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Post by magengar on Jul 23, 2012 21:51:41 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, Mazinkaiser SKL kinda
gave me that "mecha" vibe, the way it looks...... that robot, along with
all the other robots in that 3-part mini-series were
operated more like battle-vehicles than as "robots". lol
zozo-mag
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Post by B- on Jul 24, 2012 5:34:16 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, Mazinkaiser SKL kinda gave me that "mecha" vibe, the way it looks...... that robot, along with all the other robots in that 3-part mini-series were operated more like battle-vehicles than as "robots". lol zozo-mag Still Mazinkaiser SKL was a very cool series. |
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 24, 2012 12:33:23 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, Mazinkaiser SKL kinda gave me that "mecha" vibe, the way it looks...... that robot, along with all the other robots in that 3-part mini-series were operated more like battle-vehicles than as "robots". lol zozo-mag Still Mazinkaiser SKL was a very cool series. I agree. I loved it. |
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Post by plasmawing on Jul 24, 2012 15:42:58 GMT -5
So I'm just curious... For you guys that feel a strong kinship for the meaning of "super robot", what exactly are the defining differences for you? Example: Size? Does it have to be gattai, or can mecha be a super robot? Time period? Unknown power source? Can something that transforms be a super robot?... For me its robots who had animes and were the heroes of said animes which aired between 1972-1984.There are a few exceptions after 1984,but VERY few for me anyhow.Mazinkaiser would be among those,as well as Shin Getter Robo etc.Anything after that is pure fanservice to the realSuperobots{Gekiganger},or all share the "modern look"which is a composite of gundam and grey sheet metal scrap,put together in a haphazard way.lol The original Superrobots were beautiful.Ill compare it to automobiles,the 70s cars were very cool,and the the guys who created them were artists,the cars of today are ugly style-less cars whos looks play second fiddle to how "green" the car is .70s design and early 80s design in everything revolved around looks,bright colors etc.Today all cars are grey and bland,thats why people go bananas over retro muscle cars.I think the culture of today and the era plays a big part in robot design The demographic and culture of the time had some reflection on those robots{bright colors,funky design of the 70s,and the early re-electronic craze of the early 80s. Ok Ive ranted,but that is what Super Robots are to me.Bright colors,slick classic UNIQUE design and of a bygone era.Tell me one Super Robot today that comes close to being a Mazinger of our era,NONE,most if not all are quickly forgotten{GaoGaiger anyone?}.BUT that doesnt mean some cant be created now,but they would have to share the same qualities as the classics and their animes.Cool pilots with flashy uniforms,funky bright colored old school design,a host of wild weapons with even wilder names,and a gaggle of 3 faced alien villains to harras them. My opinion as crazy as it may sound on what a Super Robot should be. I'm not sure why you chose 1984 as a cutoff date, but as someone born after the apparent era of "true" super robots, I'll play the role of the "new blood" to your "old guard". First off, on the definition of "super robot" and "real robot": the terms originated from the Super Robot Wars fandom to describe two different trends in mecha anime and the difference in their gameplay styles. Super robot anime portrayed super robot as superheroes, like Kaeruze posted earlier, and tended to have plots based around fighting invading evil empires and their monsters of the week. Real robot anime portrayed robots as military hardware, and they generally had plots revolving around wars and military operations. However, rather then trying to categorize everything as "super" or "real", I feel like it's more of a sliding scale, with the above descriptions matching the two endpoints. In particular, modern mecha anime tend to use elements from both ends of the scale, and most probably fall somewhere in between. I don't really feel like it's necessary to try to give everything a definitive classification. As for your comments on modern versus classic mecha design, first, I'll start with some pictures, as links, so as not to clog up this thread: imgur.com/OID6Cimgur.com/RCgOFimgur.com/QGNrrimgur.com/BgFGLFour different mecha from four anime series, all within the last two years (the Takemikazuchi's design is older, but an anime started airing recently). As you can see, bright colors have hardly fallen out of style in mecha design. You'll also notice that they're all quite distinct from one another. There is no single "modern" style of mecha design that encompasses everything you hate about modern mecha. There's little point in debating about aesthetics. Mostly it comes down to when you were born and what you grew up with. I will say this though: I find most super robot designs from the 70s and 80s to be bland and dull, and all rather similar looking. I imagine many younger mecha fans share my sentiments, as well. You'll notice that of the 10 robots most requested by fans for the SRC line in the first post, only one of them, Grendizer, is from your supposed era of "true" super robots. As for your challenge to find a modern super robot that's comparable to Mazinger, how about Eva Unit 01? It's one of the most popular and iconic mecha design of all time. In fact, going by the amount of merchandise that's produced of it, I'd say it's more popular than Mazinger Z among average anime fans. The inclusion of Armored Core mecha in the Super Robot Chogokin line surprises me, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. If the name of the line is that much of an issue, parse it as "Super" Robot Chogokin instead of "Super Robot" Chogokin, with "Super" serving as a descriptor for "Robot Chogokin". Of course you're free to dislike Bnadai's choices, but at no point did they say this line would be dedicated to older super robots. I figure this line is meant to appeal to younger mecha fans who can't or don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a single toy by offering relatively cheap toys of newer robots. In fact, if you examine both their recent releases and the most requested robots, it's clear that this line is catering to and should cater to fans of modern robots. TL;DR version: Younger people like modern mecha designs, and the SRC line is probably for them. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 24, 2012 16:01:53 GMT -5
Nice post plasmawing. Yes, the SRC line is moving towards the younger folks, and that is fine. CM's is taking up the slack and giving us old-folks awesome figures of our heroes of olde. ;D However, let's not forget that it was the oldest of all piloted robots, Mazinger Z, the one that started the SRC line - as well as the SOC, and now the DX SOC. As far as EVA-01, it may be very popular, but it lags WAYYYYYY behind Mazinger Z, Grendizer, and even Gundam(s). I'm talking world-wide here, not just U.S. or Japan.  But anyway, I'm 100% on-board with your analogy regarding the definition of a Super Robot and a Real Robot. It is basically the same what I've always said. ;D }D |
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 25, 2012 0:28:21 GMT -5
Nice post plasmawing. Yes, the SRC line is moving towards the younger folks, and that is fine. CM's is taking up the slack and giving us old-folks awesome figures of our heroes of olde. ;D However, let's not forget that it was the oldest of all piloted robots, Mazinger Z, the one that started the SRC line - as well as the SOC, and now the DX SOC. As far as EVA-01, it may be very popular, but it lags WAYYYYYY behind Mazinger Z, Grendizer, and even Gundam(s). I'm talking world-wide here, not just U.S. or Japan. But anyway, I'm 100% on-board with your analogy regarding the definition of a Super Robot and a Real Robot. It is basically the same what I've always said. ;D }D Not sure I totally agree. But I cannot totally disagree either. I am not young but I like a few of the newer Super Robot designs. I love Gurren Lagann and it has easy become one of my favorite animes of all time. Same with Big O. Those are 2 modern Super Robot shows and I freaking love them. There are some classic style Super Robots designs that I am just meh about. Some, I am a freak about. Oh and for some of us older guys it was that SRC Mazinger Z that was a gateway robot into the world of gokins. |
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Post by plasmawing on Jul 25, 2012 14:29:43 GMT -5
Nice post plasmawing. Yes, the SRC line is moving towards the younger folks, and that is fine. CM's is taking up the slack and giving us old-folks awesome figures of our heroes of olde. ;D However, let's not forget that it was the oldest of all piloted robots, Mazinger Z, the one that started the SRC line - as well as the SOC, and now the DX SOC. As far as EVA-01, it may be very popular, but it lags WAYYYYYY behind Mazinger Z, Grendizer, and even Gundam(s). I'm talking world-wide here, not just U.S. or Japan. But anyway, I'm 100% on-board with your analogy regarding the definition of a Super Robot and a Real Robot. It is basically the same what I've always said. ;D }D It's not really surprising that they'd start the SRC line with Mazinger Z. After all, that's where the word "Chogokin" comes from, and it's obviously a very popular robot. But I'd argue that Eva 1's popularity is at least on par with Mazinger Z's. Granted, I'm not too familiar with Europe and South America, and I've heard Go Nagai's stuff is wildly popular in those continents. But aside from Mazinger and Gundam, Evangelion has probably the most popular mecha designs in the world, and those three series, and probably Macross, are well beyond everything else. As for the future releases of this line, I get the feeling that a lot of the prototypes we've seen will never be released. Dygenguar and Aussenseiter already have their larger SOC cousin, and I can't imagine there's a lot of demand for the smaller GaoGaiGar robots. I'd prefer if they released the SRX team as a larger, combining SOC than as individual, non-combining SRCs though. |
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 25, 2012 14:53:48 GMT -5
Hey PlasmaWing.
I am pretty sure the Dygenguar and Aussenseiter we saw that were "SRC" when the line was released were actually the SOC ones so I am not expecting them.
I actually hope they do some more obscure mecha. Dangioh would be awesome as would be Escaflowne.
I personally do not see the appeal of Evangelion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 18:28:56 GMT -5
Besides the Evas are not considered mechanical robots since they are giant biological humanoids.  Still enjoyed the Evangelion series. |
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 27, 2012 0:06:59 GMT -5
Well since we are chatting about future releases I thought I would throw out everything I would love to see get the SRC treatment. I am not sure we will see much through SOC and I see SRC DaiZyuZin as sort of a release that might catch a lot of fans into collecting. We will see though.
I am only going for ones that HAVE NOT had the SOC treatment (except one).
Sun Vulcan
Dangaioh
Escaflowne
Gurren Lagann (instant money for Bandai and there are several robots they could do).
Big O + Big Duo + Big Fau = SALES
Gravion
RahXephon
Knight of Gold
I could keep going. But that is enough for now.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jul 27, 2012 0:45:18 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Rahxephon would look awesome next to the Raideens! ;D Who is Knight of Gold? Never heard of it...  }D |
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 27, 2012 11:16:50 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Rahxephon would look awesome next to the Raideens! ;D Who is Knight of Gold? Never heard of it... }D Knight of Gold is one of the Mortarr Heads from Five Star Stories. Some amazing designs on that one. |
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Post by quinjester on Jul 27, 2012 13:58:44 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Rahxephon would look awesome next to the Raideens! ;D Who is Knight of Gold? Never heard of it... }D Knight of Gold is one of the Mortarr Heads from Five Star Stories. Some amazing designs on that one.  If only, right? Wave teased a line of Mortar Headd figures more than two years ago. That quietly died, killing what few hopes and dreams I had for some High-end non-model versions of FSS kits for a while. EDIT: Here's the page Wave put together for the FSS line: www.hobby-wave.com/FSS_NSP/index.htmlNo updates since September 2010.  |
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 27, 2012 15:01:38 GMT -5
quinjester we can all continue to dream the impossible dream. Sigh.
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Post by magengar on Jul 29, 2012 21:38:23 GMT -5
Those mechs from the 5-Star show look really cool.
I've never watched that series, but I've seen pics of it
around on the net, and I can only recognize them as
scaled model kits of sorts.
It would be nice to see them in any of Bandai's
die-cast pose-able action figure lines, either as SOCs
and/or as SRCs.
zozo-mag
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 29, 2012 21:57:20 GMT -5
Those mechs from the 5-Star show look really cool. I've never watched that series, but I've seen pics of it around on the net, and I can only recognize them as scaled model kits of sorts. It would be nice to see them in any of Bandai's die-cast pose-able action figure lines, either as SOCs and/or as SRCs. zozo-mag Well, there was only the movie really. It was short. It is more famous for the long running Manga. The designs are pretty amazing. I have often pondered why we do not see full on treaments of them. Licensing? Too difficult? Not sure |
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Post by quinjester on Jul 30, 2012 11:14:22 GMT -5
Licensing? Too difficult? Licensing, because Mamoru Nagano is famously tight fisted with who he lets make his designs. It's not a matter of whether it's possible or not, he just doesn't let people make anything other than model kits, and even then it's only a very few select companies. A long time ago there were toys made of the FSS designs - a knight of gold, LED mirage and Empress flame, I believe. Nagano hated the toys so much (just like he hated the movie so much), he essentially said he would never allow another company to make his designs in toy form again. Some of his stuff he doesn't own the rights to, like L-gaim, which is a property of Bandai, so those continue to be as good as we'll get on that front until Nagano takes his blinders off and realizes that toy design has progressed in the years since the first toys were made and it would be possible for companies to actually do justice to his work. |
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 30, 2012 23:10:28 GMT -5
quinjester yeah. I was wondering that. Didn't he leave L-Gaim to do FFS because he was upset with the direction it was going? His designs for FFS are amazing. I wish he would realize that a beautiful articulated statue(what I call the toys) COULD be made
BTW. Anyone else bummed that no announcements of SRC at Wonder Con? I was hoping we would find out they were rolling out a SRC Gurren Lagann to compete with the Riobot that was just released
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Post by quinjester on Jul 31, 2012 13:06:53 GMT -5
I don't believe Bandai ever has much of a presence at Wonderfestival. They have their own shows for that stuff.
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Post by actionawesome on Jul 31, 2012 23:00:53 GMT -5
Thanks quinjester. I am new to the game so I was not aware of that.
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