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Post by S_Gokin on Jul 23, 2023 16:17:44 GMT -5
No sugar coat there. I was talking about the max range of the main joints. POSE+ and CCSToys are great, but not to this degree. Almost 180 degree neck up and down to kiss its own chest, 180 elbow, 180 knee (to a point the heel can touch its butt), more than 180 hip split, big butterfly with the clear blue chest sinks in, lower arm has extra swivel for the blades to move around. Even the shoulder pad has an extra diecast ring for it to rotate 360, on top of a hinge and ball joint connection. I own a few POSE+ and CCSToys, and I know none of them can match this kind of max range of articulation as a whole (I am not saying just pick one or two joints of your liking that performs well). Not saying it is perfect, but I bet it can beat most of the gokin competition you have in mind in a gymnastic competition. Just that neck joint alone is hard to beat, let alone all the other 'normal' stuff combined. Even previous best Riobots would have a hard time to match up.
you are sugar coating in matter of fact when it comes to Riobot's you and bocasas are proud bakery owners lol
joking aside most of the points of articulation you showed are do able in the lines i mentioned, maybe just the neck joints
Sentinel is the brand pushing engineering period. Their mazinkaiser was a revolution, and they still deliver over the top articulation. Sentinel used to have two problems: 1) low die cast content (not a problem per se but we all love die cast) 2) Overpriced: they are 25 to 30% above the price they should have. They are solving the first one, their GL has a good amount of die cast and a good heft (their shin getter too), the second one may be a problem to some, not to me knowing what I'm getting. I have never regretted paying for their products (not even their first ones like the tsugumori or their jehuty), and I'm very happy with all of them. Sentinel is at the forefront when it comes to articulation, other companies may have better sculpt, better materials, more diecast or be more screen accurate. I'll try to get this guy and I'm for sure getting their legendary voltron.
bro there is a reason why i got an invite to Tekken 8 closed network testing and you didnt, i dont say nice things when i should say the ugly truth lol
their Mazinkaiser
this mistake is also there in Shin Getter 1 a dude from Korea came with a fix (Not Riobot)
also another huge important point its easy to play with and engine mostly plastic figures the real challenge is to play with diecast im talking about figures that are over 500g
if you compare the same design to CCS you will find exact part is pure chogokin metal
as for the prices i was going to get the T28 FX but hey Action Toys announced they will do one so i will skip the Riobot one
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Post by mpchi on Jul 23, 2023 18:13:40 GMT -5
you are sugar coating in matter of fact when it comes to Riobot's you and bocasas are proud bakery owners lol joking aside most of the points of articulation you showed are do able in the lines i mentioned, maybe just the neck joints
Don't need to sugar coat something when it is already sweeter than honey. I guess what I tried to point out is my appreciation on Sentinel putting their extra effort in the engineering. Yes, other brands may have 180 elbow or knee bend, but don't bend as tight to a point the hands can touch the shoulders or the heel can touch the butt (cause Sentinel purposely designed the joint to be small and slim for a more natural look in posing). They often throw in extra moving parts or structure to make things work or look better. Plenty of figure with shoulder pads has an extra ball joint arm or hinge attachment, or even both. But you don't see them have Dragon's extra rotating ring connected to the upper torso. While they refined their neck design with additional joints than normal to push crazy range of movement further, which other brands will try to copy in years to come, pretty sure. Sentinel engineering brings in the innovation that others tend to copy and follow, not the other way around. And that is a big difference I can appreciate. (Just look at the hip flaps Sentinel designed from way back when first appeared on their Mazinkaiser & 12" Ultraman Suit all the way back from 2016, as well as the collapsing lower back leg panels on Mazinkaiser & Shin Getter, then you see that same design on CCSToys' and other brands' releases years later) Their shortcoming is some oversight on material used. I hope Sentinel has strengthen the joints tightness. As much as I love the Riobot Shin Getter 1 (and no problem with torso popping since I read instructions), some of the joints are not diecast with pure plastic, and can see them wear off if I pose them a lot. Visually, I noticed some diecast used on joints in Shin Dragon that was not present in Shin Getter 1 (which is great!). Hopefully I can confirm in person that the joints are overall sturdier and more durable. Big fan of Sentinel's engineering and designs, but I am not blind to their shortcomings. That aside, I do hope the actual thing is as sweet as it looks in hand. Still a few more days before it lands. And looks like D4Toys ships their stuff directly from their Chinese manufacturer. It is not the first time my orders from them come directly from a mainland China address, instead of going through HK or Japan.
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Post by zetaking on Jul 24, 2023 13:58:29 GMT -5
you are sugar coating in matter of fact when it comes to Riobot's you and bocasas are proud bakery owners lol joking aside most of the points of articulation you showed are do able in the lines i mentioned, maybe just the neck joints
Don't need to sugar coat something when it is already sweeter than honey. I guess what I tried to point out is my appreciation on Sentinel putting their extra effort in the engineering. Yes, other brands may have 180 elbow or knee bend, but don't bend as tight to a point the hands can touch the shoulders or the heel can touch the butt (cause Sentinel purposely designed the joint to be small and slim for a more natural look in posing). They often throw in extra moving parts or structure to make things work or look better. Plenty of figure with shoulder pads has an extra ball joint arm or hinge attachment, or even both. But you don't see them have Dragon's extra rotating ring connected to the upper torso. While they refined their neck design with additional joints than normal to push crazy range of movement further, which other brands will try to copy in years to come, pretty sure. Sentinel engineering brings in the innovation that others tend to copy and follow, not the other way around. And that is a big difference I can appreciate. (Just look at the hip flaps Sentinel designed from way back when first appeared on their Mazinkaiser & 12" Ultraman Suit all the way back from 2016, as well as the collapsing lower back leg panels on Mazinkaiser & Shin Getter, then you see that same design on CCSToys' and other brands' releases years later) Their shortcoming is some oversight on material used. I hope Sentinel has strengthen the joints tightness. As much as I love the Riobot Shin Getter 1 (and no problem with torso popping since I read instructions), some of the joints are not diecast with pure plastic, and can see them wear off if I pose them a lot. Visually, I noticed some diecast used on joints in Shin Dragon that was not present in Shin Getter 1 (which is great!). Hopefully I can confirm in person that the joints are overall sturdier and more durable. Big fan of Sentinel's engineering and designs, but I am not blind to their shortcomings. That aside, I do hope the actual thing is as sweet as it looks in hand. Still a few more days before it lands. And looks like D4Toys ships their stuff directly from their Chinese manufacturer. It is not the first time my orders from them come directly from a mainland China address, instead of going through HK or Japan. me too.. hope to see him in a few days from amiami....
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Post by S_Gokin on Jul 24, 2023 15:16:24 GMT -5
Don't need to sugar coat something when it is already sweeter than honey. I guess what I tried to point out is my appreciation on Sentinel putting their extra effort in the engineering. Yes, other brands may have 180 elbow or knee bend, but don't bend as tight to a point the hands can touch the shoulders or the heel can touch the butt (cause Sentinel purposely designed the joint to be small and slim for a more natural look in posing). They often throw in extra moving parts or structure to make things work or look better. Plenty of figure with shoulder pads has an extra ball joint arm or hinge attachment, or even both. But you don't see them have Dragon's extra rotating ring connected to the upper torso. While they refined their neck design with additional joints than normal to push crazy range of movement further, which other brands will try to copy in years to come, pretty sure. Sentinel engineering brings in the innovation that others tend to copy and follow, not the other way around. And that is a big difference I can appreciate. (Just look at the hip flaps Sentinel designed from way back when first appeared on their Mazinkaiser & 12" Ultraman Suit all the way back from 2016, as well as the collapsing lower back leg panels on Mazinkaiser & Shin Getter, then you see that same design on CCSToys' and other brands' releases years later) Their shortcoming is some oversight on material used. I hope Sentinel has strengthen the joints tightness. As much as I love the Riobot Shin Getter 1 (and no problem with torso popping since I read instructions), some of the joints are not diecast with pure plastic, and can see them wear off if I pose them a lot. Visually, I noticed some diecast used on joints in Shin Dragon that was not present in Shin Getter 1 (which is great!). Hopefully I can confirm in person that the joints are overall sturdier and more durable. Big fan of Sentinel's engineering and designs, but I am not blind to their shortcomings. That aside, I do hope the actual thing is as sweet as it looks in hand. Still a few more days before it lands. And looks like D4Toys ships their stuff directly from their Chinese manufacturer. It is not the first time my orders from them come directly from a mainland China address, instead of going through HK or Japan.
but thats an artificial sweeteners (plastic) not natural sugar (diecast) bad for your health and your wallet lol
true they might have a lead in the articulation department but its under (mostly plastic, relatively small figures) what others been doing is true diecast and bigger figures with actually heft into them so for me its the next level
hopefully this weekend i will try to retake some of the photos you posted for Shin Dragon with some of my figures as i know they could do those, the neck im not %100 sure if any figure could do it but i will try
and will wait for your review for it
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Post by mpchi on Jul 24, 2023 16:12:03 GMT -5
Don't need to sugar coat something when it is already sweeter than honey. I guess what I tried to point out is my appreciation on Sentinel putting their extra effort in the engineering. Yes, other brands may have 180 elbow or knee bend, but don't bend as tight to a point the hands can touch the shoulders or the heel can touch the butt (cause Sentinel purposely designed the joint to be small and slim for a more natural look in posing). They often throw in extra moving parts or structure to make things work or look better. Plenty of figure with shoulder pads has an extra ball joint arm or hinge attachment, or even both. But you don't see them have Dragon's extra rotating ring connected to the upper torso. While they refined their neck design with additional joints than normal to push crazy range of movement further, which other brands will try to copy in years to come, pretty sure. Sentinel engineering brings in the innovation that others tend to copy and follow, not the other way around. And that is a big difference I can appreciate. (Just look at the hip flaps Sentinel designed from way back when first appeared on their Mazinkaiser & 12" Ultraman Suit all the way back from 2016, as well as the collapsing lower back leg panels on Mazinkaiser & Shin Getter, then you see that same design on CCSToys' and other brands' releases years later) Their shortcoming is some oversight on material used. I hope Sentinel has strengthen the joints tightness. As much as I love the Riobot Shin Getter 1 (and no problem with torso popping since I read instructions), some of the joints are not diecast with pure plastic, and can see them wear off if I pose them a lot. Visually, I noticed some diecast used on joints in Shin Dragon that was not present in Shin Getter 1 (which is great!). Hopefully I can confirm in person that the joints are overall sturdier and more durable. Big fan of Sentinel's engineering and designs, but I am not blind to their shortcomings. That aside, I do hope the actual thing is as sweet as it looks in hand. Still a few more days before it lands. And looks like D4Toys ships their stuff directly from their Chinese manufacturer. It is not the first time my orders from them come directly from a mainland China address, instead of going through HK or Japan. but thats an artificial sweeteners (plastic) not natural sugar (diecast) bad for your health and your wallet lol
true they might have a lead in the articulation department but its under (mostly plastic, relatively small figures) what others been doing is true diecast and bigger figures with actually heft into them so for me its the next level
hopefully this weekend i will try to retake some of the photos you posted for Shin Dragon with some of my figures as i know they could do those, the neck im not %100 sure if any figure could do it but i will try
and will wait for your review for it
I feel like I am getting diabetes just participating in this conversation. That would be neat (photo comparison), but might be time consuming for you. I am also very curious on what Moshow can offer. I know both CCSToys and POSE+ well (except Lazengann, that one I don't have), and the ones I have are not quite on par with what Dragon can do (close, but not there if compared side by side). It would be a cool little gymnastic competition to see who are the top dogs.
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Post by bocasas on Jul 24, 2023 18:53:57 GMT -5
I agree with MPchi. I know Sentinel is not flawless but not only they tend to achieve some extreme articulation but to do small details that make it look better... I have CCS stuff, and it's great (pose + only seen reviews for now) but is not as advanced as Sentinel. For example jehuty is an almost 10 years old figure, yet it has the same articulation than many premium figures now a days, I'm talking about moving panels and things like that, things that now are standard in high end toys. Even when some companies offer something close in articulation to Sentinel, when you watch close enough you can see the difference in complexity and details. Also, Sentinel latest figures have much more die-cast than in the past, I don't know what your latest Sentinel figure was S_... (hope to get pose+ stuff soon if they re release go Shogun or their gordam)
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Post by mpchi on Jul 24, 2023 20:00:10 GMT -5
I agree with MPchi. I know Sentinel is not flawless but not only they tend to achieve some extreme articulation but to do small details that make it look better... I have CCS stuff, and it's great (pose + only seen reviews for now) but is not as advanced as Sentinel. For example jehuty is an almost 10 years old figure, yet it has the same articulation than many premium figures now a days, I'm talking about moving panels and things like that, things that now are standard in high end toys. Even when some companies offer something close in articulation to Sentinel, when you watch close enough you can see the difference in complexity and details. Also, Sentinel latest figures have much more die-cast than in the past, I don't know what your latest Sentinel figure was S_... (hope to get pose+ stuff soon if they re release go Shogun or their gordam) It all trace back to this bad boy, even before Jehuty. Sentinel's magnum opus in articulation engineering, all the way from 2012. 11 years ago. And this little guy can still beat majority of figures in articulation department. Has one of most beautiful knee bend to this day (the shin/lower leg bends with multiple joints, imagine the leg has 3 knees instead of 1, and curve back to hug the back thigh when the main knee bend all the way). Also one of the lightest LOL (no diecast whatsoever, to a point we listed Riobot here in RJ in the non-diecast action figure threads section because we didn't know it would evolve into a diecast toyline).
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Post by bocasas on Jul 24, 2023 23:31:18 GMT -5
Yeah I have some of these lightweight friends (tsugumori, jehuty, godzilla x eva...) all great figures although too pricey for just plastic, yet I love them all and I'm still hunting for Anubis (I really hate myself for not getting it when it was discounted)
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Post by S_Gokin on Jul 25, 2023 1:12:07 GMT -5
I agree with MPchi. I know Sentinel is not flawless but not only they tend to achieve some extreme articulation but to do small details that make it look better... I have CCS stuff, and it's great (pose + only seen reviews for now) but is not as advanced as Sentinel. For example jehuty is an almost 10 years old figure, yet it has the same articulation than many premium figures now a days, I'm talking about moving panels and things like that, things that now are standard in high end toys. Even when some companies offer something close in articulation to Sentinel, when you watch close enough you can see the difference in complexity and details. Also, Sentinel latest figures have much more die-cast than in the past, I don't know what your latest Sentinel figure was S_... (hope to get pose+ stuff soon if they re release go Shogun or their gordam)
of course you will agree with him, he is your partner in the bakery that specialized in sugar coating Riobot stuff
and im sure by much more diecast you mean instead of %10, now its %13 right lol
i dont not own any Sentinel product as i dont think they worth the asking price, but i have seen and hold some of their products in person, oh wait i forgot i own their Juohmaru (frame action meister)
Goshogun is crazy good and i saw Gordam in person a fellow collector also a member in RJ was kind enough to bring it with him in one of our meetings
i think Pose + could cure the Riobot curse lol ones you see and hold them you will see why i consider Riobot a C tier company
It all trace back to this bad boy, even before Jehuty. Sentinel's magnum opus in articulation engineering, all the way from 2012. 11 years ago. And this little guy can still beat majority of figures in articulation department. Has one of most beautiful knee bend to this day (the shin/lower leg bends with multiple joints, imagine the leg has 3 knees instead of 1, and curve back to hug the back thigh when the main knee bend all the way). Also one of the lightest LOL (no diecast whatsoever, to a point we listed Riobot here in RJ in the non-diecast action figure threads section because we didn't know it would evolve into a diecast toyline).
oh my god the amount of sugar coating is unbelievable man
see, back in 2008 Bandai came up with the GX-44 Tetsujin 28 it had a double jointed knees and double Jointed elbows, and moving forward to 2010 Bandai introduced the Super Robot Chogokin line with even better articulation so it was actually Bandai who started this trend, all of that started because a crazy guy called Taku Saito did some insane work in a line called the EX Gokin
both of them have beaten Riobot to the advanced joints engineering not only that they did it with actual metal not pure plastic
in the present day Bandai have the FA line crazy articulation as well, and Fewture are co-uping with Pose +, i think both are in the same level of articulation, not to mention other companies like Moshow and CCS man even the HeatBoys TMNT have good range of motion, not only that but they also offer more diecast and bigger figures
last point about Lazengann its very crazy it can do this pose
i think we should add more factors in order to determine how good the engineering in the figure is
for me i do the shake test, and high kick pose to see how well balanced the figure is
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Post by bocasas on Jul 25, 2023 3:17:09 GMT -5
Agree with your last point S_ thats why I'm not talking just about just how much it articulates, but also how the articulation work and how it looks when pushed to the limit. Aesthetics and functionality merging together... I never said CSS or pose+ lacks in that department, but Sentinel goes the extra mile by adding innovation. Believe me I always separate my tastes from my opinions for example I loved ETs dynamite action line for doing some obscure and fun figures but I would never recommend it to anyone. They were expensive, low (none) die cast, basic and magnet didn't help at all, althought many of them had a very nice sculpt and were fun (I miss ET, luckily I got their robot junior incoming).
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Post by mpchi on Jul 25, 2023 4:11:11 GMT -5
oh my god the amount of sugar coating is unbelievable man see, back in 2008 Bandai came up with the GX-44 Tetsujin 28 it had a double jointed knees and double Jointed elbows, and moving forward to 2010 Bandai introduced the Super Robot Chogokin line with even better articulation so it was actually Bandai who started this trend, all of that started because a crazy guy called Taku Saito did some insane work in a line called the EX Gokin both of them have beaten Riobot to the advanced joints engineering not only that they did it with actual metal not pure plastic in the present day Bandai have the FA line crazy articulation as well, and Fewture are co-uping with Pose +, i think both are in the same level of articulation, not to mention other companies like Moshow and CCS man even the HeatBoys TMNT have good range of motion, not only that but they also offer more diecast and bigger figures
Dooood. I am not even talking about the conventional double elbow and knee joints. And when you bring up Fewtures, SOCs, and FAs with those functional joints but either with limited range, or full of gaps and holes that breaks the sculpt, you are missing my point. You only seeing the function of having 'double joints' with good range when you brought those up. I am talking about 'double, triple joints that also have sliding panels and hidden sculpts that fill up all the gaps, looking very natural, while giving higher maximum range that is better than your examples'. It is OK if you don't appreciate articulation as much (like you value diecast more than some others), but you can't just deny there are engineering difference from a well designed joint with multiple layers vs a conventional double joint. And since you thought Lazengann with a crossed arm and leg yoga pose is a good example (impressive as it is), I present you an older Riobot Shin Getter 1 (which is inferior to Shin Getter Dragon, and older than Lazengann), that can one up that yoga pose while kissing its inner elbow, hand far enough to scratch its back, front leg knee bend with heel touches its crotch, and back leg knee bend with heel touches its butt. Meanwhile, no major gaps or holes found in the joints. See if you have a figure that can do all that, without breaking the sculpt (not saying you don't have one for real, but more for proving my point it is no easy feat, while the figure still look normal without looking dislocating an arm or a leg). Know what I am saying? Hissatsu! GETTER YOGAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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Post by zetaking on Jul 25, 2023 12:49:27 GMT -5
Ill bet most on this forum cant do that pose themselves....lol...
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Post by S_Gokin on Jul 25, 2023 13:17:23 GMT -5
Dooood. I am not even talking about the conventional double elbow and knee joints. And when you bring up Fewtures, SOCs, and FAs with those functional joints but either with limited range, or full of gaps and holes that breaks the sculpt, you are missing my point. You only seeing the function of having 'double joints' with good range when you brought those up. I am talking about 'double, triple joints that also have sliding panels and hidden sculpts that fill up all the gaps, looking very natural, while giving higher maximum range that is better than your examples'. It is OK if you don't appreciate articulation as much (like you value diecast more than some others), but you can't just deny there are engineering difference from a well designed joint with multiple layers vs a conventional double joint. And since you thought Lazengann with a crossed arm and leg yoga pose is a good example (impressive as it is), I present you an older Riobot Shin Getter 1 (which is inferior to Shin Getter Dragon, and older than Lazengann), that can one up that yoga pose while kissing its inner elbow, hand far enough to scratch its back, front leg knee bend with heel touches its crotch, and back leg knee bend with heel touches its butt. Meanwhile, no major gaps or holes found in the joints. See if you have a figure that can do all that, without breaking the sculpt (not saying you don't have one for real, but more for proving my point it is no easy feat, while the figure still look normal without looking dislocating an arm or a leg). Know what I am saying? Hissatsu! GETTER YOGAAAAAAAAAA!!!
alright i understand you better now
i guess it depends on how you pose your figures, for the sliding/ collapsing panels i think Bandai's did a good job in the Metal Build line, Moshow and HeatBoys as well
actually for me the #1 priority is quality hands down, thats why i completely look the other way when it comes to some companies, my main point with diecast is that it change the figure balance due to added weight so it make it harder and time consuming to engineer, while with mostly plastic figures its much easier to engineer the joints (also cheaper)
i will add that pose to comparison and see how many figures could do it, even tho its not in my book other than been a silly pose lol as you know most of my poses are dynamic i rarely do silly poses, i understand your point is to show how articulated the figure is by doing that pose
since you already have Shin Getter could it stand on one leg ? (high kick pose) what about the shake test ? those are legit points as well
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Post by mpchi on Jul 25, 2023 14:30:58 GMT -5
alright i understand you better now
i guess it depends on how you pose your figures, for the sliding/ collapsing panels i think Bandai's did a good job in the Metal Build line, Moshow and HeatBoys as well
actually for me the #1 priority is quality hands down, thats why i completely look the other way when it comes to some companies, my main point with diecast is that it change the figure balance due to added weight so it make it harder and time consuming to engineer, while with mostly plastic figures its much easier to engineer the joints (also cheaper) i will add that pose to comparison and see how many figures could do it, even tho its not in my book other than been a silly pose lol as you know most of my poses are dynamic i rarely do silly poses, i understand your point is to show how articulated the figure is by doing that pose
since you already have Shin Getter could it stand on one leg ? (high kick pose) what about the shake test ? those are legit points as well
Yup. Shin 1 past the single leg high kick test and the shake test no problem. No joints move or wobble when I shake it. But I have to be honest, as I pointed out previously, materials usage is not Sentinel's strong point sometimes. Most Riobots, especially the older releases won't be as sturdy as good Metal Builds or CCSToys releases (their Flame Toys line do better, as those are much closer to Metal Builds), due to being smaller and less diecast joints are used. Plastic on plastic wears fast, and some figures do get loose over time with considered amount of play. I kept my Shin very well, so the joints are still tight. Sentinel did improve in the more recent years, as we see more diecast being used on joints. Compare to Shin 1, my Riobot Getter 1 Devolution is solid like a rock (feels more like a Metal Build) because they really beefed up the joints with metal and have tighter tolerance, regardless some of its joints are smaller than Shin 1. So improvements are there, depending on which figure we are talking about. And I do get what you are saying. Quality, diecast, sturdiness, feel in hand, aesthetics, paint finish, all comes into play and they are all important, not just articulation alone. I look for those qualities too in my collection and purchases, even if I may weigh them slightly differently than you. Just that when I do see Sentinel excels in joint design and articulation (and kickass sculpts), I hope you can see that too. Just like CCSToys excels in diecast content, sturdiness, and price/value. POSE+ excels in innovation for combiners and articulation in blocky bots, Metal Build/GFFMC excels in intricate Gundam and military mech designs with very good use of inner metal frames, and Fewture excels in being super stylish and ahead of its time, while retain that super heavy old school gokin feel....etc., just to name a few brands. They are particular good at some aspects, and that's why we love them and keep buying them. The yoga challenge is silly indeed , but just a means to another fun toy conversation on RJ. HIYA!!! Ill bet most on this forum cant do that pose themselves....lol... I tried, and actually got very close. But then I started getting muscle cramps...
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Post by bocasas on Jul 25, 2023 16:19:41 GMT -5
Mpchi go to your nearest law school, show then this forum conversation and ask them to give you your lawyers degree. You've earned it 🤣🤣🤣 I've trying to get S_ to understand that for a long time. I don't say Sentinel is better than others brands, but when it comes to articulation they are at the forefront in terms of design and aesthetics. I have figures from very different lines and I've come to appreciate each brand strong points and their not so strong points. we have handled a lot of figures, and sometimes I can't avoid the feeling that some things could have been done better when playing with them. And then yes, you could have preference for one brand over others because it priorities goes along with your preferences, but that does not mean other companies suck. I agree with the appreciations you make about other brands S_ and mpchi I hope you give Sentinel a second chance S_ , you are a great photographer and reviewer, you will make them shine and enjoy them for sure (riobot GL for example).
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Post by mpchi on Jul 25, 2023 16:41:55 GMT -5
Mpchi go to your nearest law school, show then this forum conversation and ask them to give you your lawyers degree. You've earned it 🤣🤣🤣 I've trying to get S_ to understand that for a long time. I don't say Sentinel is better than others brands, but when it comes to articulation they are at the forefront in terms of design and aesthetics. I have figures from very different lines and I've come to appreciate each brand strong points and their not so strong points. we have handled a lot of figures, and sometimes I can't avoid the feeling that some things could have been done better when playing with them. And then yes, you could have preference for one brand over others because it priorities goes along with your preferences, but that does not mean other companies suck. I agree with the appreciations you make about other brands S_ and mpchi I hope you give Sentinel a second chance S_ , you are a great photographer and reviewer, you will make them shine and enjoy them for sure (riobot GL for example). Meanwhile, you interested in some sugary baking business partnership when I have some down time between court cases and toys?
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Post by S_Gokin on Jul 26, 2023 12:46:01 GMT -5
Mpchi go to your nearest law school, show then this forum conversation and ask them to give you your lawyers degree. You've earned it 🤣🤣🤣 I've trying to get S_ to understand that for a long time. I don't say Sentinel is better than others brands, but when it comes to articulation they are at the forefront in terms of design and aesthetics. I have figures from very different lines and I've come to appreciate each brand strong points and their not so strong points. we have handled a lot of figures, and sometimes I can't avoid the feeling that some things could have been done better when playing with them. And then yes, you could have preference for one brand over others because it priorities goes along with your preferences, but that does not mean other companies suck. I agree with the appreciations you make about other brands S_ and mpchi I hope you give Sentinel a second chance S_ , you are a great photographer and reviewer, you will make them shine and enjoy them for sure (riobot GL for example).
i see, so you want your partner to have another degree other than his PHD in sugar coating lol
to be honest with you my friend im not loyal to any brand my loyalty goes to the product, some times when i get a figure i feel like i over paid for it (most awful feeling) and unlike the idea thats been going on that i dislike Riobot, i really dont dislike anyone i believe every company helps in the market some how either in rising the competition bar or by bringing new ideas
thank you for your kind words, hopefully one day i will try to grab something they made
Meanwhile, you interested in some sugary baking business partnership when I have some down time between court cases and toys?
thats my joke man come on LOL
btw i found some freetime today and i managed to take the comparison pictures i told you about, but do you think we should create another thread in the General section so we dont spam this ?
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Post by mpchi on Jul 26, 2023 14:23:44 GMT -5
...btw i found some freetime today and i managed to take the comparison pictures i told you about, but do you think we should create another thread in the General section so we dont spam this ? Keep it in here, since most of our back and forth are already here, and Shin Getter 1 does have the same legs as Shin Dragon, so it is still a legit point of reference. But yeah, show me those cool pics. Want to see how they measure up, especially Moshow stuff that I don't have much experience of. And we can go back on-topic after your post.
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Post by S_Gokin on Jul 26, 2023 16:36:17 GMT -5
all right guys here is some of the figures that have crazy articulation as the Riobot
1 SOC GX-83 Daimos FA
about 273 Grams and around 7' (17cm)
the fist could touch the shoulder
butterfly (shoulders) joint
the heel almost touched the back
surprisingly it couldnt do a full split but still acceptable range
the silly yoga pose
next with Pose + Goshogun
about 792 Grams and 11.5" (29cm)
the fist almost touching the shoulders
butterfly (shoulder) joint
the leg couldn't reach that far back but i assure with Baxingar it could do so
perfect split
the silly yoga pose (if you want to do this pose be careful not to break the horn) also notice how far the head could look up
3- HeatBoys TMNT Leonardo
not %100 sure but ive read its around 854grams and around 9' (23cm)
the fist couldnt reach that far to the shoulder
butterfly (shoulder) joint
the leg could do a (bit) deeper but i stopped since i didnt want to scratch any thing
perfect split
silly yoga pose
next CCS Toys Lazengann
its about 472grams and about 9.2' (23.5cm)
fist are very close to the shoulder
butterfly (shoulder joints)
legs could touch the back
perfect split with a little extra the range of motion in the ankle is crazy
silly yoga pose
next the beast from Fewture EX Gokin line Getter Dragon im honestly not sure about the weight but ive read its 1.2KG (correct me if im wrong) and its around 10.2' (26cm) please note the figure is very rare and very expensive so i didnt want to risk anything, im not saying the figure is fragile all im saying is i was extra careful handling it
this pic combine the fist can touch the shoulder and how articulated the shoulder armors (its on a ball joint)
the butterfly (shoulder) joint
the leg is close enough to the backside
perfect split
silly yoga pose
N\A sorry im not welling to risk
finally Moshow Takeda Shingen
its about 1KG (953g) and its around its 11.4' (29cm)
fist could touch the shoulders + the shoulder armor is crazy articulated
butterfly (shoulder) joints
the feet could touch the back but again i didnt want to scratch any thing since the figure armor got in the way
perfect split
silly yoga pose
N\A the armor got in the way
those are poses we agreed on, i assure each one of the figures i picked could do even more craziness but i didnt want to spam this thread you can see more in my Instagram
but since i feel i didnt give Takeda justice i recommend checking this clip
bonus figure SOC GX-55 Tobikage normal version its about 5.5' (13.9cm) not sure about the weight
fist very close to the shoulder + shoulder armor movent
feet could touch the back side
perfect split
silly yoga pose
this is by far the longest post i worked on since i joined RJ lol
i hope you enjoyed it
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Post by mpchi on Jul 26, 2023 17:08:45 GMT -5
S_Gokin. These are AWESOME. Thanks for indulging my curiosity. Gotta say some of these cracks me up while looking at the photos. Goshogun did quite well in the yoga pose, yet he looks like he is really suffering with that priceless face. But I have to give props to Goshogun, as the ankle side to side rocker range is pretty insane (beats Riobot Shin's). Mine is a bit tough to extend out to pose, but when I do, it pretty much has the same range as Lazengann's ankle rocker, as blocky as Goshogun's ankle may look. Very nice to see the other entries as well, a good gauge on those brand's articulation in general. Thanks man. A very fun read! Oooooooh~!!! Just when I was about to post this, I got Shin Getter Dragon delivered! YES!! Will give a more detail report after I get the chance to open it tonight.
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