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Post by speedy1701 on Oct 7, 2016 8:03:10 GMT -5
You really need to get over it already. You keep acting as if the legs being there is some unforgivable blemish that ruins the entire figure. it does! if it was not made by bandai in the soc line, i could understand. but bandai is the best in making combiners and they missed a great chance by not going all the way. I don't like the old 1980's toys, so im dissapointed that what could've been the ultimate voltron ever made is not. Can someone highlight in a photo this gap people are speaking of? is it noticeable in uncombined/combined mode? Thanks. |
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Post by boricua on Oct 7, 2016 9:06:47 GMT -5
Uh huh...Bandai might be the best at making combiners but they're not magicians. Unless you would be willing to compromise with having optional covers that go over the lion legs, there is simply no room in those lion bodies to hide the limbs and maintain all the joints. yes, removable legs and covers is the only way to do it. and the separate lions could look better because the removable parts could be scaled in better proportions as well. bandai did this before with other combining or transforming soc figures, and they could've done it again if they had opted for anime voltron looks instead of godaikin toy looks. |
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Post by keniche on Oct 7, 2016 10:00:03 GMT -5
it does! if it was not made by bandai in the soc line, i could understand. but bandai is the best in making combiners and they missed a great chance by not going all the way. I don't like the old 1980's toys, so im dissapointed that what could've been the ultimate voltron ever made is not. Can someone highlight in a photo this gap people are speaking of? is it noticeable in uncombined/combined mode? Thanks. here sir.. the gap at black lion's shoulders.. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by faelon on Oct 7, 2016 11:04:52 GMT -5
Oh dear, are we back to obsessive compulsive complaining about the legs not disappearing again? It was an aesthetic choice. The original Chogokin remains Popy/Bandai's single best seller. In many minds that is the authoritative look. The legs disappear in the show through anime magic to reduce animation costs. But the SOC is seeking to be the best, most perfect version of the toy you loved to destruction. So chromed Lion Legs, visible.
I'm not sure covers would be a great option either, as they would require either removing the load bearing lion legs, or the panels would need to fully cover them, thus changing the shape of the arms and legs. It would also take a lot of accessory budget to do. Granted that might be your kink, but personally I prefer to see the accessory budget spent on the more advanced lion weapons that we have rarely ever gotten before.
Of course I also predict that this guy and Daizyujin will likely be fighting to be Bandai's all time best selling SOC's. With likely multiple production runs each. There might be a niche there for an enterprising 3p provider to branch out from Transformers and make a set of add on parts.
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Post by xephon0930 on Oct 7, 2016 12:16:02 GMT -5
Oh dear, are we back to obsessive compulsive complaining about the legs not disappearing again? It was an aesthetic choice. The original Chogokin remains Popy/Bandai's single best seller. In many minds that is the authoritative look. The legs disappear in the show through anime magic to reduce animation costs. But the SOC is seeking to be the best, most perfect version of the toy you loved to destruction. So chromed Lion Legs, visible. I'm not sure covers would be a great option either, as they would require either removing the load bearing lion legs, or the panels would need to fully cover them, thus changing the shape of the arms and legs. It would also take a lot of accessory budget to do. Granted that might be your kink, but personally I prefer to see the accessory budget spent on the more advanced lion weapons that we have rarely ever gotten before. Of course I also predict that this guy and Daizyujin will likely be fighting to be Bandai's all time best selling SOC's. With likely multiple production runs each. There might be a niche there for an enterprising 3p provider to branch out from Transformers and make a set of add on parts. I can only imagine the race between Bandai's best selling Soul of Chogokin between the two being all neck and neck as they more or less defined an entire generation of childhoods during their respective eras. I am getting both so this more than amuses me to see how it goes down. |
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Post by RoboFestivus on Oct 7, 2016 12:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by boricua on Oct 7, 2016 12:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by bader on Oct 7, 2016 13:51:57 GMT -5
^
I saw this mod not long ago.
But I still like mine just original.. more mechanical.
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Post by locidm on Oct 7, 2016 14:06:48 GMT -5
Uh huh...Bandai might be the best at making combiners but they're not magicians. Unless you would be willing to compromise with having optional covers that go over the lion legs, there is simply no room in those lion bodies to hide the limbs and maintain all the joints. yes, removable legs and covers is the only way to do it. and the separate lions could look better because the removable parts could be scaled in better proportions as well. bandai did this before with other combining or transforming soc figures, and they could've done it again if they had opted for anime voltron looks instead of godaikin toy looks. My personal opinions: Removable legs for Voltron? 4 lions = 16 legs. My guess is there will be a lot more complains from fans if the legs are removable. There are many issues with it: 1. the issue of storage when they are removed, 2. the issue of lost legs once removed, 3. the issue of legs scratching each other if not stored properly, 4. the issue of the integrity of the connection after many cycles of on and off, 5. the issue of removable legs not being as secured as non-removable legs to begin with, 6. the issue of less experience folks matching the wrong legs to the wrong lions and complaining about proportions afterwards, 7. so on and so forth. Bottom line, I wouldn't want to deal with 16 removable legs. My personal preference. As stated by others many times over, the much better platform to do true anime-accurate Voltron would be through a SRC release, where no combination is needed. Mattel already gave us the plastic version, hopefully Bandai will also give us the chogokin version.  |
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Post by krimpov on Oct 7, 2016 16:22:27 GMT -5
Removable legs for Voltron? 4 lions = 16 legs. My guess is there will be a lot more complains from fans if the legs are removable. There are many issues with it: 1. the issue of storage when they are removed, SOCs usually come with lots of accessories, and a way to store them. Storing extra legs is not more of a problem than storing extra accessories. It's an adult collector's item. We're not 4 year olds. Just don't lose them. Do store them properly, then. A valid argument. But the same could be said of most interchangeable accessories on other SOCs. You could also say the same thing about the connections on the arms and legs of those lions when forming Voltron and splitting the lions. Yet, no one seems to have a problem with it being a combiner. It's a SOC : it HAS to be. If it's engineered right, I don't think that would be an issue. See #4. Design it correctly and that won't be an issue. For example, if you make it so that the part that you remove is not part of the articulation itself, but something onto which that articulation is attached, you won't loosen up the articulation when removing the legs because you wouldn't be messing with it directly. And I'm no engineer : I'm sure the guys at Bandai could find a better way to do that. Just mold little letters, numbers or symbols somewhere onto/into them. Or slots of different sizes and shapes. If that's not enough for them... well... maybe they should find a new hobby. Like lawn watching. But just watching. I wouldn't trust them with a lawnmower.  The beautiful thing is you wouldn't have to deal with those legs if you don't want to : just leave them on. As you said, Bandai chose to do it that way - to make it look like a Godaikin. But what really irks me is that they did not have to, at all. I would have been fine with that exact same sculpt, but with removable legs, even if it's not totally anime-accurate. (Most of the time, people can't even agree on what "anime-accurateness" looks like anyway.) Bottom line : I'm expecting more from that line - especially at the price those figures are going for these days - and I sincerely think they dropped the ball hard on that point. An issue they just had to know would bother a considerable number of collectors and one that seems so easy for them to solve, yet they chose not to. It looks great, but it would have looked even better to me if you could take those legs off. Removable legs would have been a viable option to achieve both looks - vintage toy and anime - and satisfy everyone, without compromising durability and stability. You may not care, but I do. As for the SRCs... would you say the Megazord SOC combiner is comparable to the little non-combining SRC of the same robot? It's not only much smaller and lower-end, it's not even more anime-accurate. They could make an anime-accurate SRC Golion/Voltron, yes, but so far most releases are not and I'm quite sure that one wouldn't be different. PS : If I sound like I'm totally POed about that : I'm not. I'm not going to lose any sleep over that thing. In the end, it's just a toy. It doesn't cure cancer : it just sits on a shelf. If Bandai goes for an optional accessory set, that's great. If they don't, they don't. I'll just wait another 5, 10 or 40 years for another company to make my perfect anime-accurate Voltron with legless limbs. Or maybe Bandai themselves : they love to make the same thing over and over again. That said... I hate those fraggin' legs. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Oct 7, 2016 17:20:26 GMT -5
guys i will let you finish BUT the KOB hide the lions legs perfectly   joking aside, with Golion anime they used ton of anime magic and anime magic isn't always easy to do in real life, the lions for example have cylindrical body frame but when they are combined they became kinda squarish, even with today technology this is impossible to do, also another huge thing no one paid attention to is the black lion wings in Golion mode they suddenly became a Y shape wings with the help of anime magic, Bandai want those legs to be showing that's why they add the locking feature when transforming the lions and im glad they did, earlier in the thread a member posted a photo for this figure without the lions legs and it didn't look good honestly bottom line its what its if you like it go for it, if you don't feel free to wait for whatever suit you taste |
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Post by krimpov on Oct 7, 2016 18:01:21 GMT -5
The KOB is a nice take, but I wouldn't say they're "perfectly" hidden. The Voltron pic without the legs, I hope you're not talking about that one : Attachment DeletedI don't think this quick Photoshop job looks even remotely like what a proper "legless" Voltron SOC would look like. I'm sure you could pull many frames from the anime where the legs look really flat like that, but when I think "anime-accurate Voltron", I see something like this :  I don't even know where that picture is from or if it's truly "anime-accurate", but that's the Voltron I remember and the one I wish the SOC was. The side of the arms and legs are not flat without any details. Make the SOC's legs removable, add some extra panels (with chrome rings for the legs) to plug in their place and you could make that SOC look pretty close to this. |
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Post by locidm on Oct 7, 2016 19:01:04 GMT -5
Krimpov, good to see a name I recognize on here! You really don't like them legs! lol! I respect that! I understand that for those of us who don't mind them legs can just choose to leave them on, but having removable legs would still impact the figure even if we don't remove them. I mentioned previously that joints will be less sturdy if removable. I believe that's true regardless of the engineering. A solid connection is a solid connection, and removable connection even when well engineered is still less solid, less sturdy, and less durable connection. The lion legs need to support the lion's weight (in lion mode) as well as provide poseability never seen before (in a Voltron anyways). Something's gotta give if they are made removable. Whether it is playability, sturdiness, cost, looks, etc. Besides, we've all lost things in our lives. Loosing 1 of 16 legs is a real possibility no matter how smart one is! I personally just leave all accessories in the tray where it belongs. I don't see Bandai amputating the lions with the legs in a tray like most accessories during packaging. Anyways, I've expressed my point of view. Move along. BTW, if someone is to one day produce a Voltron with no legs showing in combined form, what do you guys think about a collapsible lion body with covers as option parts? The collapsible body will allow the proportions to look right even with the cover on. There's probably no solution that makes us all happy, as I can see many drawbacks with this approach too. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Oct 7, 2016 20:02:16 GMT -5
krimpov at least a B for effort no one even tried to hide the legs in a combining Golion before and hate to disappoint you but yes i meant that photo  i know its not 100% but it gives an idea the 2nd photo is from a poster if im not mistaken you mentioned a good point about an SRC Golion that will be close to the anime along with a better articulation, good example of this case is God Sigma its just that we always dreamed of a proper combining Golion that's anime accurate or atleast close to the anime, and finally when Bandai gives us one all those negative feedback are raining on it even before we get it ! i know there is alot of emotions here but that's not a fair way to treat the something we didn't even own yet, it have ton of other awesome things so why bother with a tiny thing ? locidm i agree with you regarding the legs if they are removable the lions articulation will be limited and with time it wont support the lions bodies, if they add collapsing parts around the lions legs that you can cover with panels that will be good but this way isnt durable tho well 3 months to go
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Post by boricua on Oct 7, 2016 20:29:20 GMT -5
krimpov got it right, just like bandai got it right on other soc figures. a quick example is the soc mazinger elbows. they attach with strong magnets, but the joint is not magnetic, is mechanical. the same could've been done with voltron's legs, and using a square magnetic connector so it did not move and just held in place. the balljoints would do all the moving. face it people, bandai did not go for anime voltron, they went for nostalgia godaikin toy golion instead.
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Post by droutmaster on Oct 8, 2016 1:11:37 GMT -5
As much as lot of people wants to see an anime acurate voltron/golion its not gonna happend. i was very surprise that bandai would make an update version of a godaikin figure instead of an anime accurate one instead (specially on a SoC line). i guess the only anime closely one would be the mattle 6'' blazing sword voltron figure even though it doesn't separate into five lions and thats saying a lot.
don't get me wrong i like the take on him but i was expecting an anime version than the toy base version.
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Post by keniche on Oct 8, 2016 1:32:28 GMT -5
seeing the video, I'm a bit curious if there's a cover for the openings at the back end of the yellow and blue lion.. if there's none, that I think is a bit disappointing..  also, regarding the anime accuracy, i can live with the legs.. |
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Post by gravewolf on Oct 8, 2016 3:14:27 GMT -5
The legs aren't a deal breaker for me, but I might have an idea for the legs to be removable and replaced with a blank one without compromising the look, longevity of joints and not needing sh*t tons of covers for the legs. Bandai could have put all the left and right legs on a removable block on the bottom that houses the legs and just replace it with a blank one. This would still mean having extra parts but it won't be as many as the other suggested and the legs won't need to be removed separately as each block house a pair and can be numbered easily if its front or back. It can be designed a bit differently but with the same concept but doing this won't compromise the joints. Here's an illustration of the idea. But I am certain it will add more costs to making this figure if they were to design a way to remove the legs.  |
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Post by Gakken on Oct 8, 2016 4:56:59 GMT -5
Anybody know the story on how they got the rights to make this?
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Post by S_Gokin on Oct 8, 2016 7:29:59 GMT -5
nice idea man for me also the legs aren't a deal breaker, articulation is my top priority and we are finally getting an SOC Voltron so i wont worry too much |
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here is a perfect example of this effort, done with soc daltaniuos:
