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Post by truecrud on Mar 22, 2015 23:56:29 GMT -5
It's been a bit dead here for a bit so I though I would start something. As I progress in this hobby of jumbo collecting, I have reached a point where there is something keeping me from the jumbos I want. I find the cause of this predicament to be one of two simple things. Either the jumbo I want is ridiculously expensive or just not available. At this time my number one must have jumbo is Poseidon. I have seen more of this jumbo show up on ebay or posted by members of this board in the past year than in the past five but I still haven't managed to get my hands on one. (mostly because I had just spent over $1000 on a jumbo when two of these showed up on ebay. I am afraid to get on yahoo japan because of some of the horror stories that people have told about the proxy bidding companies. SO I sit and wait until it is my turn to get one. So my question to the members here is: What is stopping you from getting your dream jumbo?
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Post by bowhntr66 on Mar 23, 2015 3:27:22 GMT -5
What usually stopped me was a little bit of both. Usually when it came up, I had just bought different one. Or it went for way more than I was willing to pay. I've been very lucky this year though scoring both a Dangard and a Poseidon. Both from Friends who grabbed them from YJ for me because I wasn't ready when they came up.
Tom
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Post by thinkerer on Mar 23, 2015 10:32:42 GMT -5
Apart from what both have mentioned above...the next 2 things that stops me are
1) High shipping costs and risk of damage/ loss
2) Dishonesty in talking about the figure (like any repro parts, re-paints etc
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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Mar 23, 2015 20:27:47 GMT -5
I have never had proxy bid issues from Rinkya for what it is worth. My thing is price & condition. Often I'm looking for original toys for a very fair price.
My chogokin buying has dried up and I'm just looking for a double-something jumbo.
Ed
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Post by joweone on Mar 23, 2015 22:29:55 GMT -5
Price. The ones I'm after are a bit out of reach for me at this time, hopefully I can remedy that soon, I need a new JM on the shelf.
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Post by samazinga on Mar 24, 2015 0:18:23 GMT -5
My dream Jumbo Problem is that I don't at this moment really have a dream Jumbo. I'd really like to get my hands on a couple of them but nothing is at this point just jumping out at me. Not to say that I don't have wants, it's just that if I stepped into the Popy territory I'm afraid I could never get out. I'm not a high-roller so saving up money is definitely an issue, mostly because I just lack the patience needed to wait it out and see what happens. I'm waiting on replacement decals so I'm keepin myself happy knowing they should be here soon to brighten up my poor LJN Voltron.
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Post by MazinKaiserSKL666 on Mar 24, 2015 12:28:55 GMT -5
I'm stopping me. My "must haves" are bought and in my collection already. That leaves two categories left. The realistically prices ones I want and the unobtainably (for now) priced ones I want but am not even bothering to look for right now ie. Voltes V or Daikumaryu. Starting a new career and wedding coming up and moving again equals no $5,000+ jumbo purchases for me any time in near future. As for the realistically priced wants ie. say Poseidon I have a number in my head that I'll pay for each. I can't go over it. I'm patient. I wait. I always EVENTUALLY find one at that number or less. Maybe it's me but I've had a lot more luck at this lately. The usual suspects are still fetching silly $$ but overall the frenzy has lessened a bit. I don't see ppl jumping all over an average condition Nakajima Tekkaman on Ebay for $600 because it is considered a jumbo anymore. At least not lately. Lol. It does amuse me to see the same auctions running over and over with these common jumbos (Tekkaman, Gorg, Getter Go etc.priced $600+ hoping for that frenzy again. Keep waiting. LOL!!!
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Mar 24, 2015 12:51:27 GMT -5
Patience is a true art in this hobby. As far as collecting toys goes, I have done tons of lines with everything from common to incredibly rare pieces. I am patient. Much more so than a lot of people I met over the years. I have seen more people waste money and make impulse purchases and stupid decisions on buys that they will never make up. I could never collect like that. I will wait for an item to come up at the right price or right condition - timing is everything. As a result I often pay much less for my items than most people. I am good at turning over rocks, so to speak. You do have to let money limit you because we all don't have an endless supply and life issues etc. must take priority. I do have some other things I am working on at the moment so if I buy anything I am spending/buying a little less than I normally would. Another thing that limits me is that I have owned so much (and still do) that I am able to pace myself and know exactly what I want so there is no pressure. Most of the stuff I need doesn't come up that often anyways so it's easy for me to brush off a bad piece - unless you're getting a placeholder that's in really good shape, it's not really a placeholder - unless it's free or something, you know? The downtime you have to be careful with because it results in getting a little stir crazy when there are dry spells (meaning not even a cool inexpensive item or two is available for sale). I'm going through a dry spell now as the stuff being offered on eBay and the Internet is the same stuff making the rounds again. So I just look at some of my favorites at home and smile.  As I told many of you before, this is actually a good thing because we save money and have it set aside for something we actually want/need when the time comes. Although our reasons will all somewhat mirror each other's with this thread, they each have their own unique details that need to be shared. Much like the collecting advice thread, we need to continue to post our opinions and experiences here. There are a ton of members (both current and new) who would benefit from taking some time to read this thread as it grows regardless of what category of robots or toys they collect. |
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Post by bourno on Mar 24, 2015 14:36:43 GMT -5
I have my dream jumbos already. Well, but once you have them, then you start to dream about other jumbos to have. Vicious cycle.
I have bought a few jumbos off Yahoo Japan via Rinkya as well and so far, been a positive experience. Their shipping prices are pretty good and pack very well. Has gotten much easier to bid at the last minute versus needing to make bids ahead of time from a couple years ago.
I do have a couple last dream jumbos to put on my shelf, but they would be costly and if I don't get them, it is not a biggie. I have plenty going on with the jumbo world for repair parts, some projects, and custom stuff, so I get too much "jumbo fix" and actually need breaks away from them ;-)
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Post by magengar on Mar 24, 2015 21:35:35 GMT -5
As much as I like jumbos, I can't see myself owning tons of them as they would
already take up space in my home. I'm content with owning just a few original jumbos,
and perhaps at least one or two custom or modified jumbos- the common ones such as
Great Maz. I would have to develop a feel for Wanting to start myself a jumbo collection.
Time (refurbishing a jumbo), Resources (plastic materials), and Money are factors
I have to consider before I take the jumbo plunge.
And if I ever do take the plunge, I would first want to refurbish and/or modify
the few beater jumbos I already have. And I'm in no hurry for them.
Right now, Time is my biggest object since I've started working two part-time jobs;
and now I'm averaging 10-hour workdays 5 and 6 days per week with just one full day
off from work... so of course, at my old age I just wanna spend that off day
at home relaxing and sleeping in. lol
zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Mar 25, 2015 12:49:29 GMT -5
if one isnt rich,or already doesnt own at least 5 jumbos there is no point in collecting them.The prices are just not worth what you get,at all,how can it even be fun to collect jumbos?3d printed ones will be the option soon.
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Post by seth2700 on Mar 26, 2015 10:42:15 GMT -5
I'm 18 so I had zero jumbos till a few months ago and I'm veeryy far from rich but if your patient you can get a good price beater piece then piece them together so I enjoy collecting jumbos, but I'm nowhere near buying popys just the Mattels and bootlegs. Also space and availability of the pieces are my biggest issues
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Post by B- on Mar 26, 2015 15:48:08 GMT -5
yes im speaking of a serious collection with popys,their original boxes etc. its not worth starting unless your goals arent very lofty.what your doing could be fun if you dont expect much,
But if I got into this Id have to have a world class or at least very compeitive collection and that isnt possible,even not considering money they are just very rare,and collectors arent parting with theirs,
Its also a pain in the ass going through yahoo japan,middlemen etc,its just not happening if you want a substantial Jumbo collection,even being rich it would not be fun to do with all the hurdles,you certainly cant form a good set from ebay..
This is why i collect gokins,and it looks like you actually have something in the end instead of 12 restickered cracked plastic statues,with reprint boxes you spent a fortune on,and only half your collection is original...but thats just me.for 20 grand you can have a sick modern gokin collection of 100-200 plus robots,for the same you can have 4 to 6 rare jumbos?
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Post by mikedeco on Mar 26, 2015 19:24:16 GMT -5
What a strange point of view. I mean, everybody is free to collect what they want regardeless of the price. The point of collecting for me is to be able to gather something that you like. So maybe you're not into Jumbos and you think it's pointless, but for other people it's pointless to collect gokins. People are spending fortunes on paintings or cars, well if some want to spend their money on Jumbos it's cool.
To come back to the topic, I think that patience and dedication is paying off when you collect those big guys. There's various way of collecting them, like trying to find some beat up ones and give them a second life, then try to buy one every now and then but perfect, there's even some people rushing to get them super fast and super clean, it's really amazing to see that. But I guess that it's the case in every kind of collection.
A few struggle I had was that I was often outbidded on some pieces I really wanted but with a bit of luck and patience, a better deal came to me later. I've never struggle with my middleman, it went super smoothly all the time. It's true that the fee and the shipping can hurt a bit sometimes, but it was forgotten when I was opening the package.
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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Mar 26, 2015 22:16:46 GMT -5
I agree with Mike. Everyone picks their poison no matter how hard it is to swallow - meaning we all can collect whatever we want, whether the items are worthless or priceless.
What matters is you like them, they're worth something to you (having monetary value not required), and you can afford to be however "deep" you happen to be "in", so to speak - as long as you stay in control and your collecting doesn't have an adverse effect on your life.
I know where you are coming from Baron - and I mostly agree with you on collecting gokin, but that's because it's what I happen to like - but that doesn't mean I wouldn't try to collect jumbos if I liked them. If I liked them a lot, of course I would collect them.
And I always had huge collections but for me with gokin, it's quality over quantity. Same can be said for jumbos even if they were all thousands less price wise. Every collectible has its gems as well as the crap.
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Post by B- on Mar 27, 2015 19:40:21 GMT -5
What a strange point of view. I mean, everybody is free to collect what they want regardeless of the price. The point of collecting for me is to be able to gather something that you like. So maybe you're not into Jumbos and you think it's pointless, but for other people it's pointless to collect gokins. People are spending fortunes on paintings or cars, well if some want to spend their money on Jumbos it's cool. To come back to the topic, I think that patience and dedication is paying off when you collect those big guys. There's various way of collecting them, like trying to find some beat up ones and give them a second life, then try to buy one every now and then but perfect, there's even some people rushing to get them super fast and super clean, it's really amazing to see that. But I guess that it's the case in every kind of collection. A few struggle I had was that I was often outbidded on some pieces I really wanted but with a bit of luck and patience, a better deal came to me later. I've never struggle with my middleman, it went super smoothly all the time. It's true that the fee and the shipping can hurt a bit sometimes, but it was forgotten when I was opening the package. Ofcourse everyoen has a right to collect what they want to i think jumbos are very cool,but for the SUPER inflated price they fetch? ExampleI used to collect German Military,I used to have no problem dropping tens of thousands on uniforms,BUT there value has grown steadily over 60 years to a point where history/value makes sense.I also collect records,80s Freestyle Bmx bikes etc. The prices Jumbos go for and the time span they have had to inflate in price makes NO sense,even ones made in the past 20 years are going for stupid prices..and why?? Ebay did this!!,as soon as some goon puts 5 thousand on a jumbo and someone else follows suit,it raises asking prices,soon the market is crazy.All Im saying is its VERY hard to swallow 5-10,000 on a 20some inch hollow piece of plastic,a VERY cool piece of plastic but??? Im the FIRST to overspend,but that is just ridiculous,how can oen expect to collect HEALTHILY? Is one or 2 toys a year even really collecting? I guess it depends on the collector,but to me it seems like slow accumulation...I have been a collector of many things for many years I can safely say this Jumbo hobby is just not only hard to swallow for cost BUt availability! AND you cant even readily buy boxed mint Jumbos,you need to restore them with repro parts? That is fine if you dont mind,But I would always know they are not 100% true..that is just my way of thinking,but when you have to resort to ALWAYS restoring and hardly ever getting the real thing,because of cost or availability?I couldnt collect like that..For collecting to be FUN it cant KILL your wallet,there has to be availability,both seem like big negatives in teh Jumbo world now for a begining collector,how can one not agree?? |
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Post by zambot3 on Apr 3, 2015 10:14:37 GMT -5
Baron wrote: Ofcourse everyoen has a right to collect what they want to i think jumbos are very cool,but for the SUPER inflated price they fetch? ExampleI used to collect German Military,I used to have no problem dropping tens of thousands on uniforms,BUT there value has grown steadily over 60 years to a point where history/value makes sense.I also collect records,80s Freestyle Bmx bikes etc. The prices Jumbos go for and the time span they have had to inflate in price makes NO sense,even ones made in the past 20 years are going for stupid prices..and why?? Read more: robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/23375/question-board#ixzz3WG6yCcTmNot sure why you think jumbos are overinflated while the stuff you like that go for tens of thousands of dollars are not. To me, the stuff you mentioned i wouldn't pay anything for. German military uniforms mean squat to a guy who grew up in Hong Kong. I think in a way you answered your own question. We pay for what we like. To many who grew up in the 70s and 80s, jumbos may have been their favorite toy and I don't fault those wanting to spend a lot on these. To say something is overinflated in value is a matter of opinion. What jumbos made 20 years ago are over priced? Last I checked, the most expensive ones are at least 35 years old. Not just toys but you can always find something cheaper if you want to wait based on scarcity. Some of those jumbos are obviously more scarce than others which is why we aren't paying thousands for shogun warriors. |
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Post by admin1 aka Ed on Apr 9, 2015 17:49:49 GMT -5
One point to mention on jumbos is supply. Has anyone gotten a handle on jumbo production quantities? Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger were produced in vast quantities.
But when you get to other types, subtract out how many were battered, and pull out the trashed ones, we may not have that much population. Wait until AFA gets on this one…...
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Post by B- on Apr 9, 2015 21:57:03 GMT -5
Baron wrote: Ofcourse everyoen has a right to collect what they want to i think jumbos are very cool,but for the SUPER inflated price they fetch? ExampleI used to collect German Military,I used to have no problem dropping tens of thousands on uniforms,BUT there value has grown steadily over 60 years to a point where history/value makes sense.I also collect records,80s Freestyle Bmx bikes etc. The prices Jumbos go for and the time span they have had to inflate in price makes NO sense,even ones made in the past 20 years are going for stupid prices..and why?? Read more: robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/23375/question-board#ixzz3WG6yCcTmNot sure why you think jumbos are overinflated while the stuff you like that go for tens of thousands of dollars are not. To me, the stuff you mentioned i wouldn't pay anything for. German military uniforms mean squat to a guy who grew up in Hong Kong. I think in a way you answered your own question. We pay for what we like. To many who grew up in the 70s and 80s, jumbos may have been their favorite toy and I don't fault those wanting to spend a lot on these. To say something is overinflated in value is a matter of opinion. What jumbos made 20 years ago are over priced? Last I checked, the most expensive ones are at least 35 years old. Not just toys but you can always find something cheaper if you want to wait based on scarcity. Some of those jumbos are obviously more scarce than others which is why we aren't paying thousands for shogun warriors. Ww2 is a historical battle that affected the world and is history..artifacts from world history over 70 years old makes sense for being worth much money..but Jumbos are just toys a niche market..you won't find them in museums around the globe.What I'm saying is I can understand inflated prices on historical items like that..30 plus year old Japanese toys make no sense commanding such inflated prices..it isn't logical they should cost so much even in low supply..and even if they are loved to death and super cool...its not us who decided this inflation its morons on eBay or a greedy man who decided their worth which has only risen so much in a few years ...I'm not saying they aren't awesome its just the prices are stupid..do you like paying that much? Do you feel they have such value? |
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Post by ahoran77 on Apr 10, 2015 17:39:03 GMT -5
Dude, it's not an eBay conspiracy or false inflation based on errors. It's simple supply and demand economics. Supply low - demand high among a group of passionate collectors. Significance (whether historical, nostalgic, aesthetic or otherwise) is in the eye of the beholder. If it's not your thing, don't worry about it. Not trying to be dismissive or jerky about it but, again, the economic principle is pretty straightforward.
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