The Mazinger Canon

[droutmaster]

actually i believe you people are referring to the Manga version of Mazinkaiser where there 3 Juzo Kabuto clones and that the real Juzo made kaiser using the technology from an alien race, in that one Kaiser is suppose to be 32m if i recall.

[coul567]

Oct 8, 2010 17:18:00 GMT -5 Dead-Man said:

will see new highdream metaltech Grendizer "with its new head" once its finished.. but it seems the head is bigger but yet the body is thin compared to the head.

the metaltech one is good for what its worth "Much cheaper" than the GX-04 "i don't like the elbow joint on the metaltech" should be like the SRC Mazinger Z one" which is much better .. but the GX-04 Still looks better imo and its almost 10 years old now and if any Grendizer chogokin that's gonna look better than the GX-04 is by Bandai it self, and i was excited about the whole teaser of "GX-58" that was supposed to be Grendizer only to turn out but a Rumor or fake.

still one can hope for an SRC one or a Remake SOC *fingers crossed*

Chachipowers Review of the Metaltech Grendizer

If anything is going to beat gx 04 it will be definately be SOC or SRC.

[Dead-Man]

i found this image on Google..

says "remodeling" .. got me thinking ..

[DUKE 77]

Oct 8, 2010 17:29:22 GMT -5 TheMazingerZ said:

Anyway, don't pay attention to size since Mazinkaiser still is Go Nagai's most powerful and indestructible mecha. Never damaged and never defeated!

}D

Kaiser has never been damaged by who? The Mykenes — they are much weaker than Mazinkaiser and much much weaker than the Vegan enemy! In Kabuto's world, Grendizer is the STRONGEST super robot to me! Not because I am a fan but because I read and made a fair logical comparison (I have no problem if Nagai says Kaiser is stronger one day) but till then, "DIZER, GO!"

However, like brother magengar says, there are three sides to every story "This person's side, That person's side, and the TRUTH."

Oct 8, 2010 19:57:18 GMT -5 Dead-Man said:

i found this image on Google..

says "remodeling" .. got me thinking ..

A friend of mine told me it was a prototype made by a Bandai designer but was not ever made

[droutmaster]

Oct 9, 2010 2:08:39 GMT -5 DUKE 77 said:

Kaiser has never been damaged by who? The Mykenes — they are much weaker than Mazinkaiser and much much weaker than the Vegan enemy! In Kabuto's world, Grendizer is the STRONGEST super robot to me! Not because I am a fan but because I read and made a fair logical comparison (I have no problem if Nagai says Kaiser is stronger one day) but till then, "DIZER, GO!"

in all fairness Grendizer did get an arm rip out while kaiser Physically has not, im simply just expecting GoNagai to do another kaiser movie and make Kaiser face the vega army as another contender for him. Pretty much GoNagai has recycle everyone over and over again with no new material and for me kaiser is still a recycle material which he has not gain a true story for himself like Grendizer that evolve from gattaiger and retain certain similarity of events, kinda disappointing. however, that doesn't make kaiser bad or if is weaker than grendizer, it just got portrait horrible.

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A friend of mine told me it was a prototype made by a Bandai designer but was not ever made

dude i hear ya, i wish they just start producing him already, he would look nice with the SoC. however i wouldn't mind if they update him with the new articulation the SoC or SRC are receiving. ;D

[Chen]

Awww who cares who's taller than who or who's stronger than who, these are fictional characters. If Go Nagai wanted Mazinkaiser to run on pig crap and make it pink big deal there his creations and he can either make them stronger or weaker if he wishes.

[droutmaster]

Oct 9, 2010 13:50:34 GMT -5 Chen said:

Awww who cares who's taller than who or who's stronger than who, these are fictional characters. If Go Nagai wanted Mazinkaiser to run on pig crap and make it pink big deal there his creations and he can either make them stronger or weaker if he wishes.

indeed, there fictional characters that GoNagai can manipulate at will. if he wants to make them tall and god like unbeatable he can as well make them puny and weak, is all for entertainment not discussion of how and who is superior. Heck im expecting GoNagain to give them some tutu for the next dance performance called "A Machines Soul". this is a possibility how they will look.



although i must say the tutu makes them look a bit fat.

but everyone knows who is the superior machine and the most well advance of them all... Boss Borot!


i mean look at him, he is even more superior to all of them with that hat and cape XD.

[magengar]

LOL!!!!!!! Yeah! Now THAT would be a welcome Treat! ;D

zozo-Magengar

Oct 9, 2010 14:52:41 GMT -5 droutmaster said:

Oct 9, 2010 13:50:34 GMT -5 Chen said:

Awww who cares who's taller than who or who's stronger than who, these are fictional characters. If Go Nagai wanted Mazinkaiser to run on pig crap and make it pink big deal there his creations and he can either make them stronger or weaker if he wishes.

indeed, there fictional characters that GoNagai can manipulate at will. if he wants to make them tall and god like unbeatable he can as well make them puny and weak, is all for entertainment not discussion of how and who is superior. Heck im expecting GoNagain to give them some tutu for the next dance performance called "A Machines Soul". this is a possibility how they will look.



although i must say the tutu makes them look a bit fat.

but everyone knows who is the superior machine and the most well advance of them all... Boss Borot!


i mean look at him, he is even more superior to all of them with that hat and cape XD.

[Chen]

People forget that the robots in these stories are just "props" for what the writer wants to tell. If the writer wants Mazinkaiser to be all indestructible then that's what he/she will do, what should happen and what the writer wants is two different things. It's like Superman IF written correctly he can pretty much beat anybody up in less than a second with his super speed and strength, but I've read stories where Superman get's knocked out by a car. Mazinger took a beating to make Great look good while both Maz and Great took a beating to make Mazinkaiser look good. As for the whole Grendizer vs Mazinkaiser thing, well they don't even take place in the same universe. It's like Musashi Tomoe from the Getter series, in each one he's alive and get's killed so obviously the only true continuation of Getter Robo is Getter Robo G while Mazinger, Great Mazinger, and Grendizer are actual parts of a continuity while Mazinkaiser and Shin Getter are obviously from a different continuity. Is the Mazinger from the original series the exact same as the OVA? What about the two Great's? Are they exactly as powerful? Too many variables to make a definitive answer when creators are constantly re-writing the story.

[Dead-Man]

This Movie, or Episode is Good Where it Features Grendizer, Great Mazinger and Getter Robo G Working Together to beat a Monster





and other 2 Parts where can be found on youtube

[droutmaster]

i hope they make a remake of that movie, its one of my favorites. the only thing i don't like about that movie is that Mazinger z is not in it. =(

[magengar]

Yeah, but Koji's piloting the Double Spazer- so he can't
pilot that AND Maz-Z both at once. LOL! ;D

zozo-Magengar

[Dead-Man]

Oct 9, 2010 2:08:39 GMT -5 DUKE 77 said:

A friend of mine told me it was a prototype made by a Bandai designer but was not ever made

oh i see, either way, Grendizer should get an Update soon or an SRC .. but for the time Being .. the Best Grendizer is the GX-04 But i think the Custom Job by the Member acturus is the best Grendizer "well King Grendizer" one of the Best Costume jobs i've seen so far

Just check and all the pages in that thread
robotjapan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fancustom&action=display&thread=16931

[droutmaster]

Oct 9, 2010 15:27:51 GMT -5 magengar said:

Yeah, but Koji's piloting the Double Spazer- so he can't
pilot that AND Maz-Z both at once. LOL! ;D

zozo-Magengar

No but Hikaru could have done it, she already knew Daisukes identity and by the time Koji made the Double Spazer plus she piloted as well before reciving her on Spacer, or Dr. Saotome's daughter Michiru from Getter could also have piloted the Double Spazer.

[DUKE 77]

Oct 9, 2010 13:41:26 GMT -5 droutmaster said:

Oct 9, 2010 2:08:39 GMT -5 DUKE 77 said:

Kaiser has never been damaged by who? The Mykenes — they are much weaker than Mazinkaiser and much much weaker than the Vegan enemy! In Kabuto's world, Grendizer is the STRONGEST super robot to me! Not because I am a fan but because I read and made a fair logical comparison (I have no problem if Nagai says Kaiser is stronger one day) but till then, "DIZER, GO!"

in all fairness Grendizer did get an arm rip out while kaiser Physically has not

You quoted "my reply" but not what I have "replied to" I didn't start this at first place [check 1:29am]...*

Oct 8, 2010 17:29:22 GMT -5 TheMazingerZ said:

Anyway, don't pay attention to size since Mazinkaiser still is Go Nagai's most powerful and indestructible mecha.
}D

Plus, I know what happened to Dizer's arm in one episode but again I ask by WHO? There is a huge difference between the Mykenes and the Vegans. OK? King Gori was not even a typical UFO Vega Robot.

Oct 9, 2010 13:50:34 GMT -5 Chen said:

Awww who cares who's taller than who or who's stronger than who, these are fictional characters. If Go Nagai wanted Mazinkaiser to run on pig crap and make it pink big deal there his creations and he can either make them stronger or weaker if he wishes.

I care and many other people out there care! Otherwise, such images or books as the Mazinger Bible should have not been exist! It's for fun but have to be related to realism bases for more fun and convenience to adult audiences...It's not a Tom & Jerry cartoon type after all!

It's not a war between the super robots (although some fans make it a war by hating Grendizer just for the fact it is officially the superior mecha to the Double Mazingers) but denying that each machine has its own specs or each pilot has his own skills 'n abilities, sounds like -- stubborn!

Oct 9, 2010 15:07:08 GMT -5 Chen said:

People forget that the robots in these stories are just "props" for what the writer wants to tell.

EXACTLY, so we have to accept what the writer tells, right? Well, the writer said that each mecha has its own capability! Are we done here?

*OK, so to set it clear...Grendizer is considered an icon in the Middle East and many other European countries! Also, it has its own fans in Japan.
It means I will not permit any underestimating to its power or claiming that there is a superior robot from the Mazinger canon. I will not defend Grendizer with fanatic beliefs but with numbers and facts from the anime and official sources, always. If this is gonna annoy anyone -as it's starting to annoy me to keep rounding in circles- then, it's better to stop the 'attempts' of taking the King of Space to a lower level as long as I am not going to take even Boss Borot to a lower level.
My wish to see a ratio-scaled action figures of the super robots in a realistic form (as GT Group pics) is not to make one looks cheap next to another; it's just I love the realistic twist in the sci-fi world...That's all!

[droutmaster]

Problem with your comparison is that the Mykenie empire has been defeated by Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger, even though they get damaged on the process they still defeat them, Kaiser however he doesn't get damage by any of them even when getting crush by there ship(sure Grendizer went head on against the blakies ship but let me remind you that Grendizer was shooting ,hand beam, spacer thunder and melting liquid thing against the ship making possible for him to go trough it while kaiser grab the ship, throw it in the air and just simply cut it with the Scrander Bommerang). So 2 things is going on here, the enemy got overpower and kaiser is extremely overpower and can finish them off with no problem questioning the force of Vega or the Mazingers got downgraded and the enemy as well so kaiser can finish them. As i said before, Kaiser is a recycle nothing more nothing less just like Grendizer, acting on preview stories and making it for him, so therefor if this is the case GoNagai could do a Kaiser movie against the Vega empire taking the roll of Grendizer, is the only part that is missing to complete the mazinger original trilogy story to make it into the Kaiser story.

also you need to check this link if you want to follow realistic info www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~zgd/Lecture/theory.htm.

This man for 10 years, he has been gathering information of Mazinger Z, Great Mazinger and Grendizer excluding Kaiser. If you click at the first link and go at the bottom of that page you will see data record of the specifications of each robot. there some that are interesting and other will make you go .

Someone in a forum that i go is translating the page little by little because there is way to much info. this is a part of the translated info that he gave us so far.

Discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of the Three Mazingers

There is an old opinion in the so called "power comparison of the Three Mazingers", stating that "Grendizer is the strongest, followed by Great Mazinger, while Mazinger Z is the weakest."

This is something acknowledged by people who love the Mazinger Series, as if it had been the result of any researcher's work. Even authors, as much as they regretted it, accepted this fact.

However, in TV Magazine Special Edition: Mazinger Z - The Complete Works (Kodansha), published in December 1987, while Grendizer is said to have "an output of 1.800.000 horse-power", Mazinger Z "at first has an output of 500.000 horse-power and, as of episode 32, 2.000.000 horse-power". I remember feeling a bit at ease when I saw this, since Mazinger Z was at least stronger in terms of raw power. However, in the same book, we are told that, before the final battle in Great Mazinger, Z's output was "six times greater" and that "his body had been strengthened with New Z". This gave birth to the wild idea that Mazinger Z was ultimately the strongest of all three.

However, this was a fact that gave birth to another question. No other magazine or magazine-book (Mook? Bagazine?) before this one had ever mentioned the "2.000.000 horse-power" or the "six times greater output". What we had, at most, was this mention in Go Nagai's manga version of Great Mazinger: "His body has been rebuilt with New Z, and his energy is several times greater". If he had indeed established it, why did no other book mention the speciffic amount of energy? Taking this into consideration, the more we read of Mazinger Z - The Complete Works, the more doubts arise. Many things regarding the Brain Condor were different from the other books, and information on Grendizer's builder contradicted all other previous books...

If there is indeed a definite and official ranking, why are there so many differences between all these books? I think the answer is that "We should determine it ourselves". And in order to do that, I had to go back to the roots and use that data. Since then, I've been fishing for magazines and magazine-books from that time. And now, over ten years later, after having gathered everything, I am still far from saying anything clearly. If I were to ask myself whether I do have the ability to write a proper dissertation, I would probably be lying if I said I do. However, I hope that my superficial lack of ability will be of some service to future Mazinger researchers, and as such am presenting what I've gathered in this form.

(To be continued)

As soon as he finish ill let you guys know, im really excited about it XD we gave the name of this study the Mazinthology lol. Another person that understand in Japaneses in the same forum that i go told us something unexpected

ブレストファイヤー＝４万度・鉄板１５ｍ（最高出力６万度・鉄板１９ｍ）
ブレストバーン＝４万度・鉄板１５ｍ（最高出力６万度・鉄板１９ｍ）
スベースサンダー＝６万度・鉄板１８ｍ

- If I read that right, the Breast Fire and Breast Burn, when at max power, generates the same amount of damaging firepower as the Space Thunder.-

There so much i want to read on that link and yet when i try to translated on a site it only translate half of it. Perhaps you are not gonna take this as something important or anyone else, but I take my hat off for this guy for gathering so much info of the 3 originals. he truly is a fan. im a fan of all 3 classics specially to Mazinger Z but sometimes when people starts debating about who is powerful or not makes me feel disgusted, so they way i see it neither of the 2 is stronger, kaiser has incomplete info, Grendizer never met kaiser and vise-versa. But who cares who is stronger right? all that matter is that they entertain us, but i wish kaiser had his own story and not recycling others. -_-

[DUKE 77]

Oct 9, 2010 15:29:31 GMT -5 Dead-Man said:

Oct 9, 2010 2:08:39 GMT -5 DUKE 77 said:

A friend of mine told me it was a prototype made by a Bandai designer but was not ever made

oh i see, either way, Grendizer should get an Update soon or an SRC .. but for the time Being .. the Best Grendizer is the GX-04 But i think the Custom Job by the Member acturus is the best Grendizer "well King Grendizer" one of the Best Costume jobs i've seen so far

Just check and all the pages in that thread
robotjapan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fancustom&action=display&thread=16931

Yes, you are right...that UFO King Grendizer design is great! I know the Italian artist who made the famous trailer, his name is Luca.

Anyway, another person (the owner of www.youtube.com/OptimusPrimeSG channel) also beleives there will be a SRC Dizer...I only wish they make Spazer with it.

[droutmaster]

i really hope they do a Grendizer SRC, he would look so nice specially with the articulation department. =D

[TheMazingerZ]

Dammage7/Wasim, you are not going to allow what?... the fact that Mazinkaiser has never been damaged and never been beaten? Ha, ha! You dare say the Vegetarian army is stronger than the Mikene? Now you also know this for a fact because Go Nagai told you? Dude...! This thread is awesome! I impatiatly wait every moment of the day for update on it! Wow!

Now is time to... Get over it!

Yes, these are exactly like Tom & Jerry cartoons. How old are you??? It is so much fun to read your comebacks! Is like teasing a 4 year old kid. Great entertainment!

Now seriously, come on dude, it is just cartoons! These things are never EVER going to be real. The closest thing will be the action figures we all have...

}D

[droutmaster]

Oct 9, 2010 19:45:46 GMT -5 TheMazingerZ said:

Dammage7/Wasim, you are not going to allow what?... the fact that Mazinkaiser has never been damaged and never been beaten? Ha, ha! You dare say the Vegetarian army is stronger than the Mikene? Now you also know this for a fact because Go Nagai told you? Dude...! This thread is awesome! I impatiatly wait every moment of the day for update on it! Wow!

Now is time to... Get over it!

Yes, these are exactly like Tom & Jerry cartoons. How old are you??? It is so much fun to read your comebacks! Is like teasing a 4 year old kid. Great entertainment!

Now seriously, come on dude, it is just cartoons! These things are never EVER going to be real. The closest thing will be the action figures we all have...

}D

Dude this is unnecessary and uncalled for, chill. Look everyone knows that Grendizer is strong because he fought the Vega army and has power and such which rival any Vega monster, but also Mazinkaiser is strong by defeating Dr. Hell and the Mykene empire which is 2 set of army in contrast to Grendizer so thats a a feat that no one can deny, but the problem is that Kaiser didn't have its own story but a retail in a sense and thats what i don't like. now this 2 machine, fictional in the entire sense of the world, there but from 2 different universe that we are trying to compare which is totally crazy to impossible not to mention some unexpected changes like there size because of GoNagai miscalculation (MZ 18m, GM 20.5m, MK 23), great mazinger got altered pretty bad so this gives me the conclusion if ever GoNagia does a remake of Grendizer then there gonna be unexpected changes for him as well or if he ever does another Mazinkaiser movie or ova episodes then there is no doubt that he could use the Vega army as kaiser next challenge, it all depends what GoNagai does at the end of everything really.