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Post by ataru on Aug 9, 2006 8:44:41 GMT -5
dricks, it was like $5 to get into the show, and the price I mentioned above was the price from a website.
It's a fact that when it came out, the price was practically the same as the retail price of the gx-13. The difference was $10-15 max, considering the entrance fee or shipping from a website.
The original price is really quite irrelevant though, unless you were told that the original price was $150 higher when you bought it. In that case, you were deceived. Otherwise, you have noone to be angry with except yourself. There's been information available on precisely what the gx-13r is since before it was first put on sale. I kinda doubt you were forced to buy it at gunpoint.
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Post by dricks2080 on Aug 9, 2006 12:36:16 GMT -5
dricks, it was like $5 to get into the show, and the price I mentioned above was the price from a website. It's a fact that when it came out, the price was practically the same as the retail price of the gx-13. The difference was $10-15 max, considering the entrance fee or shipping from a website. The original price is really quite irrelevant though, unless you were told that the original price was $150 higher when you bought it. In that case, you were deceived. Otherwise, you have noone to be angry with except yourself. There's been information available on precisely what the gx-13r is since before it was first put on sale. I kinda doubt you were forced to buy it at gunpoint. $150 is the average... i say AVERAGE from all the retailers around the globe.. that includes ebay, Japanese retailers, American retailers, Hong kong retailers... so bro, i did do my research before i even put out this post on here. maybe you're one of the lucky ones to get into the show and got one for youself for the same price as the original... well... whoop-di-doo... can you say that same statement to those who have bought the same item for 68% more? you must realize that not all of us are as lucky as the ones who got it for a very cheap rate. if you had read the responses i had post above (other than yours), you'll see exactly my point. i shouldn't have to re-tell my complaints more than once, especially when it's typed, documented, posted and published for everyone to see... because really, so far, your argument focuses more on the initial value of the GX-13R. my argument focuses on all aspects... the price, accessories, production quantity, transformation, changes/differences between the two other than paint, etc... bottom line is, it is bandai's job to produce the EXACT replica of dancouga in the first place... if you're going to produce a "LIMITED VERSION", then do more than just repaint the damn thing... if you just lay off your fingers off of the keyboard for a second and grab both the GX-13 and the GX-13R and place them side by side... observe the difference between the items... disregarding the paint... tell me exactly what the difference is between the two! and now, go ahead and see if you can back your initial argument with your observations... then that's when you're more than welcome to respond back to me.. thank you!
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Post by ataru on Aug 9, 2006 14:23:59 GMT -5
Look, if you pay more than the original retail price, the profit is going to the secondary seller. What you're doing is like getting pissed at the box office because you paid extra for tickets from a scalper, or getting pissed at microsoft because you spent a $1000 on an xbox360 off of ebay. It's quite ridiculous.
"bottom line is, it is bandai's job to produce the EXACT replica of dancouga in the first place"
Sorry, wrong. They're out to make money, and they sell what they think will make them the most of it. It's not their job to make a perfect representation of anything or to make any individual happy.
dricks, this is incredibly simple. You unfortunately made a dumb purchase. With all the research you say you've done, you should have known exactly what the item was, and yet you went ahead and bought it. You're starting to sound like the kind of guy that buys something on ebay and then gives the guy bad feedback because you think the item was too expensive, even though they gave a dead-on accurate description of what you were getting. Stop trying to shift the blame to bandai for something that's YOUR FAULT. There's nothing wrong with having buyers remorse- we all make mistakes- but with you it has become no more than whining.
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Post by vic01 on Aug 9, 2006 18:39:37 GMT -5
Uh ohh, I liked the original colors (chrome) than the reissue, will paint it if that's the case...
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Post by mannyD on Aug 9, 2006 22:29:25 GMT -5
...bottom line is, it is bandai's job to produce the EXACT replica of dancouga in the first place" Sorry, wrong. They're out to make money, and they sell what they think will make them the most of it. It's not their job to make a perfect representation of anything or to make any individual happy. hey hey hey i think bandai is doing a great job already. soc line is the best. can you name another company making better diecast robots than bandai? in terms of articulation, design, near anime accuracy, paintjob, accessories and gimmicks? i du not think so p.s. aoshima and max factory are cool too
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Post by mannyD on Aug 9, 2006 22:37:41 GMT -5
...curse the guy who sold dricks GX-13R for $450 ;D
(j/k)
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Post by ataru on Aug 9, 2006 22:56:26 GMT -5
Hey manny, I love SOCs! I also think the designers really do try to make something that they can be proud of. I just meant to say that bandai as a company doesn't have any obligation to make them perfect. They're naturally rewarded by putting out things people like and punished by putting out things people don't want to buy.
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Post by dricks2080 on Aug 11, 2006 0:19:52 GMT -5
dricks, this is incredibly simple. You unfortunately made a dumb purchase. With all the research you say you've done, you should have known exactly what the item was, and yet you went ahead and bought it. You're starting to sound like the kind of guy that buys something on ebay and then gives the guy bad feedback because you think the item was too expensive, even though they gave a dead-on accurate description of what you were getting. Stop trying to shift the blame to bandai for something that's YOUR FAULT. There's nothing wrong with having buyers remorse- we all make mistakes- but with you it has become no more than whining. whoah there commander numb nuts!!! before you even say the word "dumb" don't you even know that i just started this whole gig just recently?... oh that's right, you didn't even bother asking... don't you even know the rating i currently have on this forum compared to yours? ... oh that's right, you didn't even bother looking on the side of your screen... have you even seen the purchases and the feedbacks i made and left on ebay? if you have, did you even see any negative feedbacks that vendors have left for me or wrote any negative feedbacks to the vendors i had made business with? did you even do the things i asked you to do before you even decided to run your fingers on your keyboard and accuse me of being "dumb"? next time bro, try to get your facts straight about me before you even say something negative about me... i never said i was an expert on these things... i even publicly admitted on this forum that i was fooled and that i was a fool for spending too much for something that i could have gotten for less... people make mistakes mr. perfect, and i'm just trying to share my experience with everybody so they can have a second opinion before making their purchase. and when i said i did my research... my research was finding out about the "average amount in difference" in terms of the price that the GX-13R had gained... i did my other research in terms of how different the orginal and the limited version was, after the fact that i had purchased the item. if you think i'm wrong, then just say it! don't patronize me with what you know and try to shove it down my throat. you have your reasons and so do i.. at least give me the benefit of a doubt and have an open mind... we can debate about this the whole day everyday... which is what i love to do anyway... but know your boundaries and don't even try and make it personal by making derogatory remarks about me by calling me dumb and a whiner... you don't know me... you don't know diddly squat about me... obviously, you're taking this hobby of ours way too seriously by making this real personal... so know your role, son!
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Post by dricks2080 on Aug 11, 2006 0:25:25 GMT -5
hey hey hey i think bandai is doing a great job already. soc line is the best. can you name another company making better diecast robots than bandai? in terms of articulation, design, near anime accuracy, paintjob, accessories and gimmicks? i du not think so p.s. aoshima and max factory are cool too i know i know... i was just saying bro... at least offer more than just repaint the darn thing, right? don't you agree? as far as aoshima and max factory goes... mechanics and transformation and design has to go to bandai, though... but they're cool too... you're right, man!
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Post by dricks2080 on Aug 11, 2006 0:26:30 GMT -5
...curse the guy who sold dricks GX-13R for $450 ;D (j/k) tell me about it... i could have save an extra $200 for the upcoming gunbuster... oh well...
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Post by mannyD on Aug 11, 2006 3:50:48 GMT -5
charge this to experience bro. tis not wise to pay for soc robots at double their srp. remember, soc always put out reissues. it's the only way they can make more money on old molds
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Post by ataru on Aug 11, 2006 9:45:18 GMT -5
Dricks, I did not call you dumb. I called your decision dumb. If you think it was such a wise decision than why have you been whining about it incessantly? If you want us to chalk it up as a learner's mistake, fine, we can do that. Like I said before, everyone makes mistakes and has buyer's remorse every once in a while. The difference is that you are letting off steam on the toy instead of realizing its your own fault for buying it at a marked up price. Take responsibility for your own choice.
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Post by dricks2080 on Aug 11, 2006 10:01:46 GMT -5
charge this to experience bro. tis not wise to pay for soc robots at double their srp. remember, soc always put out reissues. it's the only way they can make more money on old molds man... i guess... oh well... i guess that's how much i paid to be fooled...
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Post by dricks2080 on Aug 11, 2006 10:29:02 GMT -5
Dricks, I did not call you dumb. I called your decision dumb. If you think it was such a wise decision than why have you been whining about it incessantly? If you want us to chalk it up as a learner's mistake, fine, we can do that. Like I said before, everyone makes mistakes and has buyer's remorse every once in a while. The difference is that you are letting off steam on the toy instead of realizing its your own fault for buying it at a marked up price. Take responsibility for your own choice. bro, have you been reading what i had typed? i said i'm new to this toy collecting gig! at the time, of course i thought it was a wise decision to get the limited version, because i thought it offered more compared to the original version... then i found out it didn't... and when i found out they were re-issuing the gx-13, that's when i started inquiring if there were changes that were made... and i'm whining about it because i found out then that i could've saved $200 had i gotten the original instead, only if i had known i wasn't getting anything more with the limited version. and bro, paying that much for the limited version was already a responsibility that i placed on my shoulder... so don't tell me to take responsibility for my own choice because i already have! i'm just giving people what i know based on my experiences so i can give those a second opinion before buying one for themselves. so bro.. like i said, don't try and patronize me with your knowledge and try to shove it down my throat.. so far, really, all you've done is attack me simply because i was dissatisfied with i have... why don't you go to the roots and find out out for yourself WHY i'm dissatisfied about it! only if you've done what i had told you to do, then you'll know... but you didn't, bro! also, if you take a step back... actually, why don't you go ahead and ride your little bicycle a mile back so you can see the bigger picture... you seemed to be missing the point of why i'm dissatisfied about the toy... when really, all i'm doing is giving everyone my personal opinion and giving everybody else a second opinion before they decide to go out and get one for themselves.... ever heard of the catch phrase, "stupid is, stupid does"? well, you may try to cover your tracks by calling my decision "dumb".. which i agree with you... but if you read what you wrote, it sounded a whole lot as if you're calling me out... so that's what i think... and that's what i understood... along with that... you even assumed that i was the kind of buyer on ebay that leaves negative remarks... to tell you the truth, i never gave anyone negative comments.... or even better, i never received any negative comments from vendors i had done business with... if you want proof, just ask ronin777... or even better i'll send you a fax report of my progress on ebay... or look me up at dricks2080 on ebay... that's why, get your facts straight before you make any assumptions on people you know nothing about.
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Post by ataru on Aug 11, 2006 11:39:59 GMT -5
Your last few posts read like the rantings of an insane man, dricks. Are you typing stream of consciousness? Also, overuse of the ellipsis looks almost as bad as typing with caps lock on.
"why don't you go to the roots and find out out for yourself WHY i'm dissatisfied about it!"
I've read why you're dissatisfied. You are dissatisfied because you thought it would come with more since it's a limited edition, correct? That you didn't think it was just a recolor? In other words, you're dissatisfied because you had a mistaken perception of what the product is. Thus it is your fault, and your bashing of the gx-13r is unjustified. What's strange here is that you say that you're new to toy collecting but you went ahead and bought a heavily marked up version of a toy that was already very expensive even when it came out. You should look before you leap, man.
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Post by dricks2080 on Aug 11, 2006 20:38:27 GMT -5
I've read why you're dissatisfied. You are dissatisfied because you thought it would come with more since it's a limited edition, correct? That you didn't think it was just a recolor? In other words, you're dissatisfied because you had a mistaken perception of what the product is. Thus it is your fault, and your bashing of the gx-13r is unjustified. What's strange here is that you say that you're new to toy collecting but you went ahead and bought a heavily marked up version of a toy that was already very expensive even when it came out. You should look before you leap, man. mr. numb, like i said... all you're really doing is reiterating what i said and using my own words against me. how many times did i say that i made a mistake? what was all that rant about "buyer's" mistake? well, i'm new to this gig and that's how newbies like me fall for things like that... you can't expect anyone to be expert at what they do especially when this is new to them... geez dude... why don't you just do what i asked you to do and just explain to me the difference between the two items? instead of just making false accusations and assumptions of people you know nothing about... did you also do your reasearch about me on ebay? of what kind of a buyer/seller i am? i bet you didn't do that, huh? all you do is turn my words against me, without even considering the facts that i had placed in front of you.. i'm just surprised because all of a sudden, it's no longer part of our conversation... though, to me it's still is because i am just curious about how that brain of yours works... you said that it's my FAULT for buying something that i had mistaken for something else... well NO DUH?! that's what i've been saying... and you wanna know what i think is strange here? it took you that long to figure out that i've already said that... anyway, having said that, i've also explained to you in details my dissatisfaction with this product... i gave you my reasons based on my experiences and observations... and yet you still haven't done what i had asked you to do... though, what you've done so far is... welll... it's your fault this, it's your fault that... no duh.... so, Mr. No Duh, for your information i started this forum so i can share my opinions to other toy collectors and for those trying to be one... and yes sir, both negative and positive... and yes, i do say that my bashing of the GX-13R is WELL JUSTIFIED because money is involved... and my bashing of the GX-13R hopefully will encourage people like to be smart with their money... people may not afford or have the capacity of wealth that you may have, but at least with me ranting about what i went through would hopefully teach them that maybe it isn't a good idea wasting all that money for something they could've gotten less for... so instead of trying to get yourself to winning this debate (which you clearly won't) by turning my words against me, making false accusations and assumptions about me, and reiterating what i've already said, why don't you just give your own opinion about the toys i've been ranting about and give these kids a second or third opinion about what they're getting themselves into? because seriously, if you consider yourself a pro at this hobby, then instead of running your mouth with negative campaigns on me like a desparate politician, why don't you just do what i had asked you to do? it's not so hard... i just can't figure out why you refuse to do it... and while you're at it... PLEASE!!! PRETTY PLEASE, do a research on me! i've already admitted (countless times which you just finally figured out) to the fact that i made a "rookie" mistake... so far, i haven't heard you say that you're wrong about your assumptions and your accusations... because clearly, you don't have any concrete evidence... so why continue trying to get me to admit to something i've already done so? are you really that slow of a thinker? get your facts straight before you open your mouth for crying out loud! if you need help, just let me know!
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Post by 45caliber on Aug 11, 2006 20:53:31 GMT -5
guys lets just enjoy the hobby the way it has to be.. to each his own, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everybody has it's own opinion.. respect each and everyone and enjoy our toys
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Post by ataru on Aug 11, 2006 23:01:37 GMT -5
dricks, I turn your words against you because you're speaking nonsense. Noone wins debates by contradicting themselves, and you've contradicted yourself again and again in your rambling- I just pointed some of those cases out. You think it isn't fair?
As I said before, what you're doing is the same as someone blaming microsoft because they paid $1000 for an xbox360 on ebay. Do you think that is a respectable thing to do? It's fine for you to say that you personally don't like the gx13r. It's fine for you to tell people that you don't think it's worth the current market cost. To say that it is objectively bad because it isn't what you expected (having extra accessories) however, is silly. Bandai never advertised that it would have anything extra. Your assumption that limited edition = extra stuff was a bad one. Sometimes there are extras, often there aren't. Even when there are, they're usually lame trinkets like a miniature pewter figure. When people buy repaints, it tends to be either because they just want it to sell later or they actually like/prefer the new color. If you wanted to buy the gx13r for bonuses you should have made sure that it actually came with them. The gx13r is perfectly fine without them though.
As for my own opinion on them, I've given it in the past. I'll give a shortened version here since you seem to think I should. IMO they're both very nice pieces, and if the price were no object I'd say to pick the colors you prefer. If price is an issue, I would suggest choosing the gx-13, since it is much cheaper nowadays and they're mostly the same. If you just want to buy it to resell, I'd say to buy the gx-13r even now, because it will never be reissued and the gx-13 may be reissued again for all we know. Some people of course will want to have both. Other factors to consider- gx-13 looks more like the ova version, gx-13r like the tv series version. The shoulders on the SOC are like the ova version, but the general proportions are like the tv version. The tv version had no sword. GX-13's sword's chrome is likely to deteriorate- could happen on the other chrome parts too, but not as bad as with the sword IME.
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Post by ataru on Aug 11, 2006 23:14:11 GMT -5
45calibur- I respect most opinions here. People have different tastes. We have our zoid lovers, our transfans. Some people love tetsujin 28 and jumbos and tins- I don't particularly like any of them, but that's ok. I wouldn't respect an opinion that said jumbos are crap because they're expensive or that the limited gray tetsujin soc is junk because it doesn't come with guns, however.
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Post by toystarr on Aug 12, 2006 6:12:53 GMT -5
well, I can see dricks point and also his disappointment in the gx-13r. If I think about all the stuff I have overpaid when I started out collecting... or the disappointment when finally holding a certain figure in my hands and the pictures were so much different and better when I saw it first before buying. the only thing against such hard feelings is research. I do a lot of research when my eyes catch on a new figure. I want to know as much as possible about it and will compare prices up and down the internet before I press the buy button. that's what I have done with my gx-13 and I am still happy I have gotten it for 214$ plus shipping this may on ebay. still hope you can settle with this buy, drinks. the price was high but the gx-13r will hold its value as it will not be reissued. and the presence on a shelf, don't forget that, the gx will always be a sight to behold
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