UFO, during that time there have been some UFOs sightings reports around the world specially on Japan been more frequent. My guess is that those UFO sightings could have been some Vegan Army scouter to see our world and one of them took pictures of the robot museum where both Mazingers where and perhaps search some background info on them (possibly he might thought it was some kind of statues that people go to see or something). Then it went and report to there leader Vega which perhaps they got the inspiration to create God Griffon or Grendizer (which ever the 2)so the project begins. A year pass and Grendizer is completed, when they where about to start possible a field test, but then Duke Fleed shows up on that moment, kick some ass and steals Grendizer from them and starts making his journey to Planet Earth which he somehow knows the way (perhaps he overheard the Vegans talking about it and knew where he needs to go). This for me explain how Grendizer has some similarities to the Mazingers, plus where Fleed needed to go and hide Grendizer. This is the time where Koji is on Japan for visiting and he spots a UFO flying on the sky which is Grendizer arriving on earth, this makes Koji more inspired to study more about the UFOs and at same time he starts the creation of the TFO. On the same night that Duke arrive on earth, Dr. Umon meets Duke and hears about his problem, which here is where Dr. Umon helps Duke and adopt him as his son to hide his identity plus he helps him hide Grendizer on his lab. finally 2 years pass completing the 2 years gap which Grendizer was hidden and Koji returns from the U.S. finishing studying about UFOs and the completion of his TFO where he was on his way to show it to Dr. Umon and which he meets his first close encounter with a UFO that was a Vega spaceship.
I guess we already know the rest from here on out. Anyway thats my opinion on the matter how Grendizer came to be. i don't go and try to fuse other story like the ones from Shin Mazinger because they put the mikenie empire as aliens and the old series states they where a civilization that went underground making them contradict to each other.
|
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 7, 2010 0:30:51 GMT -5
neither of the 2 theory makes sense here.  They make sense! Specially first one. for both theories, recollecting the materials from all the planets in the universe is ridiculous and absurd. it would have taken them so much time that they would have been conquered by the vega army already making the creation of Grendizer or God Griffon never to be made not to mention that the Gren Alloy is found on planet Fleed to begin with which has the same property of Super Alloy Z. They travel in FTL speed, and they didn't create God Griffon because of the Vegan invade! Grendizer resembles the God of War (not only the protector of Planet Fleed). So, if we'll take the God Griffon story; it makes sense that it was created before the Vegan invade! Even if you think the opposite, nothing is wrong to collect other materials and mix them with Space Alloy Gren wich is NOT like Super Alloy Z by the way Not at all! -Theory 1- - If the blueprints where left on earth then it would have been destroy overtime and would have been lost Ancient Egyptian papyrus did not ruin after thousands of years ;D I will stop by here. Theory 2 - the scientist of planet fleed couldn't have been on earth and see the Zeus mural and create God Griffon because the Zeus concept was use on the Shin Mazinger series which in that timeline Grendizer does not exist (not yet until GoNagai decides to make him or not). WHAT?!! If the Fleed dudes visit earth, what's wrong if they enter a cave by chance or view the earth history through some device or something and see Zeus drawings similar to the way Nagai drew it? It also has nothing with Shin Mazinger Z series...I am just saying "the way Go Nagai drew it". - Wasn't Grendizer created by the Vegan Army by using Fleed's technology and once it got completed the where gonna use it to conquer the Universe?(although really thats over exaggerated) at that moment Duke steals Grendizer and takes it to earth to hide it. This info is not 100% confirmed! It is mentioned that there was a mistake with the French translation for the anime. However, true or false...it has nothing to do with creating God Griffon earlier and being the link that connects the similarity of figures between the Mazins and Grendizer!  Here I wonder, why didn't they use God Griffon to stop the Vegan invasion? Hmmm! After Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger defeated the Mikenie Empire, they decided to put both machines in the robot museum as a symbol of peace. According to the chronological history of the Mazinger Trilogy. The King of Fleed ordered the construction of Grendizer in 1955 - the same year Duke was born - the same year Juzo Kabuto and Dr. Hell discovered Bardos Island and the Mycenaeans. Mazinger Z began construction in 1957. Great began construction in 1960. So, this strengthen (if not confirms) my guess that God Griffon and Grendizer were built before Mazinger Z. My very simple fan theory is just how I personally think it might be the reason for their image similarity, specially with the interesting story of God Griffon - who was featured as the Mazinger Spirit* later in one manga! *Notice the name Mazinger Spirit, it sounds as if it's the Godfather of the Mazins; the reason why they were created later. |
|
|
|
Post by droutmaster on Oct 7, 2010 2:19:20 GMT -5
They make sense! Specially first one. They travel in FTL speed, and they didn't create God Griffon because of the Vegan invade! Grendizer resembles the God of War (not only the protector of Planet Fleed). So, if we'll take the God Griffon story; it makes sense that it was created before the Vegan invade! Even if you think the opposite, nothing is wrong to collect other materials and mix them with Space Alloy Gren wich is NOT like Super Alloy Z by the way Not at all! it doesn't make sense even if they travel at the FTL, its still impossible for them to collect everything from each planet that the universe holds, it would be an extreme time consuming billions of years even causing the project of Grendizer never to be made or extend its creation way to far off to the point that the Vega invades fleed and earth and grendizer is still on the works while they are waiting for the materials. im sorry but even if it is a fiction thing its extremely hard to believe not to mention that the Space Alloy Gren can be found on there own planet, which makes the researching other materials from the universe kinda silly. Also as the Space Alloy Gren almost having the same property as the Super Alloy Z is true, GoNagai said it on an interview like 2 years ago that some guy tried to bring out the ultimate question who is the strongest with kaiser and shin getter (which he wants to keep it to himself for obvious reason), the only difference from both is how it gets refine, obviously Planet Fleed has better technology to do it. in some points it make sense, both material couldn't have been on each planet so perhaps they came from space, perhaps from a dying planet or sun. I know, but you can't possibly expect the Vega army had the same stuff that the Papyrus, we don't even know how there paper is made off. imagen if it where made space alloy gren extreme refine...OUCH lol the problem here is that there is no Zeus drawing, only giant soldiers that shoot fire from there chest on the timeline of mazinger Z with Grendizer, there is a big difference here. but if the people of Planet fleed where making Grendizer then they are not peaceful people that Duke makes it believe or GoNagai makes it believe. i have to question this chronological timeline, never heard of this nor any mention whatsoever of Duke's real father. So explain this to me, i found a bio info that says the Vegan army did Grendizer not planet fleed, the japanese version btw. "The Vega homeworld is becoming unstable due to the exploiting of Vegatron, a powerful radioactive ore. Seeking to expand his militaristic empire and find a substitute planet to settle upon, the ruthless King Vega unleashes his armies - composed of flying saucers and giant robotic monsters - and turns first against neighbors such as Fleed, a highly advanced but peaceful world. In a tragically ironic twist, the invaders' blitzkrieg turns against them: the once verdant, idyllic Fleed is turned into a radioactive wasteland. Too late, the only known survivor of the royal family, Prince Duke Fleed, manages to steal the Grendizer, a war robot able to combine with a saucer-ship, Spazer, and is equipped with the most powerful and advanced engine designed by the Vegan forces, which was used in spearheading the assault on Fleed." www.grendizer.co.uk/goldrake/pagine/sito/grendizerstory.htmlIf thats the case then mazinger z would have been perhaps in the process of been created. however the only time line we are missing is when did the invasion occurred. for me the mazinger spirit manga i understand if Koji and tetsuya wanted to make another mazinger for possible new enemies encounter although i don't really know against how... my best bet of all of how they look alike is just that it was all a coincidence. But all aside, God Griffon would have been awesome to have him as a SOC figure or SR figure XD. |
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 7, 2010 3:39:12 GMT -5
They make sense! Specially first one. They travel in FTL speed, and they didn't create God Griffon because of the Vegan invade! Grendizer resembles the God of War (not only the protector of Planet Fleed). So, if we'll take the God Griffon story; it makes sense that it was created before the Vegan invade! Even if you think the opposite, nothing is wrong to collect other materials and mix them with Space Alloy Gren which is NOT like Super Alloy Z by the way Not at all! it doesn't make sense I am sorry that you can't find it making sense cuz it makes sense cuz I don't write crazy stuff! If you don't like the idea cuz you have a different thought in your mind (which sounds so poor to me), that's another issue but please just don't say it "doesn't make sense" cuz it sounds you are saying "white color is black" on public! even if they travel at the FTL, its still impossible for them to collect everything from each planet that the universe holds Our Solar system has 9 planets, let's imagine there are North & South directions only...would 18 planets be satisfying for you? Man, don't take my theory verbally for each word as it is...use your imagination. consuming billions of years even causing the project of Grendizer If the time factor concerns you...could you please forget about Grendizer and think about God Griffon then? Duke Fleed was surprised to see how God Griffon looks like the Mazins! So, as the Mazins were created for sure after God Griffon; it's logic that perhaps Prof. J. Kabuto was inspired by God Griffon to create Mazinger Z, followed by Great Mazinger. I know, but you can't possibly expect the Vega army had the same stuff that the Papyrus, we don't even know how there paper is made off. imagen if it where made space alloy gren extreme refine...OUCH lol So, you didn't even get the idea when I said Egyptian papyrus remains? I meant there are MANY materials in the universe that can resist the time factor...wouldn't it be found on an advanced planet as Fleed?!! Again, please use your imagination. the problem here is that there is no Zeus drawing, only giant soldiers that shoot fire from there chest on the timeline of mazinger Z with Grendizer, there is a big difference here. Don't be upset, in the creation of my theory in the next Mazinger Bible, I will ask them to draw some Zues paintings on the walls of caves next to the chest fire guys! Oh, and in case you didn't notice that means they will draw Zues with the 2 spikes like those on Mazinger Z's head! That's how Go Nagai portrayed Zues...like Mazinger Z! (This goes for Theory #2). i have to question this chronological timeline, never heard of this nor any mention whatsoever of Duke's real father. So explain this to me, i found a bio info that says the Vegan army did Grendizer not planet fleed, the japanese version btw my best bet of all of how they look alike is just that it was all a coincidence. But all aside, God Griffon would have been awesome to have him as a SOC figure or SR figure XD. Chronological timeline www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~zgd/Lecture/AChronologicalTableOfMazingerHistory.htmI told you it's not confirmed who built Grendizer. Italians, French and Arabs modify the Japanese Wikipedia if that's your info source! So, if it's right or wrong...it wouldn't make a difference cuz it was the blueprints what matters not who build it. Coincidence? OK!  FYI: New Chogokin Z (armor of Great Mazinger) cannot stand Vegan Beam! See what happened to Drill Spazer, which is also made of New Chogokin Z! Grendizer (Space Alloy Gren) takes loads of this and doesn't damage. Oh, BTW... when I say Space Alloy Gren, doesn't the word space gives my theory about the Gren alloy SENSE?!! They didn't name it Chogokin Gren or Fleed Alloy Gren! "SPACE" works perfect for my fan theory!  |
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 7, 2010 4:43:04 GMT -5
  Thanx to my friend UFO for the photo submission! |
|
|
|
Post by gokinrob on Oct 7, 2010 7:38:28 GMT -5
I need a Grendizer coffee mug to keep at work. Why is this not available in the US?
|
|
|
|
Post by magengar on Oct 7, 2010 10:29:20 GMT -5
I haven't thoroughly read the entire debate between RJ member A and RJ member B. However, I do find each side as interesting arguements. ( by "arguements" I don't mean Fighting nor Bickering... I mean
these two guys are having a thorough discussion on the topics they're
presenting. So, my thumbs up for them.) In the real world, there are three sides to every story: This person's side, That person's side, and the TRUTH. In this hobby, regarding the Go Nagai robots being discussed here, there are three sides to this anime genre: >Go Nagai's side (which he never explains enough of. even His own work runs way ahead of him!) >The Fans side (whatever we get out of it, and can barely keep up with, in the end result until new stuff keeps coming along.) >and our IMAGINATIONS. Even if Go Nagai were to set his work in stone, ( as in, "Here's my work, this is how it is, and
that's all the opinion you need to have") The fans are free to take Nagai's work and expand it as far out as our individual imaginations may take us. We see evidence of that in fan's artwork renditions, fanmovies, fan-made custom toys and models, fan fictions portraying Nagai's work taking place in alternate universes and from an individual fan's own personal perspective. Just don't take my word for it... ...It's like Us humans were creating God in Our image so that we can understand and learn what makes this spiritual being such a unique power. So, we have many religions each portraying one's own perspective of that higher power whatever it is. It's not factual; it's just part of our learning experience, and it's the building block of our own personal beliefs and faiths we may have in whatever that power is. Here, we're doing the same with Go Nagai's work... His work exists as it is. We're just having fun recreating it in Our image. And we fantasize how ever we'd like to experience his work. By doing so, we gain further insight into what makes this genre tick... Whatever we come up with doesn't Have to be factual; every fan here is just expressing his/her own learning experience about Go Nagai's work, and any other Manga/Anime creator's work for that matter. Without this, we probably wouldn't be able to enjoy this hobby very much, now wouldn't we. I gotta tell ya, as Fans, each of us bring to the table some of the most coolest and amazing perspectives I've ever seen in my lifetime. So, please, pat yourselves on the back and drink a toast to this. zozo-Magengar |
|
|
|
Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 7, 2010 16:56:34 GMT -5
I need a Grendizer coffee mug to keep at work. Why is this not available in the US? You can order from www.high-dream.com ...You gotta register & join the site first to see the Work-in-Progress page. |
|
<- On Sale in Italy Now!
