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Post by bocasas on Jun 7, 2018 21:35:38 GMT -5
In some Facebook groups, people have compared the official photos between the old version and the renewal version. But if you really want to know, you have to wait for the actual releases. Honestly, they should be the same. I have bought both Myth Cloth and Myth Cloth EX. I personally think the articulation is much, much better in EX. I actually want to stop buying Myth Cloth. So I am not buying these 5 renewal figures. However, some other figures may only be released in Myth Cloth...so I cannot stop. Yes that's the only way but Face sculpt is different for sure...my other assumption was based on the re release of the EX gold saints |
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Post by k1r4yamato on Jun 8, 2018 2:46:05 GMT -5
Yay.. This thread come alive again! Beside collecting robots, Saint Cloth Myth (EX) is the main line I followed for so long.
Yes, its true, Saint Seiya series consists of many characters, and their figure is expensive, so I understand if this line is
less attractive than other series, like SHF or Tokusatsu.
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 10:34:52 GMT -5
I just totally missed Japan pre-order for the Heaven Chapter version of Seiya! I really hope Bluefin will bring it to the US for the US sellers.
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Post by bocasas on Jun 8, 2018 10:49:32 GMT -5
That figure looks great... even I was tempted to get it (and I don't collect myth cloth). The four 15th anniversary figures will get very expensive in the after market.
Also, I'm very excited about kraaken Isaac prototype.
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Post by GetterBoi on Jun 8, 2018 10:52:09 GMT -5
I just totally missed Japan pre-order for the Heaven Chapter version of Seiya! I really hope Bluefin will bring it to the US for the US sellers. Bluefin will carry in US. Don't lose hope. |
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Post by GetterBoi on Jun 8, 2018 10:53:02 GMT -5
Are the EX larger than the Cloth Myth line?
I was very confused why there are 2 Seiya lines.
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 10:54:27 GMT -5
That figure looks great... even I was tempted to get it (and I don't collect myth cloth). The four 15th anniversary figures will get very expensive in the after market. Also, I'm very excited about kraaken Isaac prototype. I have sold my Myth Cloth Poseidon because I am waiting for the delivery of the EX version. I am also going to sell the Myth Cloth of the other two Gods as long as their EX versions are announced, whenever that is. I have no interest in the anniversary figures. |
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 11:34:46 GMT -5
Are the EX larger than the Myth Cloth line? I was very confused why there are 2 Seiya lines. You are not the only one who is confused right now. I think there are a lot of changes to Bandai's strategy as a response to the sales. 1) Bandai's initial plan was to remake the main figures from Myth Cloth into EX. This was going well for the Gold Saints, which all looked pretty bad (in my opinion) in the Myth Cloth versions. Meanwhile, Bandai kept the Myth Cloth line alive for the secondary (previously unreleased) figures, like the Silver Saints and the weaker Surplices in the P-bandai shop. This made sense since they were going to be less popular anyway. So far so good. 2) But the sales for Sea Dragon and Gold Saint Surplices started to dip, probably because their Myth Cloth versions already look decent. As a response, Bandai started to put some of the remade EX's in the P-bandai shop. 3) For general releases, Bandai gave us the Soul of Gold God Cloth for the Gold Saints in the EX. My general sense is that the sales for the initial few figures were not that good. Again, as a response Bandai cut the supply for the later figures. I came to these conclusions based on the aftermarket prices that I see. I pre-ordered all of them. 4) Another set of general releases are the misguided DD line. That line bombed badly, needless to say. 5) At this point, I think Bandai is really confused and trying to figure out what to do for the general releases. I am not shocked by the re-coloring of the Gods Myth Cloth. But it is a bit shocked that they are general releases. I am also very shocked seeing the Heaven Chapter Saint in a Myth Cloth. But it is just super ironic since EX Poseidon is out this month. This irony really tells me Bandai has no idea what to do for the general releases. 6) The EX Poseidon is the last general release EX figure on schedule. It is quite sad, if you think about it. Yes, there are 2 EXs (Aiacos Garuda and probably Kraken Isaac) and on their way, but they are all p-bandai webshop items. |
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Post by GetterBoi on Jun 8, 2018 11:45:52 GMT -5
Thanks for that explanation, sonicking.
Maybe the 2 divergent lines have hurt Bandai in sales because of the confusion. For a new Cloth Myth collector it seems intimidating to even look at the number of releases and re-releases.
The Revival re-release seemed like a good place to start, that's why I'm dipping my toes in.
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 11:53:35 GMT -5
Thanks for that explanation, sonicking. Maybe the 2 divergent lines have hurt Bandai in sales because of the confusion. For a new Cloth Myth collector it seems intimidating to even look at the number of releases and re-releases. The Revival re-release seemed like a good place to start, that's why I'm dipping my toes in. You are welcome. By the way, these are just my own speculations for a coherent strategy based on the release pattern and aftermarket prices. Maybe Bandai is just run by some idiots like Trump. Look at this website: tamashii.jp/item_brand/saintclothmyth_series/1/?number=20&character=It is almost impossible to complete either Myth Cloth or EX line if you are starting now. So choose wisely. Also, Bandai does not care about you completing your collections. I don't buy DD line at all. But because it bombed so badly, one of the main 5 bronze saints there is probably not getting a release. |
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Post by GetterBoi on Jun 8, 2018 12:39:46 GMT -5
I've seen PO for DD Panoramation and initially had no idea what it was. I thought they were diorama displays for your Cloth Myth line, until I later realized they were 4" figures without removable armor AND dioramas. There was definitely a disconnect, as Cloth Myth collectors were unlikely to jump to a plastic mini figure line, but the lower prices seemed like Bandai were trying to draw a new demographic.
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 12:49:36 GMT -5
To me, the biggest missed opportunity is those movie-figures. Yes, they look pretty stupid. But I love the engineering and die-cast, and I am perfectly fine with the armor not coming off. I would have liked Bandai to use that engineering to make Soul of Gold or something from the original series.
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Post by bocasas on Jun 8, 2018 13:41:08 GMT -5
DD panoramation line is dead. Collectors never got into it (they didn't finish the gold saint).
If you are going to start collecting you should go with the EX line. They are releasing gold saints again and most of the other characters are not that overpriced at second market (except may be for the souls of gold line but they are not in the official canon, or the last two Hades judges). Besides they are much more articulated. Go for the myth cloth line only if you want almost every character in the show and you are willing to pay very high prices for some of them. If you are not in a hurry I think they'll end up releasing almost every important characters as EX (the asgard God warriors, the poseidon general and the gods).
I've been a fan of saint seiya since I was a kid (I own almost every manga about it). Sorry if I the names I use sound weird but I'm used to the ranks and names of the warriors in spanish.
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 13:54:44 GMT -5
DD panoramation line is dead. Collectors never got into it (they didn't finish the gold saint). If you are going to start collecting you should go with the EX line. They are releasing gold saints again and most of the other characters are not that overpriced at second market (except may be for the souls of gold line but they are not in the official canon, or the last two Hades judges). Besides they are much more articulated. Go for the myth cloth line only if you want almost every character in the show and you are willing to pay very high prices for some of them. If you are not in a hurry I think they'll end up releasing almost every important characters as EX (the asgard God warriors, the poseidon general and the gods). I've been a fan of saint seiya since I was a kid (I own almost every manga about it). Sorry if I the names I use sound weird but I'm used to the ranks and names of the warriors in spanish. I agree that going with the EX line is a good choice. Bandai re-issued some of the previously overpriced EX figures, so the whole line in general is affordable. But I am 99% sure that they will not release all the important characters as EX. Again, Bandai does not have the obligation to release all the figures in a line. I really don't believe all the Sea Generals will have an EX version when all said and done. I believe Alpha Dubhe Siegfried EX will be out soon as a general release, especially if Poseidon EX does well. But I don't believe the rest of the God Warriors will get an EX. |
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Post by bocasas on Jun 8, 2018 14:33:28 GMT -5
DD panoramation line is dead. Collectors never got into it (they didn't finish the gold saint). If you are going to start collecting you should go with the EX line. They are releasing gold saints again and most of the other characters are not that overpriced at second market (except may be for the souls of gold line but they are not in the official canon, or the last two Hades judges). Besides they are much more articulated. Go for the myth cloth line only if you want almost every character in the show and you are willing to pay very high prices for some of them. If you are not in a hurry I think they'll end up releasing almost every important characters as EX (the asgard God warriors, the poseidon general and the gods). I've been a fan of saint seiya since I was a kid (I own almost every manga about it). Sorry if I the names I use sound weird but I'm used to the ranks and names of the warriors in spanish. I agree that going with the EX line is a good choice. Bandai re-issued some of the previously overpriced EX figures, so the whole line in general is affordable. But I am 99% sure that they will not release all the important characters as EX. Again, Bandai does not have the obligation to release all the figures in a line. I really don't believe all the Sea Generals will have an EX version when all said and done. I believe Alpha Dubhe Siegfried EX will be out soon as a general release, especially if Poseidon EX does well. But I don't believe the rest of the God Warriors will get an EX. I think they'll keep releasing them slowly as tamashii web exclusives (as they did with the last two Hades judges, even when radamanthis did not sell well). Most of those releases sold out pretty fast. The problem with that is that you have to get them at release or risk at the high after market prices... |
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 14:57:46 GMT -5
If anyone sees the pre-order for the Heaven Seiya from the US sellers, please post here.
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Post by mpchi on Jun 8, 2018 15:20:55 GMT -5
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 16:46:53 GMT -5
I just saw the ad for Athena Anniversary version on Bluefin's Facebook page. This probably means all the newly announced Myth Cloth figures are coming to the US. YAY~
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Post by GetterBoi on Jun 8, 2018 16:50:27 GMT -5
I just saw the ad for Athena Anniversary version on Bluefin's Facebook page. This probably means all the newly announced Myth Cloth figures are coming to the US. YAY~ Link for the curious |
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Post by sonicking on Jun 8, 2018 17:12:29 GMT -5
Damn! The Bluefin MSRP is robbery, $130USD+tax, even though Bandai's MSRP in Japan is just 12960yen (with 8% tax).
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