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Post by tetsuryu on Oct 8, 2014 11:47:06 GMT -5
I've been thinking about something for a while.
Diaclone Construction Vehicle Robo (ie. Devastator) is composed of six robots that also transform into vehicles. While there have been combiners before, I've not seen one where each of the components has their own alt mode as well before. Robots like Combattler V are made up of vehicles, and Godmars was made up of smaller robots, but is Construction Vehicle Robo the first to both combine and transform?
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 8, 2014 12:34:31 GMT -5
I am pretty sure you are right but if you want to split hairs, I would say it's a toss up between Diaclone Construction Robo (aka Devastator) and Diaclone Train Robo (Japanese Transformers Raiden).
For the Hasbro Transformers line, Devastator, is definitely the first combiner, and also the first combiner where the combining parts have alt modes.
As an aside, remember that the Popy Raideen is considered the very first transforming toy (of any kind) ever made, and Hasbro considers Sunstreaker as the very first "Transformer" branded toy ever made.
Who is the first combining Popy toy? DX Combattra, right?
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Oct 8, 2014 14:16:43 GMT -5
Are we talking Transformers only here? Or just robot fiction in general? GaoGaiGar featured robots which could transform into vehicle mode, but also combine to form a bigger, stronger robot: Hyoryu and Enryu could transform into an emergency crane truck and a fire truck, respectively, but could also perform "symmetrical docking" and become Choryujin, a single robot. The same goes for Furyu and Rairyu (cement mixer truck and dumper truck), which featured both vehicle and robot modes, and could combine through symmetrical docking as well. Volfogg, another robot from the same show, could become a police car, but could also become part of Big Volfogg, a bigger robot resulted from the combination of the aforementioned Volfy, Gunglue and Gundober. These last 2 were smaller support robots, which could also transform, respectively, into a helicopter and a motorbike. I'm pretty sure Brave Exkaiser featured robots with similar abilities, but I didn' watch it yet, so I can't confirm  |
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 8, 2014 15:17:50 GMT -5
Are we talking Transformers only here? Or just robot fiction in general? I think we are actually talking with respect to vintage toys, for which Gaogaigar and Brave are a bit more modern than what tetsuryu is asking about. |
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Post by tetsuryu on Oct 9, 2014 1:21:12 GMT -5
Yeah, and even if we weren't, Devastator would still predate them easily by a good decade at least. |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Oct 9, 2014 4:28:19 GMT -5
Dancouga has a combined mode and each part can transform between 3 different mods (vehicle and beast and robonoid)
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Post by tetsuryu on Oct 9, 2014 5:27:43 GMT -5
But again, Dancouga is from 1985 - a whole year after Transformers premiered.
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Post by chogokinabdul on Oct 9, 2014 6:19:28 GMT -5
yes .. it is indeed ... I can't find any one before though !
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Post by Inwards on Oct 9, 2014 14:59:22 GMT -5
Zambot 3 from '77? The head robot turns into a spaceship. Only of the three pieces, though.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 9, 2014 15:34:00 GMT -5
Zambot 3 from '77? The head robot turns into a spaceship. Only of the three pieces, though. That's a pretty good one to mention! Forgot about zanbo-ace. Because someone will probably ask, remember that combattra was 1976 and voltes was 1977 but, as tetsuryu pointed out, they aren't combiners where the separate pieces have alt modes. So I guess at the moment we can say that Zanbot is the first combiner where one portion had its own alt mode. As far as full combiners where all their parts have alt modes (tetsuryu's original question), I think that we are still looking at diaclone construction robo and train robo, figure they came out in 1980 and were sold through approx. 1982. |
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Post by tetsuryu on Oct 9, 2014 15:39:26 GMT -5
Good call on Zambot.
Speaking of which, I was trying to find photos of the old Clover toy but couldn't find any.
If only there was some kind of a database...some kind of a gallery...that focused entirely on vintage Japanese robot toys...but oh, where would I ever find such a thing...?
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Oct 9, 2014 16:10:09 GMT -5
I thought about Zambot 3 too, but since only Zambo Ace had an alt-mode, the other 2 parts being only a ginormous tank with drills on the front and a support air-ship, I didn't mention it. The original question was, all combining parts must have alt-modes, possibly switching from vehicle to humanoid robot.
This reminds me... We need a new SoC Zambot 3 Bandai, we neeeeed it!
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Post by reVolVer on Oct 9, 2014 16:27:08 GMT -5
its close.. although not robot modes,, this pre-transformer robot's 3 vehicle components does have alternate modes.... Ideon.
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Post by reVolVer on Oct 9, 2014 16:34:06 GMT -5
here's another one that was earlier,, Albegas' pilots minor mech.. Abega.  |
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Oct 9, 2014 17:00:43 GMT -5
here's another one that was earlier,, Albegas' pilots minor mech.. Abega. Wow, great find reVolVer, this fits perfectly in what tetsuryu asked! Vehicle and robot modes, and a combiner. Sure the combined form is not a robot, just a bigger vehicle, but... still counts probably. You also mentioned Ideon, and how the 3 individual vehicles undergo transformation to become head-n-arms, torso and legs of the giant robot. But those form are nothing more than body parts, it's not really an alternate mode. If they did count, then Getter Robo could be on this list as well, since Eagle, Jaguar and Bear do change shape before combining in any of the three possible forms. Particularly, Bear Machine, is a jet fighter ship, right? But with the simple pull of a lever, Getter 1's legs pop out from the thruster nozzles. And that thing can walk  but does it classify as some sort of "robot mode"? Probably not. But seriously, it's so hilarious to see. I dubbed it "Getter Potato" |
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 9, 2014 21:57:59 GMT -5
here's another one that was earlier,, Albegas' pilots minor mech.. Abega. That's a great one, and a favorite toy of mine! As far as age though, it might be # 3 after construction robo and train robo. From what I understand, Popy PC-39 Nee Super Abega Jetrobo (aka Godaikin Abega) was released in 1983 in Japan. |
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 9, 2014 21:59:23 GMT -5
here's another one that was earlier,, Albegas' pilots minor mech.. Abega. Wow, great find reVolVer, this fits perfectly in what tetsuryu asked! Vehicle and robot modes, and a combiner. Sure the combined form is not a robot, just a bigger vehicle, but... still counts probably. You also mentioned Ideon, and how the 3 individual vehicles undergo transformation to become head-n-arms, torso and legs of the giant robot. But those form are nothing more than body parts, it's not really an alternate mode. If they did count, then Getter Robo could be on this list as well, since Eagle, Jaguar and Bear do change shape before combining in any of the three possible forms. Particularly, Bear Machine, is a jet fighter ship, right? But with the simple pull of a lever, Getter 1's legs pop out from the thruster nozzles. And that thing can walk but does it classify as some sort of "robot mode"? Probably not. But seriously, it's so hilarious to see. I dubbed it "Getter Potato" Getter Robos work but not on the toy side. I don't think there was a legit combining getter until much later (someone tell me if I am wrong here though). |
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Oct 9, 2014 22:00:04 GMT -5
This thread is going great, keep it up! Keep thinking everyone!
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Post by chogokinabdul on Oct 9, 2014 23:31:41 GMT -5
space runaway Ideon was from 1980 anime and all three components have alt modes ! but none of the modes is a a robot mode
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Post by reVolVer on Oct 10, 2014 9:33:57 GMT -5
Tnx guys.  here's another one that was earlier,, Albegas' pilots minor mech.. Abega. You also mentioned Ideon, and how the 3 individual vehicles undergo transformation to become head-n-arms, torso and legs of the giant robot. But those form are nothing more than body parts, it's not really an alternate mode. Nope. Each vehicle has an alternate mode.. not just becoming body parts for Ideon.  space runaway Ideon was from 1980 anime and all three components have alt modes ! but none of the modes is a a robot mode yup. |
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