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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 13, 2004 9:14:33 GMT -5
Hehe, I'll give you the spirit of gattai thing, but you can't have seen any Dancougar if you think it's just a robot stepping on 2 others with a hat for height gain. There's actually an episode where one of the pilots (of the land cougar) is injured so they try to fool the enemy by fighting from a valley where they can't see the missing foot, but in the show, Dancougar is much less powerful when missing any of its parts. I mean, you'd think Voltes and Combattler, fighting entirely in the air, wouldn't really need their feet, would they? But they do. And comparing it with Combattler again, it and combattler both have parts that turn into the head and feet. I've seen Dancouga. Nice, but doesn't have that oldskool feel. It's personal preference. "Badmouthed?" You're kidding right? The author of this thread asked for views about the Dan, and Z3. I gave my opinion on Dancouga. He's a hat and shoe bot. Even those who liked the design would agree that he is. How can that be badmouthing? Looks like you mis-interpreted my post. As far as the "hat and shoe" comment goes, it's pretty much common saying when GX-13 Dancouga is being discussed. No, actually I am that shallow. ;D Seriously though, I am more of an aesthetics, and design kind of guy. Like I said, let us just agree to disagree with the features of the Dancouga, whether it be the show/anime, or the toy. You like it, I don't. We're both right, and then again, we can also be both wrong. Let us just leave it at that, shall we? |
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Post by ataru on Jun 13, 2004 11:10:54 GMT -5
The bad-mouthing comment comes from the whole not a real gattai thing. Trust me, I understood your post. I'm not trying to convince *you* to like it, I'm just trying to make sure other people aren't swayed into not liking it by the hat and shoes thing- it's a lot better than just faking it like with the getter socs (which i love anyway but *not* for the non-existent toy gattai) and it fortunately doesn't sacrifice articulation unlike most combinations, including Zanbot's. If you go by the toys, it's much more of a gattai robot than the getter robo that you listed as one.
At this point, I'm not saying you're wrong on anything other than Getter (other than the hyper-engineered and still anime-inaccurate perfect change getters) being real gattai where Dancougar isn't. In the shows you could *sorta* make that case (although I'd still disagree), but not with the toys- and you just admitted to caring about aesthetics and design, not the shows. Everything else I'd say you're either totally right on or is up to personal preference.
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Post by bbechtold on Jun 13, 2004 11:18:04 GMT -5
Dancouga is probably my favorite SoC so far...but is it perfect? Nope. I really wish they worked more on the head/neck...and the fists are way too loose. Its really hard to pose it with out the sword "flopping".
Those complaints aside, I think Dancouga is VERY impressive looking. I know nothing of the history of this bot/series...but I love the design, even if it is fairly simple.
Bill
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 13, 2004 12:30:21 GMT -5
The bad-mouthing comment comes from the whole not a real gattai thing. Ataru, don't take this the wrong way, but, which part of "it's hat and shoe-so it's not real gattai comment is my opinion" did you not get? You like Dancouga, fine. You don't hear me telling you that you're too biased do you? You like Dancouga, and you can argue about all it's good points, toy and anime wise, all day, and that is your opinion and no one can say you're wrong. Just because you don't like my opinion about the toy, does not mean I already badmouthed it. Thus Kami-sama gave men freewill. ;D ;D ;D If I employ the attitude of "liking the show to like the toy" bit, that would be limiting myself too much, and I like to have a wide selection of stuff I want to buy. I have several pieces in my collection that I value very much, and I've never once watched, or liked the anime/show they came from. That doesn't make them anyhing less that the others. I'm not too nitpicky about stuff I buy. If I like it, I'll buy it, even if it's a boot, and original, plastic, or diecast. To hell if I like the show it came from, or not. That's the kind of collector I am. Once again, let us just agree to disagree.  |
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Post by ataru on Jun 13, 2004 13:51:24 GMT -5
You've repeated the "agree to disagree" thing more than enough. I already told you in my last post that I either thought you were correct or that it was a matter of opinion on every point except for the one, which is the one point you ignored. That point is the one concerning getter. You said getter is real gattai and you say dancougar is not. You said you care about the toys, not the anime. And yet, the toy getters do not combine, and the toy dancougars do. This is a clear contradiction. Is it just that you personally don't consider dancougar a real gattai because you don't like it and getter is one because you do like it? I'd love to see you explain how getter toys are *real* gattai toys when they in fact don't gattai. BTW this "I have several pieces in my collection that I value very much, and I've never once watched, or liked the anime/show they came from. That doesn't make them anyhing less that the others." holds true for me too... so I didn't really need the lesson. I think everything's been covered fine except for that one point, so feel free to rebutt the getter point or change your mind or not reply at all. For the rest, I agree to disagree with you the same as I ALREADY HAD when I wrote the last post. edit- I won't reply again to this thread, so you can have the last word if ya want. sometimes i momentarily forget that i don't really enjoy argument, whether im winning or losing ;D |
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Post by Omni Existence on Jun 13, 2004 15:06:40 GMT -5
You've repeated the "agree to disagree" thing more than enough. Then you should have understood it the first time, and left the topic as is, instead of attepting to push how Dancouga is "gattai" down my throat. Ataru, this is where I seriously doubt if you understood my replies or not. First, if I say that Dancouga is not "real gattai" that is MY OPINION. You or I don't have to prove anything. Initially we are talking about a toy. I only mentioned Getter Robo as gattai, since you implied Dancouga's "gattai-ness" after explaining it, based on the anime you've watched. So I assumed we were on the level, and we were now discussing gattai, anime wise. My mistake. If you find that Dancouga's design is as gattai as everything else that's considered gattai (toy or anime-wise), then I won't hold that against you. But don't go twisting my own words/opinions, and holding them against me, just because I don't share the same views of Dancouga as you do. Read the second paragraph of my second statement. You gave me a lesson about Dancouga's gattai based on the anime. I replied that Getter Robo is gattai, thinking we were talking anime at that point. Now you're telling me we're back to the toy? Do you really think I would include Getter Robo in that list, had we stuck to talking about the toys? I don't consider Dancouga gattai because it isn't. My own opinion. You called it as such, not me. The funny thing is, I already stated my willingness to stop this discussion, after I stated that we'll just agree to disagree in my first reply to your post.You had dragged it out by posting further arguements about how Dancouga was gattai. I state my case, and then you call MY OPINION badmouthing, and now you drop things like a hot potato, coz you don't enjoy arguing? How very nice of you. **Fellow Mods/Admins, I will not touch this thread. If you feel it approprpriate to lock or delete, then by all means.** |
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Post by bbechtold on Jun 13, 2004 15:17:29 GMT -5
Someone wanna define "real gattai" to me?
-Bill the Dum robot Collector
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Post by Chen on Jun 13, 2004 15:55:50 GMT -5
bbechtold-
Gattai means combine, so robots like Combattler V, Dancouga, and Getter Robo are considered Gattai. The problem occurs because the meaning of the word is so broad. Combattler/Voltes are what you call traditional Gattai robots since the ships transform completely to combine into the large robots. All Getter Robo's are Gattai too, but their transformation is more of a morphing technique which is next to impossible to produce as a toy and keep the Anime looks at the same time. The problem with Dancouga being considered a Gattai robot has more to do with the less complex nature of his transformation. It's basically one large robot who gets taller by getting new feet and a new head. He is a Gattai robot, but in only the broadest sence. But this is only my opinion and I encourage you to make up your own mind about this subject.
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Post by bbechtold on Jun 13, 2004 16:29:17 GMT -5
So, Devastator and the such are gettai, but Fort Max probably isn't I guess. BTW, am I the only one here who is half embarassed when they goto a shop to buy robotsand having no clue how pronounce half the words.  Words like Evangelion, Chogokin, etc...all gave me fits... I own probably close to 1000 robots if you include all my Gundams and Transformers....and I still feel like a dumb ass.  Bill |
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Post by ptjoe on Jun 13, 2004 22:25:51 GMT -5
This turned out to be an interesting thread  . I have found that my facination with the toys have made me seek out the anime. The description of the Dancouga anime sounds very cool. I know that I will eventally buy both of these SOCs. I like the idea of Dancouga's individual robots being multiple-transformers AND having the capability to combine, although I understand the gattai part being less involved as others. I also think that Zambot's combination looks awesone. Since I have several of the old school SOCs, I'm going to go get the Dancouga first. Here are my thoughts on it: 1. Dancouga has been around for a while and I want to get one before they stop making them 2. I want to get one while they are still (relatively) close to the original retail price. I'll probably get Zambot in a couple of months. and I HOPE to get the Getter G trio after that. Those Getters are getting expensive though. I hope they rerelease them. Oh, that reminds me, I need to get Boss Borot and Eva 01 too. I'll have a mortgage downpayment's worth of zinc here shortly... Regards and thanks for the info. I'll let you know what I think of both SOCs when I get them. |
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Post by rayar on Jun 15, 2004 18:58:00 GMT -5
Dancouga is much bigger and more menacing than zambot. His separate components transform into robots as well as animals and look good in all forms. 2. Zambot is okay, but the only good part about it is zambo ace. The zambull (drill unit) already gives you an indication of the part of the robot its designed to be which is kinda like a turn off. Both have cool accessories, and zambot has the more metallic look to it. Yes dancouga does look a bit plastic and even though I love the detailing of his head I think they made it attatch like that because the small bird is a fragile piece and didnt want to make it hard to remove. I havent seen the anime for either of them so your desicion should be based on which one you like better as a character. I usually put my robots together and display them, and never play with them so in combined form I would give the edge to zambot. broken apart I would chosse dancouga. If anyone requests it I can put up comparison pics for your viewing pleasure.
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Post by dme3o on Jun 15, 2004 19:00:40 GMT -5
I'd love to see some pics! Can you hook it up for us?  |
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Post by rayar on Jun 15, 2004 19:02:57 GMT -5
Ill take them side by side for you. Give me a couple on minutes.
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Post by dme3o on Jun 15, 2004 19:03:51 GMT -5
Thanks! That would be a big help to us all! |
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Post by jwm on Jun 15, 2004 19:04:57 GMT -5
Just got Zambot. Zambot vs. Dancouga: Big Z by a knockout, a shutout, and a tail pulling. Zambot Rules.
JWM
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Post by dme3o on Jun 15, 2004 19:11:28 GMT -5
Hey JWM! That would make a great "DPW" short series!
Do you think you can do that? BTW, the "As Cybertron turns" is just as funny--->on Spacebridge.
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Post by rayar on Jun 15, 2004 19:15:28 GMT -5
I have no idea how to put them up. Can someone please tell me how
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Post by dme3o on Jun 15, 2004 19:16:36 GMT -5
you have to have web space and create a link on your post to put 'em up...or you can e-mail me the pics and I can host them for you if you wish!
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Post by rayar on Jun 15, 2004 20:32:00 GMT -5
I just emailed you the pics. please let me know if you received them
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Post by dme3o on Jun 15, 2004 20:40:49 GMT -5
Got 'em! Thanks! Posting:      Here ya GO! ;D |
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