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Post by kamenrider on Jul 1, 2012 19:46:30 GMT -5
This is the same person in the DX Mazinger thread that was upset because there was no Koji in the hover pilder. ;D Shin Mazinger Flopped? If so its because Japans taste in anime has changed for the worst. Buts that another story for another time.
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Post by haro on Jul 1, 2012 20:40:54 GMT -5
I agree with droutmaster, it was the srw fans who really normalized and designated the term for super robots and real robots, there are a lot of factors to consider what a super robot is, but as my own personal rule, if the pilots shouts the name of their weapons attack (instead of just shouting "gyaaahhhh!" for real robots) then they are by nature super robots whether they be modern or classic, but if you're a true fan of mecha, you'd love both, otherwise, you have to just pick the per era robots. Whatever floats your boat. All are entitled to their own opinions.  |
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Post by B- on Jul 1, 2012 20:45:40 GMT -5
The funny thing to me and my take on this is in the whole SRC collection thus far only about 5 of them are real classic Super Robots!
The rest are fodder for the junk drawer.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 1, 2012 20:54:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I was upset about the Koji just because I don't like to pay for incomplete things.  Also, Shin Mazinger flopped because there was almost NO Mazinger action in it. They made it around the human characters instead... which of course, totally sucks! The term Super Robot was used in the 1972 Mazinger Z anime. Banpresto's SRW franchise had nothing to do with its creation.  Yeah, the Super Robot Chogokin line is truly skimping on true Super Robots, but that only means more money available for CM's releases. ;D }D |
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Post by haro on Jul 1, 2012 21:13:31 GMT -5
If you haven't figured it out by now, the src target audience is mostly young adolescents and those just about to start with a real job or work. While soc is more aimed for 30yo and above target market. As such, you have to view src as an investment by bandai, the way they invested on the chogokin st line before, when the adults of today can't afford to buy yet the more expensive versions of the 70s way back when. By the time the young super robot fans of today (who patronize the src line) grows up, you can bet that bandai will also be releasing those power ranger mechs, armored cores and stuff on the soc line. What will you do by then? Complain about the soc line? Nope, i think 15-20years from now you'd be more concerned about other stuff in your life, I really doubt the 50th anniv maz will be more saleable than the 40th ver. Considering the fanbase is getting old, but if it does sell well, i'm pretty sure you'd have to thank the young fans who were so awed by their super poseable, prettily sculpted classic src maz. Don't get me wrong, i hate that they are not releasing classic sr on the src line, I'm not even getting all of the so called "crap" on the src line. but these are toys, and thus aimed for kids, we gotta live with that fact once you focus on your so called fans, listening to their every whim, then You are killing your own industry. (look at the comics industry, and why they are now trying to retcon everything) creating a future fanbase, it's just good business. ;D |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 1, 2012 22:16:48 GMT -5
Bandai is a business to make money, no doubt. They just will not be getting my money as often as they used to, that's all. I'll just pick and choose... just pick and choose. }D |
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Post by B- on Jul 2, 2012 5:27:48 GMT -5
Bandai is a business to make money, no doubt. They just will not be getting my money as often as they used to, that's all. I'll just pick and choose... just pick and choose. }D For sure! |
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Post by boricua on Jul 2, 2012 11:10:32 GMT -5
lol, sometimes is good to be broke and not have money to buy srcs, that way i dont care about what they release and only are able to buy what i can afford.
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Post by Chen on Jul 2, 2012 16:41:05 GMT -5
Ok the term "Super Robot" means any robot that is above average then it's "peers", it's a play on the word Superhero. So basically any robot that is stronger, faster, more powerful than the vast majority of of it's "peers". This can apply to Mazinger Z or the Freedom Gundam, there is usually only one of it, it could also mean that it's either a prototype or "cheaper" mass produced less powerful versions are based off it. "Real Mecha" usually applies to mechs where they are massed produced, they tend to be less powerful but make up for it with numbers, they are also based more in "real" world technology, mechs like the Macross VF-1's or Xabungle could be considered "real mecha". In either case the pilots are also important, I would not say that Koji Kabuto is any more or less important than Amuro Ray and both follow the same pattern of having the introduction, conflict, than have the robot show up in the last 1/3 of the show.
It's less about what a robot is then the time it was made, anime from the 70's was geared towards kids, in the 80"s they added more drama and with animation techniques improving they made the robots more complex. They also delved more into character development because the audience was becoming more varied and the kids that watched the anime in the 70's were getting older, they wanted drama.
Now what sucks and what doesn't is a matter of OPINION, not fact. Obviously Bandai received enough pre-orders and fan acceptance of the Armored Core figure that they started work on another one. So the fans that are not buying it are balanced out by fans who are and new ones that want a Armored Core figure and not a model. Obviously Bandai knows that it won't generate Mazinger Z numbers in sales but it is widening the audience who would buy a SRC figure and thus increasing the brand image. This goes for any toy line, you risk losing loyal fans but you also have a chance of getting new ones when you throw in a figure out of left field plus those loyal fans will come back when you release something they like.
Like what's been stated before buy what you like, it won't effect Bandai if a 100 or 500 or even 1000 fans "strike" against a certain toy since there will be more than enough that do along with new ones. They make tens of thousands of these toys for markets around the world.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 2, 2012 19:33:19 GMT -5
But it does affect Bandai, or any other company, when the product they put out doesn't sell as planned and quickly ends up in the bargain bins. You can see it all the time... figures collecting dust in shelves that end up basically given away (Green Lantern snot-monster alert).
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Post by kamenrider on Jul 2, 2012 20:34:43 GMT -5
Bandai knows what their doing though. Look at the Figuarts line. Its predominantly Kamen Rider but, they've dabbled into other series as well. Sometimes its a hit and others its a miss but, still them experimenting has not hurt the line. The name of the line is "super robot Chogokin" not "only the classic robot gokin". They've only added one real robot type to the series the rest have stayed true to the line.
Whether or not you acknowledge them is up to you.
Since you brought up CM's Brave line thats a series that's gone off the rails. Why? Because the name of the line is "Brave". and when was the last brave figure released? Its disappointing for Brave fans like myself that wanted modern updates of classic figures and it seems we will never get them. Atleast Bandai is reaching out to all fans.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 2, 2012 20:47:36 GMT -5
So you feel my pain then. I have no problem with Bandai makin whatevr figure they think is going to sell, hell, for all I care the can go ahead and make a Soul of Chogokin or Super Robot Chogokin Barbie. What tweaks me the wrong way is that instead of releasing them under some other line (and Bandai has tons of them and then some) they stick them in the "Super Robot Chogokin/Soul of Chogokin" one. Like the Space Battleship Yamato and Andromeda belong under the Soul of Chogokin line, right? But this is what happens when you get old and ornery... ;D }D |
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Post by B- on Jul 2, 2012 21:26:51 GMT -5
I hate those stupid battleships.
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Post by Chen on Jul 2, 2012 21:33:59 GMT -5
Well that's because the SOC name and now the SRC line have brand recognition its easier to add a select few figures to a line then start a brand new one and be forced to keep it going. Plus I think Bandai does enough market research to not make huge mistakes and just throw away money. Unlike ill conceived lines like the 1/100 scale Macross stuff which is pretty much dead its much smarter to add one or two figures in a varied line, if it fails they'll just make another proven hit to re-coup loses. Plus I think these Armored Core figures will sell pretty well, with a popular new game out and rumors of a Anime coming its just part of a huge marketing push. There has been 14 Armored Core games released so its not like its a brand new franchise and a unknown quantity its proven itself as a popular franchise.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 2, 2012 22:24:21 GMT -5
Aha! So there is going to be a new game and a possible anime to go with these AC figures then. Well, that makes some sense. Still, they should have gone in the GE line instead, like the Force Attack Aquarion and LODM Gaiking did back in their day. ;D
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Post by quinjester on Jul 2, 2012 23:14:07 GMT -5
in the GE line like the Force Attack Aquarion and LODM Gaiking did back in their day. ;D The GE line died though. It had no brand recognition. SRC has a name people and retailers recognize. It would be stupid for Bandai not to try and market something under that name and brand if they wanted any sort of success. It would be like Ferrari deciding that their next experimental supercar would be made under the name "Pintorini" because they didn't feel it 100% melded with the Ferrari aesthetic. No matter how amazing or powerful that car might be, it would be a horrifying waste of money and time. Some of the best releases of the SRC line haven't been Super Robots and, by some people's reasoning, should never have been made. Alteisen and Weissritter are not super robots. Daiguard is not a super robot. I certainly hope that nobody poo-pooing the less-than-super robots in the SRC line purchased or enjoyed any of those figures. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 3, 2012 0:50:30 GMT -5
Is the GE line dead? They only had a couple of releases under that line! Of well, I am pretty sure Bandai still owns it and can bring it back at any time, like the Soul of Popynica. I think that Alteisen, Weissritter, and Daiguard are Super Robots. They are not 1970's or 1980's Super Robots, but in the anime they do behave like Super Robots - even Daiguard did in the later episodes. }D |
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Post by nikodiablo on Jul 3, 2012 9:49:29 GMT -5
^ Alteisen and Weissritter definitely are NOT super robots. Never in the anime (or the game) that they behave like super robots. Neither Alt or Weiss-chan have unlimited ammo or energy, have been severely damaged frequently (Alt to the point of no return that it had to be upgraded into Alteisen Riese), and their most devastating attack can only be done in tandem.
If not due to the insanely high stats of the pilots, they would be at a serious disadvantage if placed alone without covers or back up in the front line. That's why the third team mate of the ATX team is Bullet who pilots a Grungust, considered to be a true Super Robot in the SRW World.
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Post by boricua on Jul 3, 2012 10:03:24 GMT -5
hahaha, i think you need to review your post nikodiablo because those two robots you are saying are not super robots are the main characters of the super robot wars series, get it, SUPER ROBOT wars!!!! you say that the are not super robots because they got damaged, ooops, so did mazinger, great mazinger, all the getters, jeeg, gaiking, and every single other super robot ever created, except mazinkaiser. you may not like it that they are called super robots but their creators did and so they are super robots and nobody can change that.
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Post by quinjester on Jul 3, 2012 10:47:33 GMT -5
hahaha, i think you need to review your post nikodiablo because those two robots you are saying are not super robots are the main characters of the super robot wars series, get it, SUPER ROBOT wars!!!! you say that the are not super robots because they got damaged, ooops, so did mazinger, great mazinger, all the getters, jeeg, gaiking, and every single other super robot ever created, except mazinkaiser. you may not like it that they are called super robots but their creators did and so they are super robots and nobody can change that. Super Robot Wars is a series which contains both Super Robots and Real Robots. Alteisen and Weissritter are both explicitly labeled as Real Robots - they are prototype and customized versions of mass produced grunt robots. Robots such as Daizengar and Aussenseiter (which got Soul of Chogokins) are Super Robots. Alteisen is no more a super robot than Xabungle is, or char's Zaku, or Chirico Cuvie's Scopedog. |
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