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Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 31, 2010 15:25:41 GMT -5
If there will be a new Mazinkaiser OVAs (continuation), I prefer not to see Mazinger Z again! At some point success should stop to stay successful; you know what I mean? Unless they will fix it and maybe repaint it 'n give it to a grown up Shiro! ;D As a matter of fact, it always makes me nervous when I see Mazinger Z and Mazinkaiser in 1 image <schizophrenia> LOL!  |
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Post by droutmaster on Oct 31, 2010 16:17:05 GMT -5
Yeah, true. But them beasties were still no challenge for Mazinkaiser. Actually the only two battlebeasts which gave Kaiser a hard time were Hell King Gorgon (Ashura-converted), and Ankoku Dai Shogun; but even those two got da sh*t smacked outta them. Back in the OVA series, Koji was still learning how to control the Mazinkaiser. Even back Then, as clumsy as he was, none of the enemy robots stood any chance of surviving the beat-down. Mazinger-Z put up a damn good fight throughout his entire series. He had his share of dammages to his armor, but he was worth the military investment against the invading kikaijus. Great Mazinger, as cool as I thought he was, turned out to be a joke- always gettin busted up or having a limb torn off... imagine Japan goin into national debt every time Great Maz needed repairs and replacement parts! LOL! At times, Tetsuya just had no balls. I also think that if he had been affected by his origin, the same way that Koji had been affected by His origin, Tetsuya would've turned out to be a damn good passionate robot pilot. Koji's grandpa was killed by the enemy... that was a Personal affect on Koji; and having inherited the mighty weapon Mazinger-Z fromhis grandpa added more passion to Koji's mission. Mazinger-Z was like a Big-Brother Soulmate to him. Where as Tetsuya was merely assigned a robot to him for his mission... he has no bloodline in the Kabuto family. His only relation to this whole thing is that he was an orphan adopted and raised and trained by Koji's father. Mazinger-Z and Mazinkaiser stand out from the pack so significantly, because the same ballsy pilot (Koji) operated both of those robots- so it was a given that there would be some gutsy battles. This particular consistency of keeping the same pilot for two seasons of Mazinger robots was what made the Mazinger saga so special; and it hasn't been repeated again in any other robot anime since then. zozo-Magengar Mazinkaiser did fight the Mycenean Battlebeasts... if you could call it a "fight". I would use the term "slaughter" instead. This took place in the Mazinkaiser vs Ankoku Daishogun OVA. Dammage 7, thanks for the link! You rule!!! }D Dude i totally agree with you that Great Mazinger( although he is a cool machine) became more of a joke and a punching bag. heck even after Mazinger Z return in the final episodes of the Great Mazinger series MZ was more powerful than GM in term of Raw of HP, he even is equal to Grendizer in raw horse power not to mention Tetsuya becomes more of an ass after Koji and Kenzo had a father and son moment and tetsuya is all with envy and arrogant. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Oct 31, 2010 16:33:42 GMT -5
I've always seen Mazinger Z as the prototype. It can be easily tweaked to increase its power output, and its armor can be constantly upgraded as needed. That's the beauty of it all!!!
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Post by magengar on Oct 31, 2010 19:44:39 GMT -5
Yep. And with each upgrade, Mazinger became better and stronger; and Koji became more mature in terms of piloting the robot and being a true Soldier. He was Focused and Determined to put an end to the bad guys once and for all. That was his fate since his grandpa got killed, and he turned that negativity into his destiny. Mazinger-Z has so much potential to become one of the greatest robots of its time. It was a personification of Koji's natural courage, wits, and gut-feelings. And, for lacking in special mystical powers and abilities, Mazinger-Z took the "Gigantor" complex to a higher level and showed us that the best robot battles are fought with Simplicity and Passion. In a time and world where man-made giant robots clashed on the ground, in the ocean, and in the skies, Mazinger-Z straight-up put on a damn good entertaining action show that set the standard for its genre. zozo-Magengar I've always seen Mazinger Z as the prototype. It can be easily tweaked to increase its power output, and its armor can be constantly upgraded as needed. That's the beauty of it all!!! }D |
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Post by Dead-Man on Oct 31, 2010 20:18:30 GMT -5
Wasnt Mazinkaiser created by Juzou Kabuto?
in my head i always went that Juzou kabuto Created Mazinkaiser first, but it was too powerful & Hard to control "so kaiser wont smash the environment around him" so he locked Mazinkaiser Away and not to be used and created Mazinger Z instead and easier to use but still can be modified "Same as modifying a Car to get faster"
I Could be wrong though
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Oct 31, 2010 20:23:45 GMT -5
That is one of the stories. However, it sounds pretty dumb if you ask me. If Dr. Kabuto wanted to defeat the evil enemies, wouldn't an All Powerful robot be the best bet. And if Mazinkaiser was so powerful and hard to control, that hangar were Mazinkaiser was locked in must have been even more powerful and resistant than the Mazinkaiser itself, right? It just never made any sense to me...
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Post by magengar on Oct 31, 2010 20:43:51 GMT -5
I'm confused about that as well: which came first,
Mazinkaiser or Mazinger-Z?
In episode #1 of the MZ series, Juuzo clearly stated to Koji
that Mazinger-Z had never been tested since it was built.
Given the circumstances involving Juuzo's sudden fate,
if he had more time he would've trained Koji to operate
the Mazinkaiser... that then gives me the impression that
Mazinger-Z was just a training unit for Koji to become
familiar with all its controls and operating proceedures.
I'm also sure that if Koji had seen Mazinkaiser FIRST,
he probably would've rejected the calling to pilot it...
...how would You feel, at age 14 or 15, if your grandpa built
such a giant robot like Mazinkaiser and ordained You
as the pilot?
As scary as being drafted into the army to pilot an
M1 Tank but first learning it in a small simulator chamber.
Koji never imagined such a thing as a giant robot would
become a reality; that kind of technology alone is frightening
to imagine even in OUR realistic world here.
A mere human being piloting a 60 metric ton vehicle is a
scary thing.
An average sized car weights about .80 tons (less than a ton).
You get behind the wheel and floor that pedal, you're hurling
a .80 ton object down the street against the laws of gravity
and then at maximum speed... you'd better learn how to stop it
at the right moment and start it going again in moderate acceleration.
Compare that to a giant alloy-armored robot weighing 60 metric tons,
it's overwhelmingly frightening to think of manuvering it from Inside!
Mazinger-Z is much smaller than Mazinkaiser, and Koji was still
overwhelmed by its mass and weight. But he Had to "train" with
Mazinger-Z first in order to graduate to the Mazinkaiser.
All that would have been the case. But Time was against Juuzo
and ultimately he lost out such that he didn't have time to explain
everything to Koji in just one last encounter.
Now trip on this: After Juuzo died, Koji became so casual about it,
even joking about it... as though he couldn't wait to get home
from school so he could learn how to run his new "toy".
Wouldn't ya believe it!
The kid at first didn't realize how SERIOUS the matter
would become later on when his Own life, and that
of Japan's, is at stake.
This is just my personal theory.
zozo-Magengar
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Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 31, 2010 21:06:42 GMT -5
 Do I see a Great Booster?  Yes, I do. Thanx to my friend UFO for the image. |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Oct 31, 2010 23:09:32 GMT -5
Mazinger Z even is equal to Grendizer in raw horse power ;D Man, today's 1st of November not 1st of April! |
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Post by droutmaster on Oct 31, 2010 23:16:50 GMT -5
well the problem is that is 2 side story, the Mazinger Z version that we know and the Mazinkaiser's version. - In the SRW games the first time Mazinkaiser shows up he is an evolved Mazinger Z by combing the Photon Energy with the power of the Getter rays and the technology of Cybuster. Then they change the story of Mazinkaiser in been hidden in a Hangar in the photon power lab were Juzo put it there for been to powerful and uncontrollable which then he decided to create Mazinger Z not only for combat but as well to train koji until the time comes to use kaiser. then they rechange the story again as been the first mazinger created by Juzo, sort of what we get in the OVA version. - In the mangas, one is the photon power lab and the Saotome research center where combining both of there resources and technology to give birth to kaiser. Another Manga is that after koji defeated Dr. Hell baron Ashura brought him back to life as a mechanical beast, Koji goes into the Mazinger Z as a test drive because some modifications and repairs. he face Dr. hell which he was totally destroying Mazinger Z until mazinger Z activates a signal to awaken kaiser, then kaiser proceeds to assimilate Mazinger Z and they become as one. another manga version is of the 3 Juzo clones, Dr. Hell is one of the clones, the one that gave koji the Mazinger Z was as wel a clone while the real Juzo was making Mazinkaiser in a spaceship from a mysterious technology that it doesn't even belong to the mykene from my understanding. there is also that one that is somewhat close to the ovas but where kaiser gets destroy. there to many variation stories for kaiser, some are weird and confusing while others are ok. i just simply wish they do a final version of its story as its own story and not a recycle and taking roles from others. pic Do I see a Great Booster? Yes, I do. Thanx to my friend UFO for the image.dude i hope the great booster can flip his wings and hide the spikes. |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 2:14:45 GMT -5
Mazinger Z even is equal to Grendizer in raw horse power ;D Man, today's 1st of November not 1st of April!well the problem is that is 2 side story, the Mazinger Z version that we know and the Mazinkaiser's version. - In the SRW games the first time Mazinkaiser shows up he is an evolved Mazinger Z by combing the Photon Energy with the power of the Getter rays and the technology of Cybuster. Then they change the story of Mazinkaiser in been hidden in a Hangar in the photon power lab were Juzo put it there for been to powerful and uncontrollable which then he decided to create Mazinger Z not only for combat but as well to train koji until the time comes to use kaiser. then they rechange the story again as been the first mazinger created by Juzo, sort of what we get in the OVA version. - In the mangas, one is the photon power lab and the Saotome research center where combining both of there resources and technology to give birth to kaiser. Another Manga is that after koji defeated Dr. Hell baron Ashura brought him back to life as a mechanical beast, Koji goes into the Mazinger Z as a test drive because some modifications and repairs. he face Dr. hell which he was totally destroying Mazinger Z until mazinger Z activates a signal to awaken kaiser, then kaiser proceeds to assimilate Mazinger Z and they become as one. another manga version is of the 3 Juzo clones, Dr. Hell is one of the clones, the one that gave koji the Mazinger Z was as wel a clone while the real Juzo was making Mazinkaiser in a spaceship from a mysterious technology that it doesn't even belong to the mykene from my understanding. there is also that one that is somewhat close to the ovas but where kaiser gets destroy. there to many variation stories for kaiser, some are weird and confusing while others are ok. i just simply wish they do a final version of its story as its own story and not a recycle and taking roles from others. pic Do I see a Great Booster? Yes, I do. Thanx to my friend UFO for the image.dude i hope the great booster can flip his wings and hide the spikes. I couldn't read an explanation for "Mazinger Z HP is equal to Grendizer's"...So, it must be 1st of November! I say, (and if anyone doesn't agree it's okay), that there is only one Mazinger Z [1972], one Great Mazinger (forget 'bout the prototype joke) [1974] and one UFO Robo Grendizer [1975]. All of their logical origins come from the anime and all have their official stats in the Mazinger Bible and Super Robot Encyclopedia ver.2004. Mangas are NEVER an accurate source for anything! It's made for fun. One day you might see Grendizer fighting Starscream in a manga! Games? I won't even comment about games, cuz simply...they are games  So, eventually, there is one Mazinkaiser...the one from the 7 OVAs. In Mazinkaiser's world, Grendizer also does exist, but not with the same events that have ended with the Mazinger Trilogy in 1977. Which super robot is stronger: Mazinkaiser or the Grendizer that hasn't appear in Kaiser's world yet? That's what we're gonna learn if Nagai decides to let 'em meet in one work! Any "shin"-whateva (Shin Getta, Shin Mazinga, etc...) should be compared also to another "shin" i.e. Shin Great Mazinger vs Shin Steel Jeeg vs Shin Mazinger Z vs Shin Mazinkaiser vs Shin Grendizer. Yet, not considered the original super robots we know! It's like a retelling of the story with a modern concept.  As for the SRC Great Booster, let's hope so! |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 10:32:58 GMT -5
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Post by droutmaster on Nov 1, 2010 15:19:58 GMT -5
Mazinger Z even is equal to Grendizer in raw horse power ;D Man, today's 1st of November not 1st of April!dude im not even joking, Great Mazinger became the weakest in hp in the Mazinger trio, stats don't lie. This is a timeline of events when in the shows how they perform. episodes----------horsepower----(translated)マジンガーＺ- １～３２話---------- ５０万馬力------- (500,000hp) - ３２～７１話-------- ６５万馬力------- (650,000hp) - ７１～９２話-------- ９５万馬力------- (950,000hp) - G.M.L.E --------- ２００万馬力------ (2,000,000hp) グレートマジンガー- １～３４話---------- ９０万馬力------- (900,000hp) - ３５話以降--------- １３０万馬力------ (1,300,000hp) グレンダイザー- １～５５話頃-------- １８０万馬力------ (1,800,000hp) - ５５話頃以降------- ２００万馬力------ (2,000,000hp) Great Mazinger is weaker than Mazinger Z and Grendizer in terms of hp. ;D More treats from UFO... More pages will be added soon! Any translation would be appreciated. dude!!!! i so want that book. from what i heard this book only covers to episode 5 of the Mazinkaiser ovas. i hope to see more scans of it ;D ;D ;D ;D. now if only we could get the other book of the MazinkaiservsAnkouDaishugun book which the complete one then it will be even better ;D ;D ;D. |
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Post by magengar on Nov 1, 2010 18:28:54 GMT -5
DaAamn... looks like Great Mazinger doesn't seem so "great" after all. ;D
I want that book even if it were available as either an ebook or
a pdf file. "Mazinkaiser Memorial"... "Memorial" to What?!
Since when did Mazinkaiser pass away? Re-Title that b*tch, quick! ;D
The new weapons packs look badass, especially Mazinger's
Drill Missile effects... they look like the little SRC is actually shooting
someone's eye out! ;D I want 'em so bad.
Damn, I want the first SRC Mazingers with their packs, and already
this new weapons pack is coming out... Slow Down, Bandai- lemme catch up!
Now I gotta choose between upgrading my Ass-us Eee netbook,
and scoring these Maz SRCs. ;D
zozo-Magengar
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 1, 2010 19:02:42 GMT -5
Great Mazinger was not really supposed to be very strong. It was the equivalent of a fighter jet, designed more for aerodynamics and melee combat with edge weapons. It ruled in the air, did so-so in the sea, but completely sucked on land.
Mazinger Z was the equivalent of an armored tank. It was raw power combined with short and medium range weapons. Moved like a pregnant yak, but did excellent on land, okay at sea, and so-so in the air.
Mazinkaiser was also another tank, but bigger, with better armor, and deadly weapons. It could fight melee style, but looked quite clumsy at it. Sucked in the sea, sucked in the air, and did just like Mazinger Z on land.
Grendizer, was more for space combat than anything else. Couldn't fight very well on land, so-so in the sea, good in the air, but excellent in space.
droutmaster, those are some interesting stats you've got! However, I can't figure out this one: - G.M.L.E --------- ‚Q‚O‚O–œ”n—Í------ (2,000,000hp)
Can you explain it to me? Thanks!
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 19:33:26 GMT -5
;D Man, today's 1st of November not 1st of April!dude im not even joking, Great Mazinger became the weakest in hp in the Mazinger trio, stats don't lie. This is a timeline of events when in the shows how they perform. episodes----------horsepower----(translated)マジンガーＺ- １～３２話---------- ５０万馬力------- (500,000hp) - ３２～７１話-------- ６５万馬力------- (650,000hp) - ７１～９２話-------- ９５万馬力------- (950,000hp) - G.M.L.E --------- ２００万馬力------ (2,000,000hp) グレートマジンガー- １～３４話---------- ９０万馬力------- (900,000hp) - ３５話以降--------- １３０万馬力------ (1,300,000hp) グレンダイザー- １～５５話頃-------- １８０万馬力------ (1,800,000hp) - ５５話頃以降------- ２００万馬力------ (2,000,000hp) Great Mazinger is weaker than Mazinger Z and Grendizer in terms of hp. ...And dude, I didn't refer to Great Mazinger  You know exactly which line I was referring to by the April's Fool Day ;D so, as I don't wanna debate...I will consider it 1st of November Hahaha! But actually, I've never noticed before that Great Mazinger is a punching bag as much as Z! I always feel sorry for Z, cuz so many times I see his armor damaged and he's treated as a less powerful super robot while Great seems to be the day savior. |
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Post by magengar on Nov 1, 2010 19:44:45 GMT -5
Yeah, but Koji NEVER once retreated nor abandonned his robot. No matter how damaged Mazinger-Z ever got, Koji pushed it beyond limits to get the job done even if it meant risking his own life. Great Maz was once in an undersea volcano, and he undocked the Condor from Great Maz and flew outta there- leaving the robot down there. Professor Kabuto ORDERED him back to the robot. What a Wimp Tetsuya was, a volcano was Nothing compared to all the troubles Mazinger-Z had been through. Even if Tetsuya wasn't ever sure if Great Mazingter could handle lava, he should've known his own robot's threshold after all the training he recieved. Halfway through his series, Koji and Mazinger-Z returned to help Great Mazinger just when he was nearly asswhooped. I'll also add: In the OVA "Mazinger-Z vs Ankoku Dai Shogun" Mazinger-Z was almost literally destroyed by the battlebeasts. Even then, Koji still insisted on continuing his fight against the enemy even when Great Mazinger came to the rescue. That's DETERMINATION, Baby! ;D In other OVAs, Koji was more willing to team up with other robot teams; whereas Tetsuya was always too confident and too Full Of Himself-- till Prof Kabuto finally smacked the sh*t outta him to his senses ("Super-Robots vs Dragonsaurus" OVA). I'm not baggin on Great Maz nor Tetsuya... but when I look at both pilots, I'm more impressed with Koji than I am with Tetsuya. Koji had bigger balls and a gutsier robot. zozo-Magengar |
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 19:54:55 GMT -5
Grendizer, was more for space combat than anything else. Couldn't fight very well on land, so-so in the sea, good in the air, but excellent in space. }D A'a A'a -- Correction: UFO Robo Grendizer - the most powerful super robot in the Mazinger canon - is a great combat machine on ground not only in space! He can even perform martial art kicks, rolls on the ground, and do maneuvers. He also runs 'n moves faster than all the Mazin mechas on ground. Dizer also doesn't need its Drill Spazer to go inside the core of earth. He uses his screw crushers to do the job as seen in one episode (or maybe 2). Underwater, all the meches are not in their top, even Mazinkaiser as Koji mentioned suffers the same problem...but combine Dizer with its Marine Spazer, and here we go! In simple words, Grendizer is a Universal Protector: Space, Skies, Land, Underground, Undersea.  I wonder if there's a Shin UFO Robo Grendizer...what would the poor shin mecha fellows do? |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Nov 1, 2010 20:07:43 GMT -5
Nah, Grendizer sucked on land and sea. The anime clearly shows it. In space it was in its element, so it performed at its best. Mazinger Z was never a punshing bag, it just happened that the enemy robots were way more aggresive than Koji. Great Mazinger, on the other hand, always sucked. I can't recall one episode where it didn't get almost destroyed.
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Post by DUKE 77 on Nov 1, 2010 20:33:42 GMT -5
Great Mazinger became the weakest in hp in the Mazinger trio, stats don't lie. This is a timeline of events when in the shows how they perform. episodes----------horsepower----(translated)マジンガーＺ- １～３２話---------- ５０万馬力------- (500,000hp) - ３２～７１話-------- ６５万馬力------- (650,000hp) - ７１～９２話-------- ９５万馬力------- (950,000hp) - G.M.L.E --------- ２００万馬力------ (2,000,000hp) グレートマジンガー- １～３４話---------- ９０万馬力------- (900,000hp) - ３５話以降--------- １３０万馬力------ (1,300,000hp) グレンダイザー- １～５５話頃-------- １８０万馬力------ (1,800,000hp) - ５５話頃以降------- ２００万馬力------ (2,000,000hp) Great Mazinger is weaker than Mazinger Z and Grendizer in terms of hp. Um Where does this timeline come from? I know that... Mazinger Z HP = 65000 Great Mazinger = 90000 Grendizer = 2000000 I know that they have an irregularly, unused full power, but doesn't each number above tells which mecha's full power is also greater than the other? I am starting to find it weird, cuz it was Great Mazinger who saved Koji in the last episode of Mazinger Z and was able to destroy the enemies who damaged Z so easy. It was Great Mazinger who was able to stand against the Mazin Kaiser! So  |
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