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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 23:05:25 GMT -5
No, mate...no! It's not about who is powerful than who now  Please read my last post on the previous page! There is a rumor that Grendizer cannot fight on earth Hahaha! Nah, it's no rumor. Its a fact. ;D Althou, I must admit that Grendizer can fight on earth, because it did during most of its series. However, fighting on the ground it didn't do very well... other than on it's backside...  ;D }D Grendizer did not fall around as much as you are trying desperately to make it seem! Just don't go so far with this cuz almost all of of us saw the 74 episodes and know that he leaves Spazer and land as a King on the ground.  Try to control your hatred towards the King who made your Z machine looks like a toy please. As for rolling, at least Dizer wasn't a bowling like Z ;D Trust me, don't mess with Grendizer cuz I can start taking screen shots that will make you really feel so so so sorry for Mazinger Z. Z is a hero in his own world...but next to Dizer it's zero. |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 23:08:02 GMT -5
If I were a manga dude, I would also remind you that in one of the Mazinkaiser origins, there was the 3 Dizer Spazers. But nah, I will not take that cuz like I said mangas are too crazy! I agree. I think that mangas are crazy too. Can you imagine that they even showed a damaged Mazinkaiser in one of the mangas?!!! That is just pure crazy stuff right there. We all know that Mazinkaiser cannot be even scratched. ;D }D Heeelllp! Heeelllp! Kaiser will melt in the volcano, heeelllp! Boom, Bam, Boom... oups! My cockpit is Bang!  Where's Boss life savior stick? Not a scratch, yeah, yeah. |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 23:14:48 GMT -5
 Yes, as accurate as an italian translation of a japanese manga can be... what is the name they use for Grendizer in Italy??? Goldrake rings a bell perhaps? That translation is par to the U.S. Tranzor Z fiasco. There will never ever be anything better than the original, unaltered, pure japanese language in these classic anime series. }D ...Would you please show me the wrong info/number in this page that shows your Double Mazingers as school kids next to the King Grendizer? ;D Nowhere to Run, mate. |
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 2, 2010 1:49:04 GMT -5
well for starters
jumping
- Grendizer's normal jumping ability is 50m, the 950m is when he has his boosters on.
- Great Mazinger's jumping is use to be 20m, then when he got upgraded he jumps 30m, but with boosters on is 50m although he can just simply deploy the scramble dash and just fly away so he has everyone beat on that =/ (such a cheater lol).
- Mazinger Z 's jumping ability is 20m and with boosters is 500m, however the data for him is still incomplete since he got power up way to many times so who knows what is his new stats.
weight
-Mazinger'Z use to weight 20t but thanx to the Super Alloy NZ he is 18t
Speed
- well originaly Mazinger Z speed was 310 km/h when he was at the 500,000hp the when he got his first upgrade to 650,000hp he now runs 360km/h. Then later one he got 950,000hp which there is not data of his speed in that moment as well when he got yet again upgraded to the 2,000,000 hp in the GM series so who knows how fast Mazinger Z runs.
- Great Mazinger use to run 450km/h when he was at 900,000hp but he got upgraded to the 1,300,000hp but no data as well on that.
flying speed
- Grendizer's Mach 7 is suppose to be when his on top the Spazer, but when he is combine with the spazer is Mach 9.
- Great mazinger is Mach 4 in Scramble Dash so no problems there.
- Mazinger Z use to travel Mach 3, but after the scrander got Upgraded he travels at Mach 4.5 (a bit faster than Great Mazinger and a bit faster than the double spazer).
Size
Mazinger Z use to be 18m, but after he got upgraded in the Great Mazinger series he is now 20m. But Mazinger Z is still puny compare to GM and Grendizer. however thanx to GoNagai confirming the mistake that he did he is re-fixing them so i cant wait to see them well proportionate ^_^. Although we should send him back to school to learn better about proportions. >=D
water speed
- Mazinger Z is 20 knots, however since he got upgraded way to many times so who knows how fast he goes.
- Great Mazinger is 25 knots however since he got upgraded to the 1,300,000hp so who knows what knots he can do, but since he can just use the Scramble Dash under water for the mission so who knows his actual speed.
- Grendizer is 35 knots so no problems there.
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 2, 2010 8:17:12 GMT -5
well for starters jumping - Grendizer's normal jumping ability is 50m, the 950m is when he has his boosters on. Grendizer's normal jumping ability is 350 m, not only mentioned in the Mazinger Bible and Roman Album but in the anime by Minister Zuril (episode #33); and yes, Dizer jumps 950 m using the boosters on his legs. flying speed - Grendizer's Mach 7 is suppose to be when his on top the Spazer, but when he is combine with the spazer is Mach 9. Grendizer also has a faster-than-light speed when traveling in outer space. - Great Mazinger's jumping is use to be 20m, then when he got upgraded he jumps 30m, but with boosters on is 50m although he can just simply deploy the scramble dash and just fly away so he has everyone beat on that =/ (such a cheater lol). - Mazinger Z 's jumping ability is 20m and with boosters is 500m, however the data for him is still incomplete since he got power up way to many times so who knows what is his new stats. weight -Mazinger'Z use to weight 20t but thanx to the Super Alloy NZ he is 18t Speed - well originaly Mazinger Z speed was 310 km/h when he was at the 500,000hp the when he got his first upgrade to 650,000hp he now runs 360km/h. Then later one he got 950,000hp which there is not data of his speed in that moment as well when he got yet again upgraded to the 2,000,000 hp in the GM series so who knows how fast Mazinger Z runs. - Great Mazinger use to run 450km/h when he was at 900,000hp but he got upgraded to the 1,300,000hp but no data as well on that. Size Mazinger Z use to be 18m, but after he got upgraded in the Great Mazinger series he is now 20m. But Mazinger Z is still puny compare to GM and Grendizer. however thanx to GoNagai confirming the mistake that he did he is re-fixing them so i cant wait to see them well proportionate ^_^. Although we should send him back to school to learn better about proportions. >=D water speed - Mazinger Z is 20 knots, however since he got upgraded way to many times so who knows how fast he goes. - Great Mazinger is 25 knots however since he got upgraded to the 1,300,000hp so who knows what knots he can do, but since he can just use the Scramble Dash under water for the mission so who knows his actual speed. - Grendizer is 35 knots so no problems there.  Since when Great Mazinger and Mazinger Z have boosters to jump with? Which version of Mazinger Z you say it is made of NZ? Mazinger Z has been always weighting 20 tons. (I don't count the shins). What is the source for all the info you listed above (the same book: "The Complete Works of Mazinger Z")?  UFO Robo Grendizer, always in the lead  |
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Post by magengar on Nov 2, 2010 8:47:13 GMT -5
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 2, 2010 10:43:38 GMT -5
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 2, 2010 11:34:13 GMT -5
man i want the E-mangas so bad....;_;.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 2, 2010 12:16:23 GMT -5
Come on man! It's just for fun. We know these are just cartoons, but it is fun to act like a kid from time to time. Relax, don't be so serious about cartoons! Try looking at them through the eyes of a child, it will get rid of your stress...
}D
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 2, 2010 13:23:11 GMT -5
Correction: Grendizer's normal jumping ability is 350 m, not only mentioned in the Mazinger Bible and Roman Album but in the anime by Minister Zuril (episode #33); and yes, Dizer jumps 950 m using the boosters on his legs. Not exactly, the reason that he jumps 50m without booster is because the Mazinger Complete Work and the tv land magazine interviewing GoNagai for that time says and mentions Grendizer's weight been a factor to his performance ( in other words almost maxing on the 2,000,000hp). besides you say we cannot use anime as evidence but books or GoNagai's word as our only material source so i have to discard what Minister Zuril says plus the Mazinger Bible as yet again is an incomplete book so not many good info is said there except for details. the Roman Album 15 Grendizer (publish in 1979) although a good book its source is a miss match because the company Tokuma Shoten that publish the book was know for been some inaccurate or for having errors plus sometimes releasing the books one after the other in less time(this problem can been seen on the Roman Album 08 Raideen). The reason behind this from my understanding is that not only did publish Roman Album books but also other products included music, computer and game software, movies (including anime), magazines and manga, however this didn't make it a bad company but it turn out to be a good one, It just that in the Roman Album books was not its forte. To bad that company close (would love to have the Roman album books they had).An interesting thing is that one of the subsidiaries was Studio Ghibli, it was also the parent company for the film studio Daiei Motion Pictures. yea i know, im just saying what the drawing pics are not pointing out plus the FTL is called Super Luminal. - For Mazinger Z when he got the upgrade to fight underwater, after he got the upgrade, Koji use it to jump higher (pretty much to combine with the Jet Scrander most of the time in midair). Great Mazinger got his booster upgrade during after episode 35 forward on his first upgrade. however for Great Mazinger he didn't use it that much(really rare) since tetsuya only jump up to 50m so he can use the Scramble Dash. - The Mazinger Z im talking about is the one from classic anime, not the Shin version. After Mazinger Z got practically destroy in the final episode and Koji went to the U.S., Prof. Yumi and Dr. Kenzo Kabuto decided to upgrade Mazinger Z as a secret project so he can fight along side Great Mazinger. Thanks to Kenzo for providing the Super Alloy NZ to Prof. Yumi to make modification on Mazinger Z, the Alloy not only allowed Z to have his new upgrade and power ups but also the Alloy was lighter than the Chogokin Z. so they increase his size to 20m and his weight got reduce to 18t, 2t less than originally it had. - The source for this is from the TVLand Magazine Interviewing GoNagai, the Complete works Mazinger Z (publish on January 15, 1988 by Kôdansha in the Terebi Magazine's special edition collection)and part of the Mazinger Bible. the person who did al this research for almost 7 years made as well a data copilation specs of all 3 brothers ( he is still missing some but it will get there when he decides to update again. (  :Pugh to much...data... ) ah the farewell episode e-manga i always though that grendizer need it to end in a more memorable way. this does it for me   . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 13:36:28 GMT -5
droutmaster, you truly are an expert in this Mazinger Canon issue! My hat is off to you for sharing that great information with us without losing your calm and making this post a war of words.
Thanks again!
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 2, 2010 14:22:33 GMT -5
Come on man! It's just for fun. We know these are just cartoons, but it is fun to act like a kid from time to time. Relax, don't be so serious about cartoons! Try looking at them through the eyes of a child, it will get rid of your stress... }D No, no...it's not cartoons! I am gonna destroy ya and Mazinger Z @ the battlefield ;D Pffft, mate, it's not the first time that 'person' insults us! I reported him to the admins, again. He is getting banned from this forum cuz if doesn't respect the members, he's not welcomed over here. There are other forums that welcome rude members, but not here. Enjoy the banning, kaiserkiller  Au revoir ! |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 2, 2010 14:53:21 GMT -5
Correction: Grendizer's normal jumping ability is 350 m, not only mentioned in the Mazinger Bible and Roman Album but in the anime by Minister Zuril (episode #33); and yes, Dizer jumps 950 m using the boosters on his legs. Not exactly, the reason that he jumps 50m without booster is because the Mazinger Complete Work and the tv land magazine interviewing GoNagai for that time says and mentions Grendizer's weight been a factor to his performance ( in other words almost maxing on the 2,000,000hp). besides you say we cannot use anime as evidence but books or GoNagai's word as our only material source so i have to discard what Minister Zuril says plus the Mazinger Bible as yet again is an incomplete book so not many good info is said there except for details. the Roman Album 15 Grendizer (publish in 1979) although a good book its source is a miss match because the company Tokuma Shoten that publish the book was know for been some inaccurate or for having errors plus sometimes releasing the books one after the other in less time(this problem can been seen on the Roman Album 08 Raideen). The reason behind this from my understanding is that not only did publish Roman Album books but also other products included music, computer and game software, movies (including anime), magazines and manga, however this didn't make it a bad company but it turn out to be a good one, It just that in the Roman Album books was not its forte. To bad that company close (would love to have the Roman album books they had).An interesting thing is that one of the subsidiaries was Studio Ghibli, it was also the parent company for the film studio Daiei Motion Pictures. Well, this (only the quoted part) is totally unconvincing to me! For 3 reasons: - 1. Interviews if not in "video or audio" are never 100% accurate! Ask me...last week a stupid rumor spread about Jean-Claude Van Damme online because of someone who wrote a false statement on a movie site! Then, Van Damme (who I know in person) told me the right story, making things seem better! 2. I NEVER said we cannot use anime! OMG, in my entire life I never said that. I always say anime (except commercial films) and official publications are the only accurate sources for info. No for mangas, no for video games.3. If Grendizer jumps 50 meters in some episodes, it doesn't mean he can't jump 350 meters as mentioned in episode #33 or in the Mazinger Bible and all the official booklets that come with the DVD box sets with the robot specs. It also makes sense that if he jumps 950 meters with the leg boosters, then 350 meters would be logical for a regular jump cuz there's a horrible gap between 50 - 950. Note: I know about the booster for Z when he uses 'em underwater, but to be honest I cannot remember any episode where he used 'em to jump |
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 2, 2010 18:20:36 GMT -5
Well, this (only the quoted part) is totally unconvincing to me! For 3 reasons: - 1. Interviews if not in "video or audio" are never 100% accurate! Ask me...last week a stupid rumor spread about Jean-Claude Van Damme online because of someone who wrote a false statement on a movie site! Then, Van Damme (who I know in person) told me the right story, making things seem better! True, but audios and videos is the same as not been reliable as well because in one you can say one thing then on the other you something completely different. The guy has made a pretty well analysis of this interviews plus comparing many other interviews that GoNagai had during that time. most of them has the same plus it confirms what the Mazinger complete works says. the guy is not comparing like 2 books and 1 interview, he is comparing a lot of info he manage to gather during 7 years of research, not an easy task. i am quoting a statement that you did previously state many pages back This is a statement that you said when themazingerz said and quotes that Prof. Yumi and the 2 professors in the kaiser movie says clearly Kaiser's armor and power became infinite including Prof. Yumi stating that now kaiser has the power to surpass both god and the devil(which they do say it on the movie). So in your statement you told us in a sense not to use the movie for not been accurate and yet the movie is not an independent adaptation but a sequel to the ovas because all for simple example that you posted of the kaiser blade not coming out from the chest but from his shoulder which it was kinda obvious at first glance that it might be one of the upgrades Kaiser had in the movie while it was hidden in space like the Ice beam. True at first i though it might be some error, i though it would be 500M at the most with no boosters and not 50m but still there is a lot of reports of this including the Complete work mazinger z and the interviews (perhaps the creator himself made the conflicting versions). but the guy found out that GoNagai stated that for the reason of Grendizer own weight it limits his jump, its to much for a robot that is 30m compare to the different weight the Mazinger gets with the Super Alloy NZ or for that matter comparing it to Getter Robo 1 been at 38m and his weight is 220t, 60t less than Grendizer not to mention that Grendizer is almost maxing out in the horsepower from 1,800,000 to 2,000,000 hp. true that in the books they state about the 350m, but hearing straight from the creator himself on the interviews that totally changes perspective. Thats why in an interview that GoNagai had when the Mazinkaiser OVA was out GoNagai confirm mistake that he did to his previews robots was a big mistake on the gap difference as a hole and is gonna fix them up. oh he has use them trust me you can see the flame shooting out under his feet but is really inconsistent like in one episode he use them and the next 2 or 3 he doesn't. heck if you go and watch Mazinger Z vs Devilman or Mazinger Z vs AnkouDaishogun you can see before docking with the Jet Scrander the flames shooting out. |
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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Nov 2, 2010 18:29:16 GMT -5
ok... I think we are neutral. Let the fun begin again |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 2, 2010 18:43:07 GMT -5
i am quoting a statement that you did previously state many pages back Hahahahahahahaha! No, my friend...you got the meaning of what I previously said wrong ;D I meant the statement itself by Ankoku Daishogun was doubtful See the picture and you will learn what I meant...  In ALL my posts, here and on external sites; I always say: anime (series not commercial movies) and official publications are my sources. Ya got it? |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 2, 2010 18:45:00 GMT -5
droutmaster, I had never knew those facts! Thanks for sharing them. You rock dude!
Dammage 7 the only way Grendizer can defeat Mazinger Z is by sitting its fat ass on the Lean and Mean Mazinger Z!
Wow! It is sooo funny to find out that Go Nagai admitted Gredizer was a "fatso"!!!
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 2, 2010 18:54:31 GMT -5
UFO Robo Grendizer, always in the lead [/center][/quote] Hmmm... I think you need to get some glasses dude. ;D I can clearly see in that picture, and judging by the position of the wings and such, that Great Mazinger is on the lead, followed by Mazinger Z. Grendizer is third and flying above, but still number 3. BTW, that picture of Grendizer in the Spacer is HORRENDOUS! Look at the arms! They look that the are painted on the Spacer itself rather than being Grendizer's arms... }D |
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Post by magengar on Nov 2, 2010 19:10:32 GMT -5
I don't know what to think anymore... are you two Seriously
debating this at eachother's throats, or are you both just
merely horseplaying with all that info toss back-n-forth?
I'm asking this because I really don't wanna see you both
get into trouble here. You two are very devoted to your
favorite robots and I respect and admire that very much.
But the way you two go off on eachother makes you
both seem like you're both arguing over animes and such.
You're entitled to make a point, I just hope it's nothing more
than two different fans doing it in a humourous manner.
@ Droutmaster: DuUude, you are truly on top of your knowledge
for this topic, and I commend you for it. You've been doing your
homework on these robots besides merely watching their series
for entertainment. I wish I were as dedicated to it as you are.
Thanks for all that data and info on these amazing robots.
@ TMZ and D7: I also have to give you both credit for being so
dedicated to your knowledge of these robots. Again, I just hope
you're not goin at eachother's throats.
Hey, no one here is expected to be the Know-It-All about this topic.
The beauty of this dicussion is that we're all learning something from
one another. That's what matters most.
It only becomes Distracting when a discussion becomes a snowball fight
over Who's-more-powerful-than-Who to a point where it almost appears
one is insulting the other with wisecrack jokes.
So, please, lets have fun..... or next time I will post MY crusty butt
here and schmeear you with it. Have yer Kleenexes Ready.
;D
zozo-Magengar
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 2, 2010 19:21:36 GMT -5
You know what I think about cartoons, they are just cartoons and nothing more. I just love these debates, as they let me electronically behave in ways that would land me in the Arkham Asylum otherwise...
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