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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Jun 26, 2014 9:58:41 GMT -5
The C3 was a fake one. So, there's a poor guy that paid a huge amount for a fake item. I'm really mad about messing with people like this. As for the Daltanious, I didn't had a chance to check my sales records but it could really be one of the most expensive loose one I've ever see, especially since it was broken. Ok it's easy to repair and barely visible and the whole specimen looks clean so I guess it balance a bit, but anyway still high. How good of a forgery was the C3? That is a huge amount of money to spend on a fake. Very unfortunate. |
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Post by zambot3 on Jun 26, 2014 13:18:44 GMT -5
Yes a kamen rider V3 loose and in great condition went for $1380 or so on ebay. As for the daltanious, I think the price was fair. Here's why. A not to clean looking Gordian with missing cockpit window and figure with no missiles for 450000 Yen a couple of months ago. As this thread mentions, A not clean godsigma with broken horn, no sword went for over 640000 yen about a month ago.
So although the Daltanious is broken, it does look clean and isn't missing anything. You're probably not going to find any other cheaper in better condition for under $5000.
So not exactly a steal but not too over market value either.
I'm more surprised at a combattler head going for about $200. Maybe bandai should just reissue all the jumbo heads. I wouldn't mind displaying the heads on my desk at work.
I'm also curious how you guys know the C3 is fake. Word of mouth? Heard the same for the Doublas on auction now.
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Post by mikedeco on Jun 26, 2014 14:49:52 GMT -5
C3 is one of the hardest to find villain. In the past 15 years I've probably see like les than 10 for sale on auctions, maybe something like 5 or 6 max. In the past 12 months there's been a few for sale, most of them from suspicious sellers that have already sold fake villains.
There's been a huge amount of fake Doublas M2, Spartan K5 and Kingdan X10 during those past 3 years. And more recently there's been a few fake Q9 and C3.
I've spend a huge amount of hours looking at all the pictures I've been able to gather during the years to create my own replica of them and I've study every single detail on them.
For the C3, there's a specific detail in one area and all the recent for sale were missing that detail.
I'm not going to mention which detail here on an open forum as there can be a little tiny chance that somebody responsible for those fake can read this. And let's say that when you take a close look at them and you compare them with the real ones, you can spot the differences.
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Post by zambot3 on Jun 26, 2014 15:35:03 GMT -5
Wow. That would make it hard to collect any villain. How do they repro these? Doesn't it cost a lot of money? Is it cause it is vinyl it is easier than the hero jumbos? What would stop these guys from making the hero jumbos?
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Post by mikedeco on Jun 26, 2014 15:59:14 GMT -5
Yes I think that the main reason is that they're vinyl and regarding the price, not sure it's that expensive to make mold out of a real specimen.
As for the price, when you see how much a fake is going for, with only a very few sold, all the expenses are covered.
I know there's some repro of Heroes also, I think a guy did the Gundam Jumbo and a Tryder, probably also a Grendizer but at least he's not trying to sell them as the real deal and he's not trying to sell them.
To be honnest, I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a fake Q9 or C3 as they are well done, but certainly not for that price and certainly not if they're labeled as originals. But when it comes to big money like this, people can be malicious.
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Post by bowhntr66 on Jun 26, 2014 16:29:52 GMT -5
Yes I think that the main reason is that they're vinyl and regarding the price, not sure it's that expensive to make mold out of a real specimen. As for the price, when you see how much a fake is going for, with only a very few sold, all the expenses are covered. I know there's some repro of Heroes also, I think a guy did the Gundam Jumbo and a Tryder, probably also a Grendizer but at least he's not trying to sell them as the real deal and he's not trying to sell them. To be honnest, I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a fake Q9 or C3 as they are well done, but certainly not for that price and certainly not if they're labeled as originals. But when it comes to big money like this, people can be malicious. The gentleman that is making the Gundam and Tryder is actually making a total of 4 repro Jumbos. You're right Mike, he "advertises" them as repro made from molds of the original. From what I understand, they're very good repros, but heavy. Easy to tell them apart from an original just by lifting them. I've actually talked to him a couple of tomes while looking for a Tekkaman blade. He's a very nice guy who does it for the love of the jumbo, not to make a fortune. But being from Italy, he's a bit tough to understand at times lol. These villains are just a melicious rip-off, designed to take advantage of collectors, IMHO!! Luckily I have friends to warn me when I don't notice something "off". Many don't have that. So, thank you sir, for speaking up. |
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Post by zambot3 on Jun 26, 2014 16:59:30 GMT -5
Although the guy making the repros aren't doing so without telling people. The only danger is someone buying one of his repros and reselling not letting people know its a repro. Especially when selling things online where you can't take that close of an inspection. Same with some of these other repros like missiles, wings etc. Unless someone making the repro with a distinguishing stamp, you will probably get resellers trying to pass off repros as real no matter how scrupulous the original makers intentions are. I haven't bought the repro great mazinger wing and it does seem like a great item to get. Can you tell the difference between that an an original popy? I know the U5 version is stamped as U5.
It's just the nature if the beast. When there is money, you will get unscrupulous people involved. Look at MISB G1 transformers, people,are cranking these out like crazy. Some of these repros are so good, some have even fooled AFA.
This isn't a message telling people to stop making repros. Just warning buyers to be more careful with their purchases.
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Post by h00dwink on Jun 26, 2014 18:06:40 GMT -5
I've been watching the prices on eBay and YHJ since I have gotten back into collecting. Keep in mind, I was hardcore a decade ago and while prices were high then, some have blown my mind as to how high they are right now. $10,000 for a MIB Voltes V?..wow. It's hard to say if this is a "bubble" or not. I personally think the prices will stay high for a while, but may come down in the future. Who knows. All I know is that when it comes to getting a personal MIB "holy grail" for yourself, it's going to take a while to save the money. I have bought a number a things in the past few months to kick start my collecting again, but I am waiting on bargains and being patient too.
Speaking of these knock-offs, I really wish someone WOULD produce a limited run of villains that are near exact to the originals. Just like Uni-Five did with heroes. There are a lot of collectors that would snatch them up. Me included. Also, you can't tell me that if a company like Jakk's made a 31" Mazinga that is would not sell...I know it would.
Speaking of buying, one I owned back when, that I am seeking again in good condition is the Dunbine JM. If anyone has one for sale, I will give a fair price. Prefer with figure.
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Post by joweone on Jun 26, 2014 21:35:42 GMT -5
I'd love repro'd villains since many OGs are way out of my reach, and I'd even be happy if something was maybe painted a diff color or had a very obvious adjustment so you could tell at first glance. Hell i like my U5 garada even though he is no where near as cool as OG K7,If he only captured the essence a little more and didn't seem quite such a modern interpretation.
I just HATE the people passing frauds as real to rake in the cash.You could still make a good bit off custom obvious "tributes" , they aren't cheap to make but a lot of people would be into them.One of these days I will have villains back into the collection…I droll at everyone I see on the auction block. Kingdan you will be mine one day..I can't think of a villain I don't like.
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Post by bowhntr66 on Jun 30, 2014 9:44:56 GMT -5
Was it just me or was 77100¥ a bit high for the Godmarz that just ended? I would have bet that 50000¥ would have taken it!
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Post by zambot3 on Jun 30, 2014 10:37:37 GMT -5
I think it was a fair price considering one w the chest piece was going for more 300000 yen or so. Probably not going to get that one any cheaper. The MIB Voltes V went for some good money. The fake villains also went for a decent amount.
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Post by h00dwink on Jun 30, 2014 15:30:56 GMT -5
I simply cannot understand how fake villains are going for thousands of dollars? It is not making sense to me. Am I missing something here? Who pays $2500+ for a fake Doublas M2?
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Post by MazinKaiserSKL666 on Jun 30, 2014 20:14:18 GMT -5
There's no making sense of jumbo collecting right now. I've watched 4 or 5 Kamen Rider V3's sell on YJ over the last few months all sell for ¥30000 to ¥60000 loose and in decent shape but now a few weeks later one sells on EBay loose for $1,400.00 USD?!?!!!? And multiple people bid on it too. Now yesterday a boxed one sells on YJ for about the same $$. Thankfully I'm patient as most of you guys are. I have a want list and a lot of patience.
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Post by zambot3 on Jul 1, 2014 3:33:31 GMT -5
Yes. Patience is the key. Let those who want to pay those prices pay it. That kamen rider was in great condition so maybe that made the price high. Lots of collectors are condition obsessed and will pay thousands more for something in better condition. I wonder if those villain bootleggers would make more money selling those as bootlegs to the jumbo collecting community and w a cheaper price tag. I know I would get a few. Some of us poorer collectors are happy just to have the jumbo whether it is a bootleg or not. That's why I think the godmars that went was a good deal. It only needed the chest piece to make it decent. The person who bought this has some work to do if he wants to get it back in tip top shape. page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f142103621 |
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Post by joweone on Jul 1, 2014 11:34:02 GMT -5
The Godmars also had a pretty good crack in the head to be fixed as well.
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Post by zambot3 on Jul 1, 2014 14:49:17 GMT -5
The Godmars also had a pretty good crack in the head to be fixed as well. True. Guess the owner will have to tell people that it his Godmars is battle damaged from fighting one too many kaiju. I think the toy can be displayed without fixing that crack. Was was watching the bidding war for this. Not surprised at the final price. page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k179366765 |
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Post by joweone on Jul 18, 2014 9:53:56 GMT -5
937,999 for pretty minty Combattler. I wouldn't have expected over 5k for it.
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Post by bowhntr66 on Jul 18, 2014 10:03:27 GMT -5
937,999 for pretty minty Combattler. I wouldn't have expected over 5k for it. Same here bro!! Kind of shocked me!! |
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Post by joweone on Jul 18, 2014 10:06:09 GMT -5
Most pieces in this hobby if you were rich enough and patient enough I think you could score close to MIB, but every time I see these prices going up I can't help but think of what a OG Garada K7 would fetch nowadays since its not something you can just buy. I'm not sure any one who owns one would part with it after searching a lifetime for it.If i remember correctly when 2 of the 3 sold they were 16k and 30k 10 years ago. Everything seems to be 6x in price now for high interest pieces( some prices are still almost the same as 10 years ago) could this push it into 90k-180k range? Is there a ceiling to this hobby?
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Post by bowhntr66 on Jul 18, 2014 10:15:51 GMT -5
I've been wondering the same. Look at the Spazers.... Lately I've been very seriously thinking of changing my collecting intrests, or at least my wish list. Small time collectors like myself are getting to the point that we don't stand a chance unless we find a good payment plan! Up until lately I was considering building another display case to expand my collection out.... Now I'm thinking of filling the few spaces I have left and calling it done enough.
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