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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 22, 2014 13:16:05 GMT -5
Hello my friend you forgot this bad boy Mazinkaizer skl Comparing grendizer with the regular mazinkaizer won’t be fair for grendizer because in the ova & the movie mazkaiser didn’t get a scratch unless if you count the damage in the cockpit from fighting Ashura robot, in the movie they shot him from the atmosphere to the earth & that’s was like a warm up to start chopping 9 Mechanical beasts, 2 generals (the 3rd one Escaped away after getting burned from fire blaster), a giant ship & finally Ankoku Daishogun to be honest he’s way to powerful , grendizer was holding up nicely until he got his arm cut off by king gory on the other hand mazinkaizer skl got a huge scar in his face by Galan Robot that cost him an eye but that made him looks tougher, so I guess it will be more reasonable to compare grendizer with mazinkaiser skl , and about grendizer giga we don’t know anything about his abilities yet he might still have the same abilities or he got upgraded from the old grendizer no conformation about this yet , & if u want to compare in manga not anime did u read shin mazinger zero ? did you see how powerful both of mazinger z & great mazinger got ? let’s not forget about shin getter robo there’s also other super robot not created by Go Nagai can be compared to grendizer, don’t get the wrong idea my friend I love grendizer too it’s just most of his fans make other super robots specially mazinger z look like tea boys comparing to him come on Great comparison there! Totally agree. Unfortunately, some fans will always be blind to what's in from of them, and will come up with their own fantasies (Ha,ha... like cartoons are real, right?!). But the serious fans can easily see through those fantasies, and be able to tell who is who in this Super Robot genre. }D Thank you
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Post by RoboFestivus on Sept 22, 2014 13:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 22, 2014 13:26:01 GMT -5
well TMZ, you can ha ha as much as you want and it is easy to just claim what ever you want but , that don't change facts that true fans of this hobby know enjoy the mazins , it is Grendizer who will always protect them against serious trouble ! grendizer will leave the funny Dr. Hell and ankoko daishogun business to them so they can feel they are still needed Protect them??? Then why Grindizer can hardly stand here and why mazinger z and great mazinger are helping him to stand? Isn’t he supposed to protect them from serious troubles? In here we see mazinger z & great mazinger destroying not one but two of griendizer enemy’s along with some ufos And that was before they flex some muscles in the shin mazinger zero manga & Dr.hell stand tall for 91 episode that’s 17 episode longer than who? This guy
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Post by chogokinabdul on Sept 22, 2014 13:46:19 GMT -5
well TMZ, you can ha ha as much as you want and it is easy to just claim what ever you want but , that don't change facts that true fans of this hobby know enjoy the mazins , it is Grendizer who will always protect them against serious trouble ! grendizer will leave the funny Dr. Hell and ankoko daishogun business to them so they can feel they are still needed Protect them??? Then why Grindizer can hardly stand here and why mazinger z and great mazinger are helping him to stand? Isn’t he supposed to protect them from serious troubles? In here we see mazinger z & great mazinger destroying not one but two of griendizer enemy’s along with some ufos And that was before they flex some muscles in the shin mazinger zero manga & Dr.hell stand tall for 91 episode that’s 17 episode longer than who? This guy maria is piloting grendizer don't count !! and that fiesta all stars comic don't count as well !! it is anime what counts !! why do you think koji never went back to pilot Mazinger and preferred a TFO to it ? because there is no room for any mazins in this war !! this is searious war!! not Dr. HELL !! a maniac ! @ TMZ .. I can put an image for Dr Hell and ankuku daishogun To help you with more laughing that you might laugh your arss off !! just google the two Bozos We can Rant for ever !! The man himself said it many times that Grendizer is the mightiest robot of Mazin saga , simple loud and clear ! buy it or go cry like baby that is up to you ! I enjoy every one of them ! Knowing that he is the king and they are the great decibels
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 22, 2014 14:18:05 GMT -5
OMG!!! Ha, ha, ha... chogokinabdul, you're killing me! Why do you lie about Mazin Saga? Not even Nagai has ever said that Grendizer was the most powerful. Now, just because it is your favorite doesn't make it the best. Just because someone like Jeeg above all the rest, they can't say that it is the most powerful of Nagai's robots. Same with Grendizer, in your case. My favorite of all is Mazinger Z, but I understand that it is not the most powerful of the bunch. The most powerful of Nagai robots, as seen in manga, anime, and SRW games (not some convenient here-say from fanatics), is Mazinkaiser. It is spelled out in the anime - Infinite Power and Indestructible. It is shown in the anime. And just to make things clear with you, I don't even like Mazinkaiser all that much, because it is too powerful - which means "no fun". So, like I said, personal favorites do not change the actual facts shown. Oh, and as far as clown looking baddies, there is no one that can take that crown from silly ass-looking weakling King Vega. It is downright RIDICULOUS looking! Might as well left Blacky as the big boss on the series. }D
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Post by RoboFestivus on Sept 22, 2014 14:20:14 GMT -5
Go Nagai is like a puta, who sells to the highest bidder. If he went to Latin America, he would say that Mazinger Z is the greatest. He goes with whatever the fans of the regions like best. TBH, I never liked Go Nagai's style much. My Mazingers are the ones from Toei... not Nagai's. }D Go Nagai and TMZ at the Jerry Springer show: Jerry Springer: "So, Mr. Go Nagai, TMZ called you a puta. How long has he been calling you puta?" Go Nagai: "He's been calling me puta since the third grade."
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Post by chogokinabdul on Sept 22, 2014 14:34:24 GMT -5
ok , I am quitting this actually my fav is mazinger ! with grendizer ! so to me it is a win win ... and if kaizer on top makes you happy bro then no probs ... he is... you can say so... but there is one fact though to keep in mind .. mazinger needed many updates and upgrades including two mazinkaisers to keep his ball in the game!! grendizer still holding his place strongly with the only anime in the 70s that hocked every one and still to this day! I think that is alone tells you something! I think a reboot will solve every thing ! as for mazinkaiser what I hate that the dude didn't get his chance yet !! they didn't even bother to design his own enemies or unique villains ...
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Sept 22, 2014 14:43:33 GMT -5
Woohoo very nice image Festivus, best of all, I think the robots here are in scale little Mazinger Z on the front line, he's tiny (compared to the rest) but packs quite a punch Anyway, it seems we have an ongoing discussion about who's the strongest in the mazinger trio, am I right? We could come to a conclusion, a robot weaker than another one doesn't make it any less interesting or cool! So, the facts: Great Mazinger is stronger than Mazinger Z. That's a fact. Is Grendizer stronger than Great Mazinger? Probably. Probably it is. But is Grendizer stronger than Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger joining forces? That's a hard one. I'm in no position to tell who's the strongest here. I only watched Mazinger Z's show, Great Maz and Ufo Robot are in the "to watch" list. Also, if I'm lucky enough, I'll have Mazinger Z's manga, along with Great Mazinger's and Grendizer's ones, by the first week of October. Disclaimer: Ota's comics, not Nagai's ones. Maybe I'll find something out, about who's the strongest in the "trilogy"
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 22, 2014 14:45:49 GMT -5
Well, the thing seems to be that, in Japan, Grendizer does not sell very well. At least not as well as the Mazingers. So, that translated into no interest in making any new Grendizer anime so far. The new manga seems to be what Nagai wanted the Grendizer story to be originally. We'll see. TBH, seems like Getter Robots are the number 1 favorites of all of Nagai's (Ishikawa's) super robots in Japan. It sure got the most attention of all of the classics through the years. Mazinkaiser... seems like making new enemies for it was too much work. Super robot anime artist seem to have lost their creativeness over the years. }D
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 22, 2014 14:52:56 GMT -5
Woohoo very nice image Festivus, best of all, I think the robots here are in scale little Mazinger Z on the front line, he's tiny (compared to the rest) but packs quite a punch Anyway, it seems we have an ongoing discussion about who's the strongest in the mazinger trio, am I right? We could come to a conclusion, a robot weaker than another one doesn't make it any less interesting or cool! So, the facts: Great Mazinger is stronger than Mazinger Z. That's a fact. Is Grendizer stronger than Great Mazinger? Probably. Probably it is. But is Grendizer stronger than Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger joining forces? That's a hard one. I'm in no position to tell who's the strongest here. I only watched Mazinger Z's show, Great Maz and Ufo Robot are in the "to watch" list. Also, if I'm lucky enough, I'll have Mazinger Z's manga, along with Great Mazinger's and Grendizer's ones, by the first week of October. Disclaimer: Ota's comics, not Nagai's ones. Maybe I'll find something out, about who's the strongest in the "trilogy" There is a manga where Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger fight Grendizer (while under mental control of some enemy). Duke Fleed even admits that Grendizer could be destroyed by them, and if that was the case, the Earth was to be protected by them (the Mazingers). Great Mazinger cut Grendizer pretty bad with his sword, while Grendizer cuts off one of it's arms. Mazinger Z didn't do much but to punch it a few times, and it got its fingers damaged by Grendizer's Screw Crushers. One thing to note, is that Mazinger Z gets upgraded with the same alloy and technology as Great Mazinger, and at one point, Mazinger Z is even twice as strong as Great Mazinger. }D
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Sept 22, 2014 15:05:42 GMT -5
Super robot anime artist seem to have lost their creativeness over the years. }D So true... we don't see that many these days, do we? This thing has its strong periods, and its weak periods. The 70's were full of super robots, everyone trying to get a slice of that delicious super robot cake. We got some great classics from that decade. In 1979 Gundam was born, and so the real robot genre and the fanbase, and it pretty much dominated the 80's robot landscape. Still, some SR shows saw the light during the 80's. And how could we forget about Transformers? And then came the 90's. The Brave series, glorious. It was also an experimenting time, people trying out new things. Like Evangelion (still, I don't know if Evangelion should be considered a mecha anime... but it plays like one). But what happened next? Not much right? The 00's had their few sparkling diamonds, like Diebuster and Gurren Lagann (thank you Gainax). And some Gundam series. But what else? And the situation right now is utterly underwhelming. We're talking super robots here. What do we have left today? Anytime I see some trailers or anime scenes were robots are shown, it's either yet another Gundam cartoon, or a scool-themed moe-ish (ugh ) anime with some real robots in it. Or a total disaster. Like, a fantasy super-stereotype childish show with some CGI clusterbucks which they say they're robots but look more like the insides of a wrist watch... I really hope the wind changes again in our favor...
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Sept 22, 2014 15:30:38 GMT -5
There is a manga where Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger fight Grendizer (while under mental control of some enemy). Duke Fleed even admits that Grendizer could be destroyed by them, and if that was the case, the Earth was to be protected by them (the Mazingers). Great Mazinger cut Grendizer pretty bad with his sword, while Grendizer cuts off one of it's arms. Mazinger Z didn't do much but to punch it a few times, and it got its fingers damaged by Grendizer's Screw Crushers. One thing to note, is that Mazinger Z gets upgraded with the same alloy and technology as Great Mazinger, and at one point, Mazinger Z is even twice as strong as Great Mazinger. }D Mhmm, I'm afraid the manga you're referring to is the one Nagai draw. But I don't know, maybe there'll be a Mazs VS Grendy fight even in Ota's manga. I hope The fact is, here in Italy many of Nagai's robot mangas are being reprinted in this period. It started over an year ago I think, with Devilman, one of Nagai's classics. That was just to draw the fans' attention, because right after that Mazinger Z came out, yay! First they reprinted Go Nagai's trilogy: Maz Z, Great Maz and Grendizer. But I noticed something weird: Mazinger Z's manga was comprised of 6-7 volumes, while Great Mazinger and Grendizer were single-volume works. Their stories were waaay shorter. That's because Nagai, apparently, was very busy at the time, with all the robot shows he was involved with. So he rushed things up, and we ended with short, poorly written, albeit well drawn mangas. I even read that his Grendizer manga was and still is unfinished, the story has no proper ending! But Gosaku Ota, his apprentice, decided to make his own versions of the 3 mangas, based on the ones made by Nagai but expanding them, with more robot fights and a richer story. There's a substantial increase in the number of volumes, true, but I decided to go for these versions anyway. They're also the more show-accurate ones, incidentaly
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Post by chogokinabdul on Sept 22, 2014 15:36:10 GMT -5
Well, the thing seems to be that, in Japan, Grendizer does not sell very well. At least not as well as the Mazingers. So, that translated into no interest in making any new Grendizer anime so far. The new manga seems to be what Nagai wanted the Grendizer story to be originally. We'll see. TBH, seems like Getter Robots are the number 1 favorites of all of Nagai's (Ishikawa's) super robots in Japan. It sure got the most attention of all of the classics through the years. Mazinkaiser... seems like making new enemies for it was too much work. Super robot anime artist seem to have lost their creativeness over the years. }D Now I am going to talk about some thing I know that many people won't agree because of what ever is written all over the internet about how well was grendizer received in Japan ! the fact that it wasn't received that well is not totally true ! I know it might sound strange but I had many talks with animator friends from japan and other places. Grendizer did better than great mazinger and getter G ! but it didn't do as good as mazinger-z !! think of it this way ! how many episodes did great mazinger last? 50 something , right? that is it ! it didn't last longer because people started to loose interest in it. same goes with getter G. it was great when started but it had to come to an end soon. the second longest super robot series was grendizer after mazinger z and that is because it was doing good!! writers kept writing as tv channels kept asking for more episodes because fans were watching ! it is go nagai who wanted to end it at the 74 mark and he wraped it up early because he had it with this show!! many things went against his favors including adding koji and adding maria !! while fans loved maria he wanted to make hikaru the star. back then if a show didn't do well it just get shorted to wrap it up like aizenborg which was planed to be 58 episodes but it didn't do as expected so they end it at 35 I think. take a look at the SOC line !! it started with mazinger z (No brainer the father of super robots) then great mazinger (obviously) went to the first real combiner (combattler v) then who is No04 ? not getter , not raideen , not voltes , it was grendizer ! because there is a great fan base for him in japan and the rest of the world ! only nagai keep looking away from it
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Post by S_Gokin on Sept 22, 2014 15:56:22 GMT -5
Protect them??? Then why Grindizer can hardly stand here and why mazinger z and great mazinger are helping him to stand? Isn’t he supposed to protect them from serious troubles? In here we see mazinger z & great mazinger destroying not one but two of griendizer enemy’s along with some ufos And that was before they flex some muscles in the shin mazinger zero manga & Dr.hell stand tall for 91 episode that’s 17 episode longer than who? This guy maria is piloting grendizer don't count !! and that fiesta all stars comic don't count as well !! it is anime what counts !! why do you think koji never went back to pilot Mazinger and preferred a TFO to it ? because there is no room for any mazins in this war !! this is searious war!! not Dr. HELL !! a maniac ! @ TMZ .. I can put an image for Dr Hell and ankuku daishogun To help you with more laughing that you might laugh your arss off !! just google the two Bozos We can Rant for ever !! The man himself said it many times that Grendizer is the mightiest robot of Mazin saga , simple loud and clear ! buy it or go cry like baby that is up to you ! I enjoy every one of them ! Knowing that he is the king and they are the great decibels Why it’s don’t count because it got you cornered HAHAHAHAH , here’s a little fact for you In one episode of mazinger z series Sayaka Yumi piloted mazinger z that didn’t make him any weaker or hardly standing like grendizer & they didn’t put him in the show because he will take the spot lights from grendizer, any ways like TMZ said grendizer didn’t sell well in japan that’s why he didn’t get anything new and that’s sad actually because we need more of him because hes a wonderful robot. lets just HOPE this full reboot will be great to read & get transform to an anime one day
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Post by chogokinabdul on Sept 22, 2014 16:14:14 GMT -5
maria is piloting grendizer don't count !! and that fiesta all stars comic don't count as well !! it is anime what counts !! why do you think koji never went back to pilot Mazinger and preferred a TFO to it ? because there is no room for any mazins in this war !! this is searious war!! not Dr. HELL !! a maniac ! @ TMZ .. I can put an image for Dr Hell and ankuku daishogun To help you with more laughing that you might laugh your arss off !! just google the two Bozos We can Rant for ever !! The man himself said it many times that Grendizer is the mightiest robot of Mazin saga , simple loud and clear ! buy it or go cry like baby that is up to you ! I enjoy every one of them ! Knowing that he is the king and they are the great decibels [/quote]Why it’s don’t count because it got you cornered HAHAHAHAH , here’s a little fact for you In one episode of mazinger z series Sayaka Yumi piloted mazinger z that didn’t make him any weaker or hardly standing like grendizer & they didn’t put him in the show because he will take the spot lights from grendizer, any ways like TMZ said grendizer didn’t sell well in japan that’s why he didn’t get anything new and that’s sad actually because we need more of him because hes a wonderful robot. lets just HOPE this full reboot will be great to read & get transform to an anime one day [/quote] Relax boy... no body cornered nothing ! read what I wrote above ... and really I don't know any true fan who use that poorly written electronic manga as a proof (but damn it is well illustrated!!) Just chill...
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 22, 2014 17:16:13 GMT -5
Okay, so let's all just agree to disagree on which Go Nagai robot is the best. Like with everything in all of creation, some will like some things, while others like other things. I think that the best way to handle discussions like this one, is just to keep it at the personal preference level. You know, I think it's better to just express how we feel about the character, without having to come up with theories outside what is normally found on their respective stories in order to make them look better than the others. As long as we keep it as our opinions, everybody wins! }D
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Post by droutmaster on Sept 22, 2014 17:56:14 GMT -5
Daiku Maryu, Gaiking and crew can travel through space at light speed and they would mop the floor with all the other Go Nagai robots. They are fast, but their armor and attacks are not as strong as the Mazingers' or Grendizer's. }D true, but still cool non the less. You know, it has been a long time i don't see the the original Gaiking. if i recall the main hero was a baseball player and somehow he was chosen to be Gaiking's pilot. but why was that? something i didn't understood about it.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Sept 22, 2014 18:04:24 GMT -5
He had the ability to throw the ball super fast and in a certain way that it would disappear and reappear. He could use this ability with Gaiking's attack. }D
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Post by DUKE 77 on Sept 22, 2014 19:08:17 GMT -5
[Summery] Go Nagai says: - I was asked to do something different from Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger. - I thought of creating a super robot that is not related to human-made. - The reason UFO Robo Grendizer is stronger than Great Mazinger (who's stronger than Mazinger Z according to the anime) is that Grendizer is an alien-made. - Duke Fleed and Grendizer are the saviors of Planet Earth. - I am aware and happy how famous Grendizer is in Kuwait and the Middle East. OH LA LA Strange that I see some earthens still debating here even after they heard what Go Nagai said! I mean, come one, we love the Go Nagai earthen-made super robots i.e. Getters or Mazingers but nothing is wrong to accept that Grendizer is officially the most powerful super robot in Nagai's universe. Mazinger Z < Great Mazinger < Mazinkaiser < UFO Robo Grendizer it's that simple!
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Sept 22, 2014 19:52:39 GMT -5
Officialy the strongest Nagai ever created? Mhmmhmm my sceptic senses are tingling Though it probably was the strongest one by the time he appeared on screen. There were not many other SRs to begin with. But the nagaian robot universe expanded after Grendizer's birth, I'm not that sure he still holds the trophy Ahh who cares anyway? All of those robots are awesome! Besides, Grendizer fans will always say that Grendy's the strongest, Mazinger Fans will always say that Mazinkaiser is the strongest, and Getter fans like me will always say that Shin Getter Robo is the strongest (or another Getter, since there are so many ). And it was about time Grendizer had a reissue/successor right? Mazinger and Getter fans alike got their Shins and their Kaisers some time ago, a way to tell they didn't forget about us yet. But no sign of Grendizer coming back on stage... till now.
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