What's Rare

[zambot3]

Seeing 4 Daidenjins on YHJ in a span of less than 3 months shows this jumbo isn't really so rare.  They all went for a decent amount of money but it just goes to show how little we know what is and what isn't rare.    I remember reading that ultraman leo is rare but that theory seems debunked as a few of them have shown up in a year.  
One thing we do know, it's not just rarity jumbo prices are driven by but popularity of the character as well.  Seems like lots more things are showing up.  Have a friend who's collecting strategy is to obtain all the jumbos that were also released as Godaikins.  Hope we all can get the jumbos we want. 

[Mr. Ginrai]

Maybe they are still actually really rare but the selling price has gotten high enough that people are willing to sell them.

When you throw enough money at people they will part with things that were previously important to them, either personally or from collecting.

Remember, $5,000 to 10,000 U.S. is a life changing amount of money for most people.

[mikedeco]

It's something that I've observe a few times with several jumbos. When you have one that sell for a huge amount of money, be sure that there will be another one not so long after.
When I've buy my Leo, I've been waiting for a long long time, mine ended for a high price at that time, and the week right after, another one showed up.
I'm pretty sure like Ginrai say, when people see what some of their item is going for, they might be ready to sell them.
But it's true that what we think was rare a few years ago might not seem rare today. And on the opposite, some pieces that we were thinking that were easy to get, are turning out harder and harder these days.

[zambot3]

I can see what you mean Ginrai but a God Sigma boxed and broken and loose went for similar prices and we haven't seen any more come. Just a bit fascinating because the Daidenjin is suppose to be the signature rare piece for the Robot Factory and just seeing so many come up the last few weeks is astonishing. These jumbos have had crazy prices for at least a 3 year span. Surprised we haven't seen more come out. Jumboland lists God Sigma as one of the easiest to get. How things change in a 15 year span when that was written. Hope you are right Ginrai, maybe I will be able to afford a Daidenjin if more and more come out for sale.

This whole rarity thing, I only thing I know for sure is any Shogun Warrior, US or Europe isn't rare. 

Also interesting you can get a Leo for well under the price of a daidenjin, God sigma or Voltes. I wonder why Leo was ever considered rare. 

[mikedeco]

Rare doesn't mean it's expensive. Leo have been considered like a rare one but it's not a popular one. I remember seeing one sold for 160.000 Yens before I decided to go for it. I think that price is mainly driven by popularity and demand and not by rarity.
Voltes V is one of the highly sought after and it always end up high, but he's not that rare. Leo is rarer but always go for much less.

God Sigma is also a popular one. I've see more God Sigma for sale than Daidenjin all those years.
What's interesting is that 15 years ago the Robot Factory line was not really well considered and today it's one that is really going high.

If you look back at the list of Jumboland. In the top hard to get, there's a few over there that are actually easy to get if you have the money as they show up quite often like Getta 3, Doublas, Daiku Maryu or the Spazer. Well for the last one you need a very big wallet, but the other are quite doable.

[joweone]

Robot factory prices have gone nuts, as well as the later run JMs, they're not necessarily super rare( but 4 in a year isn't really that many, especially when maybe 1 a year or none is the norm) just highly in demand.
Leo is one of my major wants. Just having 2 pop up doesn't make him less rare( there are 2 variations as well that factor into price) I've seen a few years between some of his listings.
10 years ago Jumboland was slowly getting out of sync with JM collecting being made on data and markets from the few years prior. The last 10 years a lot has happened, tons of new collectors and more discoveries. I think a list of rarities and in demand pieces would look totally different today.
What was the timespan on the Garada auctions and how many have we seen since? Popularity and rarity seem to get mixed up a lot.
I hope I hit it big in the lotto, I have about 10 or so left to get and I need villains in my life too. Maybe I can convince the wife we need to tack on a few $k to our home renovation loan for JMs..

[KingboyD]

Jul 29, 2015 0:47:42 GMT -5 joweone said:

Maybe I can convince the wife we need to tack on a few $k to our home renovation loan for JMs..

HAHAHAHA!! I am so with you.

[zambot3]

Yeah. Value sure has changed. I agree 4 Daidenjins in a year isn't much but this is 4 within a span of 3 months. That's a lot. None of these really ever show up on eBay either. I don't remember the last time Ebay had a great piece save for that Voltes V.

I think my new list off the top of my head of expensive Popy jumbos (not including villains is this)
1, Grendizer Spazer
1a. Daidenjin
2. Godsigma
2a. Daikumaru
3. Voltes V
4. Leopardon
5. Daltanious
6. Ultraman Leo
7. Gordian
7a. Getta 3
7b. Dangard Ace
8.. God Mars
9. Sun Vulcan
10. Battle Fever J
11. Ultraman Taro
12. Daimos (Popy)
12a Daitetsujin 17
13. Golion
14. Kamen Rider X
15. Combattler
16. Dol Dragon
16. Tetsujin 28
17. Poseidon
18. Getta 2
19. Getta 1
20. Ryger
21. Grendizer
Everything else is pretty easy to get so I"m not listing.

[mikedeco]

It's an interesting list and an interesting excercice. It depend a bit if you count them loose or boxed. This might change a lot on certain JM. For example I wouldn't put a Taro that high in the list except if it's boxed. A loose Daiku should be mush lower in the list also.
I've see loose Daiku sold for about 500.000 Yens which is much less than a Voltes V loose and even some Daltanious loose.
It's interesting that you place Lyger that low in the list. I remember that I've struggle a lot to get a nice one and back them it was more expensive that a Getta One or Two and way much harder to get than a Poseidon.k
Back then, Gordian was much much lower on a list like that and even lower was Battle Fever, that one was pretty common and cheap.

[zambot3]

My list wasn't based on it loose or boxed. Just what I've noticed w prices through the years on Ebay and YHJ. A Taro just sold for 200,000 yen so that's why I have it where it is. I think 15-21, you can obtain pretty easily. If I was starting a collection, those would be some of the last ones I would get. I never had any interest to get any of the villains so didn't want to put my two cents in on something I don't know too much about. The Daikumaru seems much scarcer to me than Voltes. I've seen a perfect loose Voltes for for $4500. Haven't seen many loose or boxed Daikumaru on sale lately. (except that one without the head for 300,000 yen)

[mikedeco]

Kamen Rider X is actually a cheap one to get, well I think it's still an easy one loose but boxed it's another story.
Oh and I just realize that you've forget the Mach Baron and Red Baron, those are also pretty sweet guys with the Mach Baron that can go quite high in the list. A Ultraman Leo with the box can also jump a few steps on the list as it's one of the rarer box to get.
It's also funny how Godmarz and Sunvulcan were quite low/middle range a few years back and now they can go much higher, especially Godmarz, he did get some more love recently.

[zambot3]

Yeah. I missed the Barons. Probably put Red Baron between Daitetsujin 17 and Golion. Mach Baron after Battle Fever.

The reason I have Leo low is cause I believe we saw a boxed Leo and Taro set go for 600,000 Yen. You'll never see boxed versions of any I listed above him go for any cheaper.

[joweone]

I don't remember if that Leo/Taro set sold or if it was ended early. Considering most hadn't seen a box for a Leo period, I tend to believe it was ended early for big bucks.

***looked back and my listing shows 1 Yen so it was definitely closed early.

Its always crazy to me to see how some of those pieces I passed on that were pretty common and cheap have moved into such high range items, and how some of the older more rare pieces have stayed close to same prices(minor increases).
Pretty decent list, I'm pretty certain we could sit here for days tweaking one up, two down. Wish we had solid production numbers of everything, even thought that means little to what has survived over the years.Would be interesting to see actual numbers on what is known to have survived the years,I'm sure that would effect the numbers.

[zambot3]

I believe the Leo was sold. You actually made a comment about how cheap it went for.

robotjapan.proboards.com/thread/21187/3-550-01?page=5

I think the rarer human type jumbos aren't as desired as the rarer super robots. The villains have pretty much stayed steady. I think part of it also, there are fake ones out there and people might be discouraged from buying. I for some reason never had any interest in getting one and see them not as Machinders like most do.

Voltes V continues to go for a decent amount even when a lot do show up. Although the Spazer is the crown jewel in most collections, I really have no interest of getting one. It's hard to display with the others just like the Daikumaru or any dragon.

[mikedeco]

There's this theory about the age of collectors that could explain why later production JM like the Robot Factory are going pretty high right now.
I mean, it could be that the kids that knew those toys or character back in the days have reach that moment in life where you have some high personnal income and that little bit of nostalgia you need to go back to those toys from your childhood.
Based on this theory, in a few years, demand will go low and price will go down.

I think that I've already mention that a few times in some post, but I've been always surprised when I've ask to Japanese people from my generation if they remember JM toys from their childhood, and all of them only remember the Mazinger Jumbo and they don't recall the others.
I really wonder how it was back in the days.

[joweone]

I'm curious to see what the next few years will bring, will we see prices drop? how low will they drop? Everything seems to have slowly risen to a degree but some of the later pieces are absurdly high IMO. Id love for things to come back to more obtainable prices so I can pick up some of the pieces I'm still after. Strange pulling up my old auction listings made it look like the Leo had ended early, but I guess it didn't when I first saw it close.
As much as I like the spazer and think its an amazing piece I'm in no rush to track one down, besides price it is a pretty big piece, Daiku on the other hand I would love to have one day.The other dragons are cool but not high in priority.
I can see why some don't like the villains, I myself am obsessed with them and their designs, but I also love vinyls.
The humanoids just have a funk that I dig, they really stand out on a shelf to me and if I ever find the time to finish my customs they are mostly humanoid ideas. I'd love to have a Taro body to mold and cast for some of my ideas but I don't see me messing up mine to learn mold making..

Who am I kidding. I think I love every dang JM for a different reason. Since my first I've been hooked.

*mindless rambling as I'm interrupted every 2 seconds by these 2 kids running around*

[zambot3]

I think Jumbos are expensive is based on part rarity and part popularity. I like your theory mikedeco but my friend a tin toy collector tells me tins from the 50s-60s haven't really gone down in value and many are expensive.
I think the RF jumbos will eventually go down and it may already have as I've seen some go for reasonable but still expensive prices.
You can get a loose Tetsujin 28 pretty cheap. His cartoon came out around the same time as many of the RF Robot shows. The reason he's one of the cheaper ones is cause there seem to be many of them.
If LJN never released a Golion, that would probably be a super expensive piece.
Remember, Jumbos aren't easy to keep in Japan since they take up a lot of space. Friend asked me why there isn't more loose random parts of RF Jumbos for sale as he's missing a piece or two from his Godsigma. I think part of it, people kept those like you would an erector set, put it together, take it back apart and put it back in the box. One thing I notice, the Sky Zero or Ground Zero robots, many are sold with missing heads, belts and fists.

[fredeliza]

Just out of curiosity, is the jumbo diapolon worth alot of money? The reason I ask is i saw a loose/unboxed one in Hong Kong in 2010 and it was priced at 10,000 usd. I don't know anything about jumbo so I was not too sure if that is what the regular going price for it is? Thanks for the info.

[Mr. Ginrai]

Do you mean the one that looks like a big vinyl? If so, yes. They are very rare, and it's actually a store display.

[fredeliza]

Oct 28, 2015 8:25:26 GMT -5 Mr. Ginrai said:

Do you mean the one that looks like a big vinyl? If so, yes. They are very rare, and it's actually a store display.

Hi. Thanks for the
Info. Yes. It did look like a big vinyl.The size was about 3 feet I think.