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Post by bocasas on Aug 27, 2018 16:41:59 GMT -5
Guys this argue has no sense. I understand that a lot of the guys here love gokins but I'm sure you can get that level of articulation and die cast for the price sentinel is offering. That would require more engineering and mass production to keep costs. In fact riobot line got really expensive just by adding a few metal parts (watch early releases retail price). They are not bandai and they produce in a very small level compared to them. I'm sure they'd love to add tons of metal and the same articulation but by adding that they will be ridiculously expensive. Companies are here to be profitable and wants to keep their market share (even if it's niche)
They sell point is articulation and design as EM gokin is their die cast content and redesign. As I've said before if you are a gokin hardcore this is not the line for you.
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Post by S_Gokin on Aug 27, 2018 17:37:09 GMT -5
i agree with you this is a major spin off lol but like greengetterguy said "Please Don't support a figure you dont agree with" not just figures dont support anything you dont in general, thats why i never buy DLC for any game no matter what for personally if you asking alot for a figure of yours and its a popular character it should have something to justify that price high quality materials, cool design, with no QCs just to name a few things im not saying this wont have any but lately Riobot became famous for their QCs |
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 27, 2018 17:43:50 GMT -5
But that minute means everything (to me.) Then don't buy it. It's really that simple. I responded to a question asking my personal preference and definitely didn't state or imply that mine was "right" or "better" than anyone else's as it's all subjective. I buy what I like. I don't buy what I don't. However I don't go to threads for items and state that they should basically change their pre-defined philosophy on toy production just because said items don't fit my preferences particularly when I can go by versions of the same character from other companies that do fit them. It makes no sense. Coudln't agree more. I'm not buying it. im just sharing my opinion and about MY philo. I know Lot of my suggestions and "constructive criticism " makes no sense to many. Putting it out there mostly for my sake. |
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Post by bocasas on Aug 27, 2018 18:11:46 GMT -5
i agree with you this is a major spin off lol but like greengetterguy said "Please Don't support a figure you dont agree with" not just figures dont support anything you dont in general, thats why i never buy DLC for any game no matter what for personally if you asking alot for a figure of yours and its a popular character it should have something to justify that price high quality materials, cool design, with no QCs just to name a few things im not saying this wont have any but lately Riobot became famous for their QCs Amen. Back to topic this redesign is too extreme for me. But I'll get their getter devolution one. |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Aug 27, 2018 19:17:53 GMT -5
I can't agree that people stating their reasoning for not buying the figure a topic is about is being off-topic at all, even if it's excessive. Off-Topic is the last third of the SOC Golion thread. Then don't buy it. It's really that simple. I responded to a question asking my personal preference and definitely didn't state or imply that mine was "right" or "better" than anyone else's as it's all subjective. I buy what I like. I don't buy what I don't. However I don't go to threads for items and state that they should basically change their pre-defined philosophy on toy production just because said items don't fit my preferences particularly when I can go by versions of the same character from other companies that do fit them. It makes no sense. Coudln't agree more. I'm not buying it. im just sharing my opinion and about MY philo. I know Lot of my suggestions and "constructive criticism " makes no sense to many. Putting it out there mostly for my sake. The only thing is that when you quote someone and state said philosophy it comes off as combatting it. There was no need to bring what I said into a general statement if you weren't directing it to me and what I wrote. It's good that you vote with your buck because it's the best vote. |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 27, 2018 21:28:22 GMT -5
Guys , I don't want this argue to go longer, @ Kuma: I wasn't asking for Fewture level of Die cast man. I have been collecting for long time and I know they can pull it off. I was asking for their standards!! the way they distributed metal in their mazinkaiser! it was not much but kept costumers happy. this however is just not right! having metal feet is a no brainer and will appeal to more collectors, I thought they want to make money don't they?
@ Greengetterguy : yeah man but it is important to send a clear message to Sentinel why you are not buying this product. otherwise they will think that the character is the problem not their execution.
if we can deliver such a message to the designing team we might be able to save the day.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Aug 28, 2018 4:13:25 GMT -5
I was asking for their standards!! the way they distributed metal in their mazinkaiser! And it's been elexplained to you multiple times by multiple posters that Mazinkaiser isn't their standard. There's nothing to argue or be argued. You wish this had more diecast; it doesn't and likely won't. Pretty simple. |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 28, 2018 7:05:48 GMT -5
I was asking for their standards!! the way they distributed metal in their mazinkaiser! And it's been elexplained to you multiple times by multiple posters that Mazinkaiser isn't their standard. There's nothing to argue or be argued. You wish this had more diecast; it doesn't and likely won't. Pretty simple. And it was explained to you multiple times that I am not arguing But questioning their decision to go cheap below the standars of THEIR VERY OWN MAZINKAISER ! I am wondering why you find it too hard to understand that this is a simple question by a collector and you don't have to answer it because you are fan of their products (it is ok to be so) and the only reason that make sense is that they are being cheap !! it won't kill them nor affect their design the inclusion of metal in the feet. SIMPLE. Chill dude. back to Topic |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Aug 28, 2018 8:45:24 GMT -5
I am not arguing But questioning their decision to go cheap below the standars of THEIR VERY OWN MAZINKAISER ! Because Mazinkaiser wasn't a set standard and more than anything they didn't want to. You go on and on about simplicity but you've been making something out of nothing for pages now being just as hypocritical as telling others to "chill" after typing in all caps. Looking forward to your thoughts if you do end up getting it and hoping this activity ceases if you're settled on not. Either way I feel like there's something lost in translation to where you're taking offense to my posts which are largely in agreement with you and it's unfortunate. Anyways I don't think I can clarify it any further so I'm considering it a wash. --------------------- I'm wondering how much that spacer is going to cost. The transformation gimmick has me a bit scared that it'll be an excuse to jack up pricing. |
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Post by TaurusOxford on Aug 28, 2018 9:37:00 GMT -5
not just figures dont support anything you dont in general, thats why i never buy DLC for any game no matter what Buy the Bloodborne DLC. |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 28, 2018 11:24:25 GMT -5
I am not arguing But questioning their decision to go cheap below the standars of THEIR VERY OWN MAZINKAISER ! Because Mazinkaiser wasn't a set standard and more than anything they didn't want to. You go on and on about simplicity but you've been making something out of nothing for pages now being just as hypocritical as telling others to "chill" after typing in all caps. Looking forward to your thoughts if you do end up getting it and hoping this activity ceases if you're settled on not. Either way I feel like there's something lost in translation to where you're taking offense to my posts which are largely in agreement with you and it's unfortunate. Anyways I don't think I can clarify it any further so I'm considering it a wash. --------------------- I'm wondering how much that spacer is going to cost. The transformation gimmick has me a bit scared that it'll be an excuse to jack up pricing. I didn't waste pages bro! this is forum man to discuss stuff regarding this Hobby  it is not waste because it is interesting to people other than you since you are satisfied with their products. We ... hehehe ... we are greedy on the other hand  so please Sentinel if you are reading this ... More metal in this release won't kill you. after Grendizer you can cheap out all you want. rest my case. ---------- BTW , I really love what they went for regarding spazer , it is a neat cool design and concept. can't wait to see their demo videos that they usually release. |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Aug 28, 2018 11:32:03 GMT -5
I didn't waste pages bro! . Never said you did and this is where the "lost in translation" comment came from. I don't mind continuing discourse with you but can't humor nonsense for the sake of responding or last word. Please read and respond to posts appropriately. ---------- Going forward if they could give takes on Great Mazinkaiser and Aphrodite I'd be in heaven. |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 28, 2018 11:49:04 GMT -5
I am not arguing But questioning their decision to go cheap below the standars of THEIR VERY OWN MAZINKAISER ! you've been making something out of nothing for pages now being just as hypocritical as telling others to "chill" This , is it clear now? U said that I am going for pages and being a hypocrite ! + Riobot Mazinkaiser is a standard of them and going below it is just what it is... Going below their standards. Hope things are clear now ------ I'll be thrilled actually if they announce any of the Mazin-Girls great mazinkaiser on the other hand is not so much. I actually preferred the great emperor G design. |
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Post by bocasas on Aug 28, 2018 12:26:37 GMT -5
you've been making something out of nothing for pages now being just as hypocritical as telling others to "chill" This , is it clear now? U said that I am going for pages and being a hypocrite ! + Riobot Mazinkaiser is a standard of them and going below it is just what it is... Going below their standards. Hope things are clear now ------ I'll be thrilled actually if they announce any of the Mazin-Girls great mazinkaiser on the other hand is not so much. I actually preferred the great emperor G design. I'm not defending anyone. But mazinkaizer is more and exception than a standard. Almost every figure in the riobot line is merely plastic. Their Eva X godzilla Shiryu came after mazinkaizer and had 0 diecast. most of their products have mininal to none die cast. As I said this line is not known for having metal content. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are going crazy over some designs... the thing they did with the spacer is pretty unique but I think is a great turn on/off for many people. I don't know how many of the guys here would get it... |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Aug 28, 2018 12:46:22 GMT -5
you've been making something out of nothing for pages now being just as hypocritical as telling others to "chill" This , is it clear now? U said that I am going for pages and being a hypocrite ! + Riobot Mazinkaiser is a standard of them and going below it is just what it is... Going below their standards. Hope things are clear now ------ I'll be thrilled actually if they announce any of the Mazin-Girls great mazinkaiser on the other hand is not so much. I actually preferred the great emperor G design. - The only one that isn't clear on what was written ses to be you. Saying you've went on for pages is a fact. Stating that you were hypocritical was a fact. Neither of those state or imply anything about wasted pages. Your comprehension is either lacking or being purposefully discarded for the sake of arguing made up points. Either way it needs to cease. - Riobot Mazinkaiser isn't a standard by the definition of the word. It's an exception. Please look up said definitions for yourself before using the term again. - The Emporer G design is rad but I just want to knock out the main antagonist mechd before branching out.p This , is it clear now? U said that I am going for pages and being a hypocrite ! + Riobot Mazinkaiser is a standard of them and going below it is just what it is... Going below their standards. Hope things are clear now ------ I'll be thrilled actually if they announce any of the Mazin-Girls great mazinkaiser on the other hand is not so much. I actually preferred the great emperor G design. I'm not defending anyone. But mazinkaizer is more and exception than a standard. Almost every figure in the riobot line is merely plastic. Their Eva X godzilla Shiryu came after mazinkaizer and had 0 diecast. most of their products have mininal to none die cast. As I said this line is not known for having metal content. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are going crazy over some designs... the thing they did with the spacer is pretty unique but I think is a great turn on/off for many people. I don't know how many of the guys here would get it... This. It's one thing to have a preference but using an exception to a very-much-so defined standard as if it's standard is being outright disingenuous and then to attempt arguing when corrected is just being dramatic for the sake of it. Hopefully this time it clicks. ----------- I agree on the spacer potentially being divisive. I'll get it for completist sake but can't say I'd do the same for another company which i'm not complete on. |
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Post by chogokinabdul on Aug 28, 2018 19:22:16 GMT -5
Kumastyle said:" The only one that isn't clear on what was written ses to be you. Saying you've went on for pages is a fact. Stating that you were hypocritical was a fact. Neither of those state or imply anything about wasted pages. Your comprehension is either lacking or being purposefully discarded for the sake of arguing made up points. Either way it needs to cease. - Riobot Mazinkaiser isn't a standard by the definition of the word. It's an exception. Please look up said definitions for yourself before using the term again. - The Emporer G design is rad but I just want to knock out the main antagonist mechd before branching out.p " I'm not defending anyone. But mazinkaizer is more and exception than a standard. Almost every figure in the riobot line is merely plastic. Their Eva X godzilla Shiryu came after mazinkaizer and had 0 diecast. most of their products have mininal to none die cast. As I said this line is not known for having metal content. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are going crazy over some designs... the thing they did with the spacer is pretty unique but I think is a great turn on/off for many people. I don't know how many of the guys here would get it... This. It's one thing to have a preference but using an exception to a very-much-so defined standard as if it's standard is being outright disingenuous and then to attempt arguing when corrected is just being dramatic for the sake of it. Hopefully this time it clicks. [/quote] I see you have plenty of time for arguing and going on for pages talking about a point that is clear and simple just to defend you pride ! I do understand the definitions and I know why I am using them so let's spare each other the language lessons. I don't suck for any company that is why it is painful to see a chance of producing something better for a beloved character to be wasted this way. since you are clearly a Sentinel fan boy you will keep defending them and it won't click with you... but my wish/ demand of including more metal content in the figure holds still and it is my right. so both mazinkaiser and shin getter are exceptions not standards? they both have better metal content. Then I guess I am wishing that Sentinel would continue that exception trend and let Grendizer join the exception club rather than the standard club! this way we will have abetter figure that won't kill their engineers since they have done it twice before with the two Exceptions they made. for the price they ask for... they should. I hope this time you get my point and we could get over it. |
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Post by mpchi on Aug 28, 2018 22:27:56 GMT -5
Guys, guys, no worries. Look carefully. Riobot Grendy got diecast balls! That gotta count for something, right? |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Aug 28, 2018 22:52:11 GMT -5
I see you have plenty of time for arguing and going on for pages talking about a point that is clear and simple just to defend you pride ! My pride isn't effected by your literacy being poor. I didn't even get a notification of this because you can't even quote correctly when it's as simple as pressing the button labeled "quote." I really hope you aren't thinking that you're being taken seriously at this point... at all. It's insane that your point has simply been that you want it to have more diecast but have gotten to the point of sincerely rambling about absolutely nothing. Get out of your feelings and just move on. 1 out of going on 20 isn't a standard by any definition of the word and won't ever be. Put effort into familiarizing yourself with the company and their products vs. misquoting me. Guys, guys, no worries. Look carefully. Riobot Grendy got diecast balls! That gotta count for something, right? Honestly the content is decent and well-placed. The hips vs the calves is less bearing on the hip joints and doesn't effect the lifespan of the knees. I'm hoping that this one has an actual waist swivel vs. just the upper-torso trend lately. |
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Post by greengetterguy on Aug 28, 2018 22:58:20 GMT -5
Maybe the bottom of the feet could still be metal...
Sentinel WAS on right track with Riobot.
After a very successful Kaiser, Sentinel up the ante in ALL respect. Shin Getter is THE best looking Shin Getter I EVER seen... I saw the compare shots between Aoshima, Bandai and Fewture Shin..and for ME, Sentinel won, by a wide margin. It makes other Shins look ( to put it politely)"dated"
If the torso joint " issue" was not there, it could have been a PERFECT gokin. Correct me if I'm wrong but Black Shin might have address that issue?
Shin Getter is a real tough act to follow for ANY company, not only for Bandai but ( again, to me) apparently Sentinel itself...
But yeah, metal feet on this Grendy could have def help narrow the gap.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Aug 28, 2018 23:03:21 GMT -5
Maybe the bottom of the feet could still be metal... Sentinel WAS on right track with Riobot. After a very successful Kaiser, Sentinel up the ante in ALL respect. Shin Getter is THE best looking Shin Getter I EVER seen... I saw the compare shots between Aoshima, Bandai and Fewture Shin..and for ME, Sentinel won, by a wide margin. It makes other Shins look ( to put it politely)"dated" If the torso joint " issue" was not there, it could have been a PERFECT gokin. Correct me if I'm wrong but Black Shin might have address that issue? Shin Getter is a real tough act to follow for ANY company, not only for Bandai but ( again, to me) apparently Sentinel itself... But yeah, metal feet on this Grendy could have def help narrow the gap. There wasn't an inherent issue with the upper torso of Shin Getter; it was literally people twisting it past the limitation and it popping out of the socket to which it could be pressed back in. I agree on the design of Shin Getter... I do like my OG EX Gokin better but having one more canon in appearance and particularly more playable is heaven. Sentinel's absolute best stuff are unfortunately less popular mecha like Oubu and Giant Gorg and it sucks because they're some of the best I've ever handled from any company. |
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