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Post by k1r4yamato on Dec 24, 2017 10:41:50 GMT -5
I knew, soon or later this will happen!  As we know, right now, Voltron supply (I mean SOC) dried up quickly from the Market. Demand of this SOC remain high, while supply is limited. Wei Jiang see this opportunity and capitalize it. In coming months, we will see a SOC copy at 200 USD. LOL |
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Post by shintitan on Dec 24, 2017 11:06:57 GMT -5
Well...F**K. am getting it.
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 24, 2017 14:05:58 GMT -5
will this is like buying a fake Rolex lol
tho why in hell Bandai wont shut down those who steal the GX-71 design !?
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Post by tjdetweiler on Dec 24, 2017 14:25:49 GMT -5
will this is like buying a fake Rolex lol tho why in hell Bandai wont shut down those who steal the GX-71 design !? Bandai police will get them for sure..they just shutdown dragon momoko who bootleg gundam kits..I reckon this guys know the legal process takes ages so they wont get cracked down anytime soon... |
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Post by greengetterguy on Dec 24, 2017 14:44:29 GMT -5
Unlike US, China doesnt fool around when it comes to harsh punishment.
And the coviction rate is practically 100 percent!!
Is it worth it? Is life THAT bad for theses guys that they want to play the losing gamble?
I shudder at the thought.
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Post by batsugun21 on Dec 24, 2017 15:21:48 GMT -5
Unlike US, China doesnt fool around when it comes to harsh punishment. And the coviction rate is practically 100 percent!! Is it worth it? Is life THAT bad for theses guys that they want to play the losing gamble? I shudder at the thought. Bootlegs have been coming out of China for decades. The original golion is still bootlegged. IPhones are one of the most bootlegged items in China. No one gets convicted of bootlegging. China has very lax copyright law. |
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Post by greengetterguy on Dec 24, 2017 15:48:21 GMT -5
That is true. Well how did Dragon Momoko get caught? Didnt he pay his under the table fee then? Since both Bandai AND FBI is on me  , i HAVE to say, I cant support nor condon straight copies..... These are different animals from 3rd party transformers. |
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Post by shingetterova on Dec 24, 2017 16:49:14 GMT -5
That is true. Well how did Dragon Momoko get caught? Didnt he pay his under the table fee then? Since both Bandai AND FBI is on me , i HAVE to say, I cant support nor condon straight copies..... These are different animals from 3rd party transformers. Dragon momoko was producing kits for years. Sometimes producing variants of bandaI kits, other times just getting a straight copy. Also, piracy on bandai products is nothing new. There's ko of metal build gundams (more complex than golion!) Saint seiya myth cloth/ myth cloth ex/ myth cloth ex soul of gold (these figures have more diecast than any soul of chogokin produced in the last 10 years) Cracking down a pirate company is difficult in china, and also, keep in mind if they change name in the middle of the process, everything has to start over from bandai. Being honest, I'm happy with this ko. I own the original one, but I need/want a second copy for display in lion mode. |
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Post by inebriatedgnome on Dec 24, 2017 21:49:09 GMT -5
For the record, Wei Jiang makes oversized Transformers KOs with better quality than the original Masterpiece figures by Takara. Look at any review of their MPP-10 Optimus Prime or their recent Megatron and it's clear they are capable of better QC and in some cases better design than Takara.
Of course a SOC is even more complex, we don't know how they might handle a figure with so much metal in it, and so on. Maybe this will suck. But remember, a fake Rolex is undesirable because it's of lower quality than the original watch. Every Wei Jiang release thus far has been better than the original toy. Not an apt comparison 😉
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Post by repairtechjon on Dec 24, 2017 23:42:11 GMT -5
As to the upcoming KO, I'd think it's pretty easy to just get the original factory, or tooling, and pay to have some spun off, as SOCs are NOT made in Japan, but Chinese factory.
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Post by k1r4yamato on Dec 25, 2017 0:35:32 GMT -5
That is true. Well how did Dragon Momoko get caught? Didnt he pay his under the table fee then? Since both Bandai AND FBI is on me , i HAVE to say, I cant support nor condon straight copies..... These are different animals from 3rd party transformers. Dragon momoko was producing kits for years. Sometimes producing variants of bandaI kits, other times just getting a straight copy. Also, piracy on bandai products is nothing new. There's ko of metal build gundams (more complex than golion!) Saint seiya myth cloth/ myth cloth ex/ myth cloth ex soul of gold (these figures have more diecast than any soul of chogokin produced in the last 10 years) Cracking down a pirate company is difficult in china, and also, keep in mind if they change name in the middle of the process, everything has to start over from bandai. Being honest, I'm happy with this ko. I own the original one, but I need/want a second copy for display in lion mode. Absolutely agree with this! Its a bitter fact, but is true.  Third party company in China made million of dollar, selling this KO's. Most of their product distributed in China, so it is not for overseas (foreign) market. IMO, KO's, Third party product, or whatever it is, has their own niche market. People who refuse to pay more, because of late PO or simply just want to complete their collections in most economical way, were their customers. For anyone argue about low quality of this KO's/Third party product, they should know that recently those manufactures really improve their QC. Quality of their toys is great, sometimes surpass original product by Bandai. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 25, 2017 5:02:02 GMT -5
For anyone argue about low quality of this KO's/Third party product, they should know that recently those manufactures really improve their QC.
Quality of their toys is great, sometimes surpass original product by Bandai. thats a strong statement, i never saw any SOC KO before this one and playmates im not sure how they could surpass the original SOC, that figure is UNBEATABLE it got everything any Voltron fan wants, some will even say its the BEST SOC ever made, so im not sure how they can surpass it, by just copying it i would say they can try, but they wont surpass it |
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Post by shingetterova on Dec 25, 2017 7:27:17 GMT -5
For anyone argue about low quality of this KO's/Third party product, they should know that recently those manufactures really improve their QC.
Quality of their toys is great, sometimes surpass original product by Bandai. thats a strong statement, i never saw any SOC KO before this one and playmates im not sure how they could surpass the original SOC, that figure is UNBEATABLE it got everything any Voltron fan wants, some will even say its the BEST SOC ever made, so im not sure how they can surpass it, by just copying it i would say they can try, but they wont surpass it Well , if you collect SOC only, then you are right. However, there's a lot of metal build gundams that have been ko'ed and in most cases , metal build gundam are more complex than the average Soul of chogokin. More bits here and there. Also, they have Ko'ed the saint seiya line at perfection, here we are talking about figures with a lot of detail, mostly 90% diecast , with multiple faces with Excellent tampo printing. Also model kits, and such, and such. Outside bandai? Masterpieces transformers. For god sake, there's ko of megatron mp36!! Like 4 different companies doing the same or improving the original. Straight copy Thf dynastron Tf infinite Oversize (mix between apollyon and mp36!) Also, over the years, quality on ko is on par or better in some cases than the og (looking at the joints on metal build line, ko are strong as f**k, unlike the really lose bandai ones!) One last thing. There's some very very low ko of some soc. I remember a plastic getter robo trío with funky colors, and also a transformers line with some oversize dancougar machines... |
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 25, 2017 9:36:10 GMT -5
Well , if you collect SOC only, then you are right. However, there's a lot of metal build gundams that have been ko'ed and in most cases , metal build gundam are more complex than the average Soul of chogokin. More bits here and there. Also, they have Ko'ed the saint seiya line at perfection, here we are talking about figures with a lot of detail, mostly 90% diecast , with multiple faces with Excellent tampo printing. Also model kits, and such, and such. Outside bandai? Masterpieces transformers. For god sake, there's ko of megatron mp36!! Like 4 different companies doing the same or improving the original. Straight copy Thf dynastron Tf infinite Oversize (mix between apollyon and mp36!) Also, over the years, quality on ko is on par or better in some cases than the og (looking at the joints on metal build line, ko are strong as f**k, unlike the really lose bandai ones!) One last thing. There's some very very low ko of some soc. I remember a plastic getter robo trío with funky colors, and also a transformers line with some oversize dancougar machines... i collect SOCs, SRCs, Fewture stuff and random things sometimes i already know about Transformers KOs but i honestly thought that KOs are mainly in the Transformers franchise specially the Takara Tomy, in that line you are right some time the KOs are better than the original however Gundam and Saint Seiya are new info for me for SOC its unheard of, specially combiners the engineering the diecast and other accessories is not an easy thing to pull as good as Bandai lastly do you have a photo for that Getter ? it will be an interesting thing to see |
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Post by ninjahandz on Dec 25, 2017 9:54:18 GMT -5
$200 seems to be too expensive for this set. I think it will be closer to $150.
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Post by shingetterova on Dec 25, 2017 10:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by inebriatedgnome on Dec 25, 2017 10:53:05 GMT -5
There are a lot of unknowns for sure. But last time I put my faith in Wei Jiang, I got a bigger and genuinely better Masterpiece Transformer at less than half the price of the original. I'm willing to take a risk on them again
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Post by k1r4yamato on Dec 25, 2017 11:50:02 GMT -5
For anyone argue about low quality of this KO's/Third party product, they should know that recently those manufactures really improve their QC.
Quality of their toys is great, sometimes surpass original product by Bandai. thats a strong statement, i never saw any SOC KO before this one and playmates im not sure how they could surpass the original SOC, that figure is UNBEATABLE it got everything any Voltron fan wants, some will even say its the BEST SOC ever made, so im not sure how they can surpass it, by just copying it i would say they can try, but they wont surpass it I'm agree with your statement saying that GX-71 Voltron is one of best SOC made by Bandai!  No doubt about it! What I'm trying to say is, KO's/Third Party product has achieve same level with original one, and this is a fact! Let me show you an example for this! Have you ever see Third Party Dark Voltron from Icarus Toys? Trust me, Its magnificent!  Icarus didn't copy their design from Bandai. They based the design from KOB robots. Icarus launch Dark Voltron in small number and paint it black. With only a thousand pieces on the market, this item become rare and expensive. IMO both Voltron and Dark Voltron are on the same level. They both were difficult to find, and expensive. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Dec 25, 2017 13:22:02 GMT -5
man those are not the same as the GX-06 ! the sculpt, the accessories, and the colors are different, not sure about the materials but looking at it i guess its not the same either i know about KOs i own couple of vintage of them, one of them is an orange Getter Go  the case here is an identical copy paste scenario, playmates copied the SOC but they did couple of touches here and there (made it look awful in my opinion) but at least they changed something these guys just copied the SOC without any changes I'm agree with your statement saying that GX-71 Voltron is one of best SOC made by Bandai! No doubt about it! What I'm trying to say is, KO's/Third Party product has achieve same level with original one, and this is a fact! Let me show you an example for this! Have you ever see Third Party Dark Voltron from Icarus Toys? Trust me, Its magnificent! Icarus didn't copy their design from Bandai. They based the design from KOB robots. Icarus launch Dark Voltron in small number and paint it black. With only a thousand pieces on the market, this item become rare and expensive. IMO both Voltron and Dark Voltron are on the same level. They both were difficult to find, and expensive. bro, who did Icarus (Mad Toys) copied in their Voltron ? no one, they simply used their own original design, their own original engineering, and their own original accessories, they didn't copy anyone and that's a totally different situation, the KOB is unique for its own, it did offer something new and unheard of in a Voltron toy if you guys like this figure go for it im happy for you, but at the end its not the original thing |
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Post by Coletron on Dec 25, 2017 21:33:28 GMT -5
One of the reasons people collect is because of the expected appreciation of an object over time. One of the 1st gokins I bought years back was a new GoDaiKin Dynaman. I paid about $300 for it. I don't plan on selling it, but I do get a kick out of seeing what they list for on eBay now. I love having things that are rare and valuable. That's one of the most appealing aspects of this hobby for me.
I'm not an expert on KOs, but I do know that going back to the 80's, the LionBot has been produced more than just about any toy on the planet. There are some rare variants, but generally LionBots are worth less over time because the Die-Cast Metal factory keeps pumping out new supply. This takes the "collectability" factor out of it. Why hold onto something that's worth less year after year?
I don't see how a KO GX-71 will be any different.
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