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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 12, 2006 23:10:19 GMT -5
u guys are being too cocky and harsh here, hey i mean GX-13 looks perfect for me, I really dont see why you guys keep whining about everything that they didnt pay attention to. I agree. GX-13 is a pretty good balance between durable toy and still looks cool. I think with any figure there's always going to be "weaknesses". Even with the Popy originals, sure they are durable, but they only had maybe four or five joints at most. I wouldn't try to say that Aquarion is perfect or anything, but there's no way I would stand behind the CM GGGG either. Lest anyone forgets, they had two tries to get it right, and they completely failed the first time around while screwing everyone over who paid the $600 smack in the face. yup... that's what i'm trying to say.. i mean at least tackle the issues if we're going to be shelling out that much for it... awww man, don't get me started with aquarion... that toy was a rip off... i'm sorry aquarion fans... this is where i stand...
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Post by mannyD on Jul 13, 2006 4:52:27 GMT -5
...more diecast on the shoulders, hands and the head... you know, make the fragile parts unfragile. ... like the connector for the head of dancouga... it doesn't really "connect" the head to the body. all it does, really, is to provide some leverage for the head. the head just "sits" on the connector, not actually connect it. i mean it would be nice to be able to pick him up by the head... dude you read the review in collectionDX- www.collectiondx.com/node/567so you have concerns on dancouga's plastic content on the upper body and the head of dancouga on just sitting there and not locking. well if the upper body has more diecast content, i think dancouga would be so top heavy, very easily toppled. specially when you put the back booster/wings. as josh said in his review- "You can attach the Booster unit to Dancouga's back securely, but doing so makes him top heavy. Loose hip joints make him topple over easily when the unit is attached". so i think bandai design it well for it not to topple more easily if you put more diecast in the upper body. diecast is good, but take account the overall design and stability of the robot too add, an all diecast robot is not feasible if the robot is a "transformer" . plastic, with molded-in color, is more durable on transforming robots. the paint on diecast tends to chip easily on the wear and tear of transformation. so diecast is on the parts less receiving "rubbing" on transformation. hate to see an all diecast dancouga with lots of paint scratches here and there and for the "eagle fighter" (head of dancouga). dude it is an intricate 2 inch tall robot. despite it's small size it can transform into 3 modes- beast/eagle form, humaroid with gun, and head of dancouga. each form looks very good. if you put some kind of locking mechanism in that small frame, it would look awful in any mode. better to sit, than have any locking mechanism hanging out and look terrible. even if it has a locking mechanism on the head, would you pick it up on the head? LOL, you don't pick up voltes V, or any robot, on the head
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 13, 2006 6:55:06 GMT -5
well, maybe i'm exagerrating a little bit... all i'm saying was, maybe they should've designed the head in a way that would provide more articulation and at the same time, make the head more secured when connected. dude, everything's feasible... that's why we have scientists and engineers living in this world. we've already put a go-cart on mars... but seriously, if they can design a 12 inch robot and be able to have one thing and have it transform in 3 diferrent phases, then what's stopping you from going the extra mile, right? And I don't think making the hands and the head diecast metal instead of plastic has anything to do with dancouga toppling over easily. i mean the center of gravity falls on dancouga's waist, not on his knees where he's vulnerable. so adding milligrams of weight is not going to make him fall easily. and i wouldn't worry about paint chipping either. bandai's done a good job in mixing certain chemicals on the paint they used which makes the paint withstand some beating. i mean, just compare the paint they used on the gadaikin lines 20 years ago and compare it to today's SOC line. and no, i don't think it would look awful with a locking mechanism. maybe you don't need it... that is if they re-design the existing line.
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Post by mannyD on Jul 14, 2006 1:59:53 GMT -5
yeah...well like i said, diecast is good. and locking mechanisms here and there maybe also good. but IMO, soc dancouga is already good as it is. goodluck on your wait for an all diecast dancouga, that you can also pick up on the head
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 14, 2006 14:46:59 GMT -5
yeah...well like i said, diecast is good. and locking mechanisms here and there maybe also good. but IMO, soc dancouga is already good as it is. goodluck on your wait for an all diecast dancouga, that you can also pick up on the head yeah, i really wish they would make one.
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Post by komenrider on Jul 14, 2006 17:23:59 GMT -5
hmm? I got no prob with my dancouga, it keeps it's balance with the booster. About the head.. I do agree, kinda shaky and I hate the part where I have to disassemble and reassemble eagle's hand.
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 15, 2006 1:17:16 GMT -5
hmm? I got no prob with my dancouga, it keeps it's balance with the booster. About the head.. I do agree, kinda shaky and I hate the part where I have to disassemble and reassemble eagle's hand. tell me about it! that's probably the area that definitely needs some improvement.
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Post by chuckdawg1999 on Jul 15, 2006 22:51:21 GMT -5
I'm kinda new to the Chogokin style of toys but one thing I have found that is universal to all lines is that the manufacturers want to make money. A company like Takara or Bandai will only put so much effort into a product as they know they will get back. People want all Die-Cast 1/48 Valkyries from Yamamoto but will never get them; because no one wants to pay $400+. Same thing for Transformers. The US will probably not see MP-02 or MP-03 because of the bath Hasbro took on 20th anniversary Prime. Heck it took 2-3 years for Takara to feel comfortable to go ahead with the Starscream project. Would you be willing to pay 3 or 400+ for a all Die-Cast Dancouga? Unfortunately most fans wouldn't.
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Post by wilson on Jul 16, 2006 0:05:34 GMT -5
soc dancouga dose have alot of diecast in it and it only cost around $200.
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 16, 2006 0:13:52 GMT -5
I'm kinda new to the Chogokin style of toys but one thing I have found that is universal to all lines is that the manufacturers want to make money. A company like Takara or Bandai will only put so much effort into a product as they know they will get back. People want all Die-Cast 1/48 Valkyries from Yamamoto but will never get them; because no one wants to pay $400+. Same thing for Transformers. The US will probably not see MP-02 or MP-03 because of the bath Hasbro took on 20th anniversary Prime. Heck it took 2-3 years for Takara to feel comfortable to go ahead with the Starscream project. Would you be willing to pay 3 or 400+ for a all Die-Cast Dancouga? Unfortunately most fans wouldn't. Guess again! I paid $475 (less shipping) for a GX-13R Dancouga limited edition... and guess what? That was just the repainted version! If you think no one's willing to shell out top bucks for an all-diecast toys, well, I guess it's time for you to get to know your "hardcore SOC fans-money is not an issue" friends here in Robot-Japan forum. So welcome aboard and good to meet you, buddy!
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 16, 2006 0:15:15 GMT -5
soc dancouga dose have alot of diecast in it and it only cost around $200. Yeah, but what I was trying to say was, I think they should make the head more secure when you transform it. At least tackle the issue, that's I'm really asking for.
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Post by chuckdawg1999 on Jul 20, 2006 21:19:23 GMT -5
I'm kinda new to the Chogokin style of toys but one thing I have found that is universal to all lines is that the manufacturers want to make money. A company like Takara or Bandai will only put so much effort into a product as they know they will get back. People want all Die-Cast 1/48 Valkyries from Yamamoto but will never get them; because no one wants to pay $400+. Same thing for Transformers. The US will probably not see MP-02 or MP-03 because of the bath Hasbro took on 20th anniversary Prime. Heck it took 2-3 years for Takara to feel comfortable to go ahead with the Starscream project. Would you be willing to pay 3 or 400+ for a all Die-Cast Dancouga? Unfortunately most fans wouldn't. Guess again! I paid $475 (less shipping) for a GX-13R Dancouga limited edition... and guess what? That was just the repainted version! If you think no one's willing to shell out top bucks for an all-diecast toys, well, I guess it's time for you to get to know your "hardcore SOC fans-money is not an issue" friends here in Robot-Japan forum. So welcome aboard and good to meet you, buddy! You sir are my God; I shall suckel at the tit of your knowledge. Seriously though that was a limited edition, those are allways way more money. Just ask any TF guy who has a few of those Golden Lagoon lucky draws.
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 21, 2006 23:01:02 GMT -5
hahaha!!! well, i wouldn't call it a limited edition even though it's declared as is. all it is is just a repainted version of the current line, while eveything else is the same thing. the only way they would make this a dancouga masterpiece is if it was all diecast and transformation and playability is flawless... that my friend is what they should call "limited" edition.
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Post by Lord Zarak on Jul 22, 2006 4:09:01 GMT -5
i think a honest job could be done also with more diecast and without making empty our wallets
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Post by mannyD on Jul 22, 2006 4:15:01 GMT -5
hahaha!!! well, i wouldn't call it a limited edition even though it's declared as is. all it is is just a repainted version of the current line, while eveything else is the same thing. the only way they would make this a dancouga masterpiece is if it was all diecast and transformation and playability is flawless... that my friend is what they should call "limited" edition. hey dricks, wait for the daigokin line to produce an all diecast dancouga. soc robots always have plastic in them
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Post by roanstalker on Jul 22, 2006 4:35:33 GMT -5
Thats what most limited editions are. They normally dont improve on the mold.
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 22, 2006 9:22:38 GMT -5
hahaha!!! well, i wouldn't call it a limited edition even though it's declared as is. all it is is just a repainted version of the current line, while eveything else is the same thing. the only way they would make this a dancouga masterpiece is if it was all diecast and transformation and playability is flawless... that my friend is what they should call "limited" edition. hey dricks, wait for the daigokin line to produce an all diecast dancouga. soc robots always have plastic in them are they really going to produce one? shoot.. i'll get that one then..
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Post by Chen on Jul 22, 2006 9:26:18 GMT -5
If your waiting for a Daigokin Dancouga your gonna be waiting a looooooooong time. They produce about one figure a year and they still have to do the Getters before they do something as obscure as Dancouga (relatively speaking).
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Post by komenrider on Jul 22, 2006 12:05:00 GMT -5
Wha? $475 for Dancouga?? If I have that money.. I might as well get myself a fewture, plus a max Gokin Godannar (add few more $). Man...this improvement/marketing/insatiable-fan-demand/recolour things sucks. Now if we're talking Aquarion Myth vs Assault version, it's different. Assault IS Myth, repainted, refined, plus add few gimmics. THAT I appreciate Our Dan' is a terror in the shelf. Put it alone, it takes space. Put it with the other....you only see him, others demoted into "just"a figure instead of their original glory. Die-cast heavy, (almost) perfect (complicated yet chalenging) transformation, posable, durable (survive falling from my desk..twice)..what else can you ask for? Then..few years later, the company reissue it for for a (*cough* rip off *cough*) $$$ and add nothing but an altered paint? No nononononono.... nonononoono Blame me, for I'm not a purist. *WHACK-PIFF-POW* (insert sound effect me being thrown and bullied by the purist in these forum) And, d3meo..don't laugh----THAT GUYVER comes with different head..ya heard me? different head!! It's an ADDED VALUE!!
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Post by dricks2080 on Jul 23, 2006 0:04:49 GMT -5
If your waiting for a Daigokin Dancouga your gonna be waiting a looooooooong time. They produce about one figure a year and they still have to do the Getters before they do something as obscure as Dancouga (relatively speaking). hey! when i'm old and gray... i think i'll just be in front of the computer all the time... i may even decide and pick up one of those gundam perfect gardes, coz then, i'll have all the time in the world...
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