God sigma toei japan

[chogokin777]

Just want to ask if someone here have one? What's the difference between the toei and popy deluxe version of this one?.. Im planning to get a toei version of it but i dont have enough knowledge about toei toys..

[chogokin777]

Heres the sample picture of the item box

[chogokin777]

Toei japan.. What you think guys?

[repairtechjon]

That's a pretty cool find. I'm always interested in GodSigma variations, and have most legit, and knockoff versions, but can't remember seeing that box combo above. I'd get it just for the uniqueness.
Did you find that locally in the Phillipines?

All of the Japanese legit versions of the character, both ST, DX, and all the other stuff, are actually all "Toei" versions, with a sticker or stamp to show it.
In your pics, the "Toei" is just spelled out more since it's an English export market (Phillipines?) box of some sort.

I'll just throw a few speculations out there:

-If the set you're looking at in those pics is actually Made in Japan, each of the bots should have markings on their backs showing this also.
-Likely, if true, the set should be identical to the Popy Japanese version inside, for parts,but with a similar Engrish inner window lid.
-One thing easy to see with the bootlegs, is on Thunder King (black center bot).Look at the upper knee/thigh area. The legit versions have large black w/red stripe area at top of leg. The bootregs have a completely chome-d upper thigh area, missing the black section.
-The bootleg Ocean and Earth kings have paint shade differences, easy to see in person, hard to see in most pictures.

I'll dig a few of mine out for pic comparison to show better what I'm talking about.

For the moment, here's some over priced BIN auctions with pics to see comparison of legs, and weapons:

Bootleg Taiwan DX GodBot looks like direct box ripoff of your set,with "Space Combination" and other stuff spelled out in Engrish:
page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g115680773

Reglular Popy DX: www.ebay.com/itm/COMPLETE-God-Sigma-Chogokin-Deluxe-Popy-World-wide-1980-Gb-18-19-20-Siguma-robot-/251265113223?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a80915c87

Looks like you're mainly dealing with just a box variation only, but should check the inside pieces to confirm "Japan" and Toei markings.

I wish I knew more first hand to share.

[chogokin777]

Hi john here's some pictures inside the box

[chogokin777]

Another one.. What do think? A k.o production? It has some missing parts

[godaiking]

Toy looks legit, but like Jon said, you'll need to ask the seller for pics of the copyright marks on the toy.

[repairtechjon]

Yeah, the blue and yellow shading on Earth and Sea kings looks legit.
The shoulder/upper arms of Thunder King(center bot) are not overly bright chrome. Super shiny chrome is usually found on the KO shoulders.

That set may not have as many missing parts as you think, other than paperwork.
The missing blue foot missle for Ocean King can b seen in a slot upper right of tray, and the black foot missle for Earth King is in place.
The extra black pair of small fists for Thunder King may likely be still inside of the large blue Sigma Punches.(often gets put away like that) or they sometimes are hidden in the hollow storage spot inside Thunder's big feet, lol.
Both shoulder rods are there, though one may need to be heated to straighten out.
Fists for small bots seem missing but can also turn up stuffed inside hollow areas of each bot.

Again, like Godaiking says, have the back of the bots checked for marks.

May be worth picking up just for the oddity anyway, depending on cost.

[repairtechjon]

Oh, and I meant to clarify earlier, TOEI is just the animation studio name that created and produced the shows, not a toy manufacturer.
Almost all Popy bots are made based on Toei studio characters , hence the makings on toys and boxes.
Having "Toei" on the box is not an indicator of variation.
It makes me wonder why "Popy" or the Popy symbol do not show up somewhere on the box.

[chogokin777]

Not sure if this is the manual.. It has a popy.. But the doesnt have a popy on it..

[KingboyD]

Its a pretty interesting find. Check the back of the toy itself for markings, as previously noted! I would love to hear if its legit or not.

[xtrlowz75]

I have a KO Godsigma and this looks close, but the markings on the backs in the diecast will give your true ID. My KO has no markings and paint on the feet area of the leg/feet robots is cheaply applied. An actual Popy should have pretty clean paint like the Godaikin version. Of course all the weapons and parts are the same. CollectionDX did a review of both, and found no difference in the KO vs. actual version besides paint application and the KO has a few spots less of diecast, but overall they look identical. The biggest difference is if it has markings in the diecast or not.

[admin1 aka Ed]

This may be a transitional piece. I had heard that the Japanese mold was shipped/sold over to Taiwan on Godsigma. -So this most likely is liscensed, but I imagine a non-Japanese toy.

To me its not a K.O., just a transitional toy..... BUT, I want to see the markings too

[repairtechjon]

Ok, I finally popped out the DX Popy and Godaikin boxed versions, and I am leaning back to calling the set in the above pics a KO , or as Ed said, transitional w/Toei license.

Ill take pics this eve, with the DX KO GodBot for comparison, but a few differences:

-Ocean King:
-the whip gun/laser weapon on the far left, should be black, but the KO is red.
-on the blue hips, on either side of the belt buckle, there are 2 yellow painted "T" areas. On the Popys, the bottom section of the T is red, not yellow.

Earth King:
-belt buckle should have 3 small vertical silver stripes inside the black rectangle, but KO has just solid black rectangle at the belt center.

Large Sigma punch gauntlets should be blue, with a red stripe around the cuff, under the chrome guard.

[KingboyD]

Well, its hard to call a toy a KO if it is licensed by Toei, if that is in fact a true marking on the box and not a KO printing to fool people (I doubt they would go to that extreme - we have not seen it before that I recall). The design might be licensed, but they just did not oversee the production overseas. As long as it has a license from the owner of the intellectual rights to the robot, its not a KO, is it? Its just a crappy production.

Same with the Daitarns. Although made in Taiwan, it is a Sunrise licensed product. Of course, that one is pretty close to the original in terms of quality. But it is typically referred to as a KO. I don't think that is an accurate description. Its just outsourced.

[repairtechjon]

Well, for some reason half the pics aren't loading off the SD card, but I'll go with what I've got for comparisons between the real Popy God Siguma DX, and Taiwan GodBot.

1st, I forgot to mention, that the big blue Sigma Punch gauntlets on the KO are almost always both left handed, LOL. Check the thumbs. Should be a right and left fist on a real Popy/Godaikin

The legit Popy is on the left in all pics, KO GodBot on the right:

2nd, Ocean King (Kaimei OH)
-Forehead on helmet has an extra dark center block on legit -Popy, blank on KO
-Paint has worse masking lines on the KO.
-At belt line, the red squares on right and left of belt , under the yellow lines, can be seen on the Popy, solid yellow on the KO.














Back markings have to be there on legit releases:




Earth King (Rickushin Oh):
-Forehead center on helmet also has added red paint detail on the Popy, blank on KO.
-Center belt buckle, the 3 silver vertical lines can be seen inside the black. Blank on the KO.
-Sloppy paint masking again on the KO, especially in the waist area.








I'll post some more when I retrieve the other pics I took, and get my camera and computer back out of the lake I tossed them into,. Electronics are THE most imperfect tools man has ever created, LOL.

[chogokin777]

Headache!! Haha
Look at this one. The head is similar to the popy but the belt has no red marking just yellow.. So what's this a half popy and half ko? Lol.. Confusing.. The owner havent check yet if it has a popy marking on the back or foot..

[xtrlowz75]

Well if we want to be technical about this whole thing, my Godbot is not really a KO any way. We all need to remember that the Diecast Metal plant in Taiwan actually produced the latter year Godaikins and Voltron IIIs. It was before 1986 that this same plant was licensed by Toei and Bandai. When the license was pulled to end Godaikin production in 1985, also ending further production of Voltrons, this same plant or factory that had the molds, continued producing these robots. Thats where Godbot, GodTron, Lionbot, Protector, and GodSphinx were all built. In the same Godaikin/Voltron plant or factory with out the licensing. Yes I know Lionbot was produced before 1985/86 like a KO, but even the older Lionbots sometimes come with "Y&K made in Taiwan Golion D" decals. Now why would that be...... well because they were made in the same factory or came out of the same warehouse given the facts of what we all know as a group on these things.

So the current Lionbot,....is it really a knock off? Not sure as it still appears to come out of the same factory. Heck the Lionbot is still superior to the lesser Trendmasters Voltron which appeared to be more of a knock off with actual licensing.

Are any of these super robots really true knock offs? If you look at this theory, the answer is no, they were just produced unlicensed by the original factory after Toei and Bandai pulled out. Of course they have some obvious cut corners in their production/quality to cut costs, but overall cost and lack of advertising support is what drove Bandai to drop Godaikins in the first place. The guys in Taiwan just continued making them, because even with America out and more focused on the newer and cheaper Transformers, other countries obviously supported them enough to keep production going.

So rock that Godsigma or Godbot, GodMarz or GodTron, Gardian or Protector, Golion or Lionbot, and don't forget Daltanias or Godsphinx. They are all in heart the same, and we love them for the joy of old school giant diecast robots.

[repairtechjon]

Good, true points xtrlowz75, same molds all around, just less quality detailing.

Chogokin777, as to the main questions you started this thread, the toy you are looking at buying is, as xtrlowz said, from the same molds, but NOT an original, quality detailed, Popy/Godaikin issue.

The set in your pics is a later production, looks like it must have been before the boxes got switched over fully to saying "God Bot" , and has most of the indicators of lesser quality detailing, just like all the GodBots seen.(except for those upper legs on Thunder King)

You're interested in price I'm sure, so this set may have a market value slightly more than typical GodBot sets, but not worth the price of an original Popy, or Godaikin set, since it is clearly not one of those.
The instuction manual pic you posted, the red oval in the center of the pic of 3 bots, should have the Popy symbol in it, not just blank red oval.

If you can get a good price for it, the toy will be great to play with, and have good display presence, and not worry about "mint' pricing.

[chogokin777]

Thanks for all the help and concerns.. Rj members are really humble and helpful members.. Once again im glad that i had found this site.. Maybe i'll just cancel this one and find a original popy version of it..