(Sorry) Macross/ Robotech dvd's?

[ji mu]

First off, I just wanted to apologize in advance for asking a question that has probably been asked a thousand times, and for making you pull your hair out.

I need some help here understanding what's what.

The first Dvd set of Macross I saw was Macross Plus.
This was great, I loved it, it was beautiful. I want more.

I've done some reading on Wikipedia on Robotech and Macross, and get how Robotech came about. I also have spent some time on Amazon reading reviews of the different episodes and trying to put that all together so I can understand what's what.

I get that there are some re-edits of the shows so that they could air in America, and that some of the masters where found not long ago and a new "re-mastered" collection is available.

So I thought I would treat myself and I bought;
Robotech - Protoculture Collection.

I feel lucky to come into this now, and to be able to buy this whole set in this package.

My question is;
Are there other episodes of Macross that are not included in the Protoculture box set?

I get the notion that there are other versions, or edits of the same shows, and that is not what I am interested in.

I'm trying to find out if there is a series of Macross that is not in this Protoculture Collection, besides the newly released movie, and if so what is it.

Thank you very much for your help with this! And sorry again for the lame question!
Jim

[00silvergt]

If Macross is your passion, www.advfilms.com/titles/macross/ click there and you will find th eoriginal Japanese Macross dubbed in English using Minmei's original Japanese voice. It uses their original names e.g. Hikaru Ichijo, Misa Hayase, etc.

If Robotech is your bag, then a while back there was an 8 disc set, I think it was, for Macross, Masters and the New Generation. I don;t know if you can still find and buy it, but there was Sentinels as well. Recently, Shadow Chronicles was released.

[ji mu]

So, if I am getting this right, Macross vol. 1 thru 7 is something different, and would not be found on the complete Robotech series, vols. 1 - 85?

Thank You for the help!!!!!

[00silvergt]

These are what Harmony Gold hacked up to make Robotech.

[ji mu]

O.K. thanks a lot for that.
I went to Amazon and cancelled the order for the 'Robotech - Protoculture Collection'

and will look at the link you provided for ADV films to pick up the Macross collection.

I can always go back and get the RPC later if I feel like I really need a fix...

Really appreciate your help with clearing that up.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

[Chen]

As you know Robotech and Macross are completely different stories using the the same animation. I love both, Robotech for that generational feel and how war's carry over from generation to generation and Macross for it's technical aspect and cohesive technical history and depth.

If your into Macross then you need to watch Macross Zero, get the Macross: Do You Remember Love movie and stay away from Macross II and Macross 7, there pure crap.

[00silvergt]

Bestbuy should have it as well. Nice thing for you is that now you can buy the whole thing at once, where I had to wait a year and half to complete it. You can turn off the dubbing and hear it as it aired in 1982. The whole thing has been remastered, both the audio and video. In the 1990's they had the Macross Perfect Collection, but I think it was only offered in VHS, but it had both the Original Japanese Macross and right after that was the Robotech version.

[00silvergt]

chen said:

As you know Robotech and Macross are completely different stories using the the same animation. I love both, Robotech for that generational feel and how war's carry over from generation to generation and Macross for it's technical aspect and cohesive technical history and depth.

If your into Macross then you need to watch Macross Zero, get the Macross: Do You Remember Love movie and stay away from Macross II and Macross 7, there pure crap.

Macross II was ok, just ok, though. 7, is kind of interesting, but yeah it is crap.

Keep in mind that, "Summer of '84: Do You Remember Love?" happens in an alternate timeline, but is very interesting to watch. Stay away from the HK english version and steer waaaay clear from the American version of the HK english version; "Clash of the Bionoids"

[Otaru Ikari]

You can treat them separate.

When Macross was brought to North America to be shown as Robotech, it included 3 different shows, SDF: Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeda, which are three totally different series all on their own but merge as on saga in Robotech.

As for Macross here is as far as I can remember if we will try the time line:

Macross Zero - newest to date, a prequel to the whole Macross story

SDF Macross : TV series - This was the first one

DYRL (Do You Remember Love)- Macross movie, like a retelling of the original series where the designs of the VFs wear tweaked to look more uniformed.

Flashback 2012 - More of a music video but did show the VF-4 and Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay aboard the Megaroad riding off the sunset and never be seen again (sob.. sob)

Macross Plus - (both appeared as OAVs and a movie) - story of Isamu, Guld and Myung.

Macross 7 - Story of City 7, fire bomber , max and millia - another TV series , a short movie was also made Macross 7 Galaxy is calling me.

Others:

Macross II - treated as a parallel world though with cool VF designs

[Chen]

I wouldn't call DYRL an alternate timeline more of a compressed version of the series, but yeah there are enough differences to make it more of a compendium than an actual part of the series.

[00silvergt]

Then there is another you all forgot and rightfully so, since it sucked, Robotech: The movie. This is when HG and Carl, good ole Carl decided to splice scenes from Megazone 23 into The Super Dimensional Calvary: The Southern Cross in order to make a movie.

[00silvergt]

In case you are wondering why would Carl Macek and Harmony Gold take 3 shows, Super Dimensional Fortress: Macross, Super Dimensional Cavalry: The Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospeada and create a different series named after a line of models by Revell?

Well, Macek wanted to bring Macross to the states, in fact HG created a pilot that featured the first episode of SDF:Macross as a test broadcast which still featured the original names of the Macross characters. (Source: Macross DVD special features volume 1) then came the monster called public opinion. They found through their initial broadcast that people prefer English names and slightly different dialogue. People wanted the show to be more American or North American.

Now here comes the Southern Cross and Genesis Climber factor. Why then would he take two other shows and hack it to be darned? Of course when this happens the first show is the one who suffers the least and the middle one is totally screwed. While the third show is altered a bit more than the first for the correct tie-in. Well the reason for the hack and slash job is simple mathematics. Macross consisted only of 36 Episodes. Even if only one episode was to be aired per week, Macross would be weeks short of a full season, (which was 65 episodes) much like what happens to Power Rangers. So to fill in they added two similar shows, at least in appearance to the line. All three of these are then combined under the banner Robotech, which was a trademark used by Revell, a model toy company that imported Japanese Mecha models from Macross, Dougram, Votoms, etc. [FASA also had some licenses on some of the mechs, namely the Regult and the Valkyrie. Those of you who Remember Mechwarrior One and Two (PC) would remember these two mechs as an optional mech to pilot.]

[ji mu]

(getting up to speed)

It looks like 'Macross: Do You Remember Love' movie is no longer available?


And as you can tell, I didn't really get that they where two different shows.

Sounds like both have their strengths and probably would be worth seeing each.

I guess what threw me was that the early Robotech episodes have the word 'Macross' in some of the titles and it just made me think it was the same stuff...

It also looks like Macross has yet to be put into a complete box collection and the volumes need to be bought separately, that's O.K.

I do see that there is Macross
Set 1 /eps. 1-12,
Set 2/ eps. 13-24,
and Set 3/ eps. 25-36.
that looks like a good way to go, or at least watch up to 36.

And I will see if I can find Do You Remember Love too.

I'll keep and open mind to getting the Robotech - Protoculture Collection too just to see all of robotech, but that will have to wait a bit.

[00silvergt]

Actually 3 different show, actially. Do You Remember Love? Is still available provided you are looking for it in the right places. cgi.ebay.com/Macross-Movie-Do-You-Remember-Love-DVD-Perfect-Edition_W0QQitemZ320080509007QQihZ011QQcategoryZ617QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This dude in AZ has it for 6.95 + Shipping.

This one is even cheaper in CA:
cgi.ebay.com/Macross-Do-You-Remember-Love-English-Subtitle-DVD_W0QQitemZ190082765653QQihZ009QQcategoryZ1345QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


But, wait are you looking for Macross or Robotech? Macross only has 36 episodes. But has a few follow up stories. A prequel, like Star Wars, called Macross Zero, that's 5 DVD's I think it was and a few special one shot deals afterwards. Flashback 2012, which as Chen said is a collection of music videos in which Minnei is flashing back the good ole days when Hikaru/Rick was still diggin on her.

[Ben-Ohki]

I think it's important to make sure our new friend here understands that as far as "Robotech" the original series is concerned, he's lucked out - the Protoculture Collection is going to be the end all and be all of Robotech and is as complete as he's going to get. This is the boxed set that includes the remastered audio and video.

If you fall in love with the first 36 episodes of Robotech, then by all means, do the research and hunt down more of the Macross stuff.
I think people who dismiss Macross 2 and Macross 7 are being overly harsh... the original Macross (the first generation of Robotech) had its fair share of silliness too, remember?

[00silvergt]

Ben you make a good point. However, it was first to be silly. LOL Yeah, guys remember Macross II had some hot anime babes! LOL

[Chen]

Totally true, the whole male versus female thing and the effect of Minmay's music was a little silly. That's why I prefer Robotech in that aspect, they played down some of sillier aspects of Macross and replaced it with a lack of consistency ;D. Either way I say watch both and just pick whichever you prefer, just don't turn into one of those uber geeks like at Macrossworld, they pick apart of every aspect of Macross all the way down what kind of urinal cakes were used on the SDF-1 .

[ji mu]

benohki said:

If you fall in love with the first 36 episodes of Robotech, then by all means, do the research and hunt down more of the Macross stuff.

hmmmm.

This sentence would have made sense (oops) to me if it read, "with the first 36 episodes of [Macross]."

because I'm thinking that the original Macross was 36 eps.

[are you saying that the first 36 eps. of The Robotech Protoculture box set are the same as the first 36 eps. of Macross?]


It is a new series to me, I have known about this series for awhile but just did not know where to start.

So I got the Macross Plus DVD, and like I said, I loved it.

I really thought that Macross and Robotech were really the same thing, for the most part anyway, and now I'm seeing otherwise.

I was going to get the Robotech Protoculture box set because, in my ignorance, I thought it contained the whole Macross/ Robotech Saga, everything and that I would be sitting pretty with all I needed.


Now I am thinking, after all of the much appreciated help I have gotten here, that I might like to start out with the Macross series.

I did find this box set;
www.robotech.com/store/viewproduct.php?id=93
and it looks like it is the full first 36 episodes, original cuts (not edited) and it might be a good place to start.

If I have this right, these episodes that I linked to above are not on this;
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B5IOY8/ref=pd_cp_d_title/104-6334365-4688721

It's a tough series (Group of Series) to sort out!

[Ben-Ohki]

jimstl said:

benohki said:

If you fall in love with the first 36 episodes of Robotech, then by all means, do the research and hunt down more of the Macross stuff.

hmmmm.

This sentence would have made sentence to me if it read, "with the first 36 episodes of [Macross]."

because I'm thinking that the original Macross was 36 eps.

Nope - I meant what I said. The original 1982 Japanese anime series Macross became the first part of the American cartoon Robotech. So watching the first 36 episodes of Robotech is almost like watching Macross dubbed in English (with a few exceptions). You'd have a pretty good idea whether or not you'd enjoy the other Macross sequels and spin-offs. After episode 36, Robotech's timeline diverges dramatically from the Macross storylines because that's when those two other shows got edited in.

jimstl said:

So I got the Macross Plus DVD, and like I said, I loved it.

I really thought that Macross and Robotech were really the same thing, for the most part anyway, and now I'm seeing otherwise.

You picked a great place to start - Macross Plus is definitely one of the most popular sequels in the Macross line-up. Y'know that giant humanoid-looking fortress that Sharon Apple controls at the end of that movie? Well, that's the SDF-1 - the first 36 episodes of Robotech (and the original Macross series) is the story of that ship!

jimstl said:

I was going to get the Robotech Protoculture box set because, in my ignorance, I thought it contained the whole Macross/ Robotech Saga, everything and that I would be sitting pretty with all I needed.


Now I am thinking, after all of the much appreciate help I have gotten here, that I might like to start out with the Macross series.

I did find this box set;
www.robotech.com/store/viewproduct.php?id=93
and it looks like it is the full first 36 episodes, original cuts (not edited) with some voices that the Old School fans really like.... yes? and it might be a good place to start.

It's a tough series (Group of Series) to sort out, but I think I'm getting there!

Does that sound about right?

That box is of the original Macross tv series. When people talk about "Macross" being "uncut" they are often referring to the way the original 1982 series was before it got turned into the first part of Robotech. But like I said earlier - both versions are pretty close to each other. It's the other two series (Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeda that really got chopped up to fit in with the war story started in Macross when Robotech was being created.

[00silvergt]

chen said:

Totally true, the whole male versus female thing and the effect of Minmay's music was a little silly. That's why I prefer Robotech in that aspect, they played down some of sillier aspects of Macross and replaced it with a lack of consistency ;D. Either way I say watch both and just pick whichever you prefer, just don't turn into one of those uber geeks like at Macrossworld, they pick apart of every aspect of Macross all the way down what kind of urinal cakes were used on the SDF-1 .

Chen, I have to disagree about the men and women thing. Robotech does mention that men Zentraedi and women "Zentraedi" are at war. The Macross version has the cool name for the broads; Meltlandi. And the effect of Minmei's songs are just as silly in Robotech as it is in Macross.