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Post by Coldbreakar on Jan 30, 2014 21:07:25 GMT -5
That's a nice picture. Which Manga is that from? I don't remember seeing that one in my Mazinkaiser manga. But yeah, Great Mazinker is definitely hovering there. Otherwise its legs would be deformed-silly long. As far as the final episode, it is clear that both are standing next to each other, and Koji is still looking down on Great Mazinger from Mazinkaiser's cockpit. Like I mentioned above, the Mexat.com forum information you got is nothing official. It is plain and simple personal opinions about the picture you posted. In no official OVA, Manga, Anime, or SRW game universe is Great Mazinger taller than Mazinkaiser. And is just common sense that the newest Super Robot Hero will be bigger and more powerful than the previous one. I think someone in Mexat.com was just a fanatic Great Mazinger fan, and just could not accept the fact that there was a new Mazin Hero in town.  }D Thank you TMZ  . Just now i found the manga of those two on youtube " i'm not the owner of the videos " for some reason i don't know the videos of the manga started from "Take two to Take five" i tried to find Take one but no luke for me  . Take Two Take Three Take Four Take Five |
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Post by droutmaster on Jan 30, 2014 21:16:20 GMT -5
Yeah. I never understood why they draw Mazinkaiser so large in the Ankoku Daishogun OVA. Weird! Speaking of sizes, check out the trees and light poles in the picture where Great Mazinger is holding Mazinkaiser's Fire Blaster plate. I know that a light pole is about 20 feet tall (6.15 meters tall). Now, check out the robots right next to the light poles. The robots should be about 100 to 120 feet tall (about 31 to 37 meters tall)!!! And that is why official sizes pretty much suck. It is always best to judge by what you see with your eyes...  }D is not a good idea to judge with your eyes in an animation that is always changing from style to scale in every scene. a big example would be as you shown ProtoGM with Mazinkaiser almost pretty much both of them are the same size however except ProtoGM been just a tad short which mean Mazinger Z should almost be the same size as ProtoGM since some of the scene Mazinger Z looks almost the same to ProtoGM size but just a bit short. Now the big problem is that when Mazinkaiser enters into the picture he completely over-towers Mazinger Z by an immense size so by this aspect it should also tower over ProtoGM but that is not the case. This also really noticible when Mazinkaiser picks up ProtoGM, he looks way taller than what we have seen. as for Kaiser looking bigger in the movie MvsA after getting upgraded is not a strange thing, it happend to mazinger Z and Boss Borot as well in the Great Mazinger saga by Toie. both of them are 20m instead of been 18m and 12m respectively. |
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Post by Coldbreakar on Jan 30, 2014 21:59:55 GMT -5
Actually, in that picture Great Mazinger is standing way in front of Mazinkaiser. Now seriously, are you really going to stand by your statement that Great Mazinger is taller than Mazinkaiser? Do you really believe that, or are you just having fun? Seriously, no joke, are you? }| I was about to say the same thing on that picture too , yes Great is standing in front of Kiser. Even as I write this now telling to myself to Drop the whole thing and Believe what you Believe in your Heart. Yes, I Do Believe That Great Mazinger in the Final Episode of Mazinkaiser is the 25 M, if you Believe its shorter than Mazinkaiser no problem at all I respect of what you Believe. |
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Post by gapudo on Jan 30, 2014 22:01:05 GMT -5
Do you guys know how to create that kind of image in which there are all the super robots with the meter scale on the left? I would like to create one of those based on the real heights we see in the anime. How can I do that?
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Post by mazingetter on Jan 30, 2014 22:27:06 GMT -5
Size/height inconsistency is common in animation and comics. Take a look at Marvel's Wolverine. Officially (word of god, handbooks, comic dialogue, etc.), he is 5'3" in the mainstream continuity yet he is drawn by some artists as being taller than he actually is.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jan 30, 2014 22:31:01 GMT -5
Give us GAOFIGHGAR!!!  }D |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jan 30, 2014 22:51:06 GMT -5
Yeah. I never understood why they draw Mazinkaiser so large in the Ankoku Daishogun OVA. Weird! Speaking of sizes, check out the trees and light poles in the picture where Great Mazinger is holding Mazinkaiser's Fire Blaster plate. I know that a light pole is about 20 feet tall (6.15 meters tall). Now, check out the robots right next to the light poles. The robots should be about 100 to 120 feet tall (about 31 to 37 meters tall)!!! And that is why official sizes pretty much suck. It is always best to judge by what you see with your eyes... }D is not a good idea to judge with your eyes in an animation that is always changing from style to scale in every scene. a big example would be as you shown ProtoGM with Mazinkaiser almost pretty much both of them are the same size however except ProtoGM been just a tad short which mean Mazinger Z should almost be the same size as ProtoGM since some of the scene Mazinger Z looks almost the same to ProtoGM size but just a bit short. Now the big problem is that when Mazinkaiser enters into the picture he completely over-towers Mazinger Z by an immense size so by this aspect it should also tower over ProtoGM but that is not the case. This also really noticible when Mazinkaiser picks up ProtoGM, he looks way taller than what we have seen. as for Kaiser looking bigger in the movie MvsA after getting upgraded is not a strange thing, it happend to mazinger Z and Boss Borot as well in the Great Mazinger saga by Toie. both of them are 20m instead of been 18m and 12m respectively. Oh, but OVAs and Anime are the original source for a lot of these character, other than mangas. The majority of us did not see these super robots in a manga the first time we were introduced to them. So, even as inconsistent as the artist made the drawings, the OVAs and Animes are way more accurate than any of the other "official info" found anywhere else. Also, I really don't think Mazinkaiser towers Mazinger by an immense size:   It is quite unfortunate that Super Robots artists did not stick to scales as Real Robot artists. It would have been awesome be able to actually watch a Super Robot anime or OVA where the sizes and scales were adhered to - like most, if not all, of the Gundam shows.  }D |
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Post by gravewolf on Jan 30, 2014 23:13:02 GMT -5
@ gravewolf No sir Great Mazinger was standing next to Mazinkaiser on the ground inside a Graveyard of Mechanical Beasts .  As TMZ has also stated Great Mazinger is standing in a little more in front of Mazinkaiser. Also in the left panel below the picture Mazinkaiser shown taller than Great Maz. In the right panel below kazuya is TALLER than Mazinkaiser |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jan 30, 2014 23:34:44 GMT -5
@ gravewolf No sir Great Mazinger was standing next to Mazinkaiser on the ground inside a Graveyard of Mechanical Beasts . As TMZ has also stated Great Mazinger is standing in a little more in front of Mazinkaiser. Also in the left panel below the picture Mazinkaiser shown taller than Great Maz. In the right panel below kazuya is TALLER than Mazinkaiser True gravewolf. Unlike this one where Mazinkaiser is right next to Great Mazinger and Koji is still looking down on it.  }D |
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Post by gapudo on Jan 31, 2014 13:15:35 GMT -5
You guys know that manga don't count at all and that robot figures are taken from anime. See Getter 1 for example, the manga version is completely different. Even Mazinger Z is different, he is like Shin Mazinger Z
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Post by magengar on Jan 31, 2014 15:10:09 GMT -5
You guys know that manga don't count at all and that robot figures are taken from anime. See Getter 1 for example, the manga version is completely different. Even Mazinger Z is different, he is like Shin Mazinger Z The Mazinger-Z robot which you see in the Toei Animation 1972 series is not the original form. Toei got the robot character from Go Nagai's early manga... ...when Toei got their license to broadcast Mazinger-Z as an anime, they changed the original look of the robot to the style which we're used to seeing in the 1972 anime. The Shin Mazinger and the Mazinger-Z in the Mazinkaiser OVA are the same style that was the original Mazinger-Z robot from the old manga BEFORE Mazinger-Z ever became an anime. As for using manga as a reference to these robots' sizes... I don't bother with manga. If I wanna know the robot's size, I read the Mazinger Bible... it has all the size/power data on the Mazinger robots as well as some of the enemy robots. zozo-mag |
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Post by gapudo on Jan 31, 2014 15:27:02 GMT -5
As I said, the manga are different. SRCs are anime versions, not manga versions. So it's pointless to talk about the manga because they have nothing to do with the figures. All the figures are anime versions, all of them
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Post by droutmaster on Jan 31, 2014 16:23:30 GMT -5
Oh, but OVAs and Anime are the original source for a lot of these character, other than mangas. The majority of us did not see these super robots in a manga the first time we were introduced to them. So, even as inconsistent as the artist made the drawings, the OVAs and Animes are way more accurate than any of the other "official info" found anywhere else. Also, I really don't think Mazinkaiser towers Mazinger by an immense size: pic 1 pic 2 It is quite unfortunate that Super Robots artists did not stick to scales as Real Robot artists. It would have been awesome be able to actually watch a Super Robot anime or OVA where the sizes and scales were adhered to - like most, if not all, of the Gundam shows. }D nope, OVAs will never be an original source because not all animes started from ovas, specially Mazinkaiser since he actually started in a video game and then into the mangas and then into the ovas. If OVA where truly our material source then by this logic it means that grendizer is the same size as Mazinger Z (according to the official e-manga canon) and Great Mazinger (base on the movie GvsGM) which then means his shorter to Mazinakaiser. The true material source would be the still images where they do size comparison to each other (not numerical) which it wouldn't suffer inconsistencies issues in comparison when animated, Gundam's also suffer from the same thing, hell i think all anime robots either super or real suffers animation inconsistencies where they look huge or small. TBH there is really not getting away with it since it would be time consuming to do sucha thing, the only exception to a degree would be when the do the mechas in a anime in CGI style. My first time i really heard about Mazinkaiser was in the SRW games franchise and then later in the mangas, if i recall there was this manga that Kaiser was like 40m and he absorbs Mazinger Z to fully awaking him. There is another manga that is an alternate story where Mazinkaiser and Shin Getter are in it (grendizer is also in this universe but he never appears), Kaiser was a bit taller than Shin Getter in that one as well. |
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Jan 31, 2014 18:07:02 GMT -5
Totally disagree 100%. Anime and OVAs ARE the source of most of these characters made into Action Figures. I don't have a single recollection of a manga-direct-to-action-figure super robot. Do you? The closest would be the SOC GX-07 and the Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger due kit, and those were not from the manga, but from the OVA. So, how can you say the true material source would be still images? Those are 99.9999% not official. There are about a gazillion still images of super robots online and I'm sure less than .0000001% are official. Lots of folks can draw pretty professional looking pictures, but that does not make them official. At the end, the only real ones are captures from anime and OVAs, which brings us full circle once again. And please, do not bring up publications like the Mazinger Bible, which just spouts out silly scales and info. Go ahead and take those numbers and put them to the test on a paper drawing, like I did once, and let's see what sort of deformed robot comes out. Mazinkaiser is and always has been a SRW creation. It evolved into the mangas and OVAs, but it was born from SRW games. There are all sorts of mangas, which are all alternate universe (meaning not official). Oh, and Gundam does keep its sense of scale really well the majority of the time. No question about that. They may stray due to a slacker artist on rare occasions, but they are usually very mindful of their scales. And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion, so this particular issue will always go on forever and a day. }D |
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Post by droutmaster on Feb 1, 2014 3:54:20 GMT -5
Totally disagree 100%. Anime and OVAs ARE the source of most of these characters made into Action Figures. I don't have a single recollection of a manga-direct-to-action-figure super robot. Do you? The closest would be the SOC GX-07 and the Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger due kit, and those were not from the manga, but from the OVA. So, how can you say the true material source would be still images? Those are 99.9999% not official. There are about a gazillion still images of super robots online and I'm sure less than .0000001% are official. Lots of folks can draw pretty professional looking pictures, but that does not make them official. At the end, the only real ones are captures from anime and OVAs, which brings us full circle once again. And please, do not bring up publications like the Mazinger Bible, which just spouts out silly scales and info. Go ahead and take those numbers and put them to the test on a paper drawing, like I did once, and let's see what sort of deformed robot comes out. Mazinkaiser is and always has been a SRW creation. It evolved into the mangas and OVAs, but it was born from SRW games. There are all sorts of mangas, which are all alternate universe (meaning not official). Oh, and Gundam does keep its sense of scale really well the majority of the time. No question about that. They may stray due to a slacker artist on rare occasions, but they are usually very mindful of their scales. And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion, so this particular issue will always go on forever and a day. }D - West Kenji Version Mazinger Z (2 versions where made and both are base on the manga which one is more manga color than the other). - revoltech Getter Robo ark( base on the manga). - revoltech Getter Robo Go (base on the manga). - KT Shin Getter 1(base on manga), - revoltech Grendizer (trying to be base on manga/novel). - SRC Grendizer (base on the manga/novels with the help of T.O.P.). - HLPro MT-01 Grendizer (hLPro trying to make a manga version in the body of the anime version). - HLPro Z-Mazinger (base on the manga) - the design of Getter 1 and Getter Dragon use on Armageddon are base from the mangas which in turn have become figures. - SoC Mazinger Angels are base on there manga. - SoC classic Tetsujin 28(base of his manga). - the design of the Getter 1 and Black Getter done by Riobot are inspired base on the resent Getter manga. - Dino Getters are been base of a soon to be release manga version of them. so yea there where a some made on action-figures base on manga, but who is counting right? hmm perhaps i didn't explain well, when i say the still images i refer more on the official ones (obviously we are not talking about fan made stuff). Example, where MZ,GM and Mazinkaiser are compare to one another like so  no meters, no #, just simple and straight forward. This do not suffer like when in animation where it will completely varied one another in every frame or scene. Like SGM when his side by side to Mazinkaiser accordingly there the same size yet when Kaiser is picking up ProtoGM his much more taller than ProtoGM (and yet both SGM and PGM are the same size). But if OVA is the only true source of scale to them then accordingly... if Great Mazinger is as tall as Grendizer...  And Mazinger Z is as tall as Great Mazinger...  then by logic Mazinger Z is as tall as Grendizer...  which means that if Mazinkaiser is taller than Mazinger Z... and Mazinkaiser is taller than Great Mazinger and even more bigger in the movie...  Then it stands to reason that Mazinkaiser is even taller than Grendizer which by this degree if we take into context of the Mazinkaiser Promo where Shin getter and Grendizer are side by side and and Shin getter been a bit taller to Grendizer...  and if we take into consideration that the only time that we actually see Mazinkaiser and Shin Getter aside of the SRW games is the manga crossoover and is portrayed that Shin Getter is a bit shorter to Kaiser  then by this degree Kaiser is still the tallest so this means that in translation in figure the size of them would be correct.  So no matter how one looks at it, it seems Kaiser will still be taller. |
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Post by Gold on Feb 1, 2014 8:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by actionawesome on Feb 1, 2014 9:11:09 GMT -5
Nope. Skipping it. If I pick unit up it will be on a big sale. Just does not interest me.
It is weird, but of all the prototypes they have shown this one gets made? They have shown some absolutely stunning protypes. Did the Japanese fans get excited about this and not the other?
I hope that we get some of the other prototypes they have shown released soon. Brave Fighbird. Gekitouja. Daibouken. GaoFaiGar
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 1, 2014 11:41:04 GMT -5
Good pictures there drout! But they are all in viewers perspective, except the click-manga one which is obviously not OVA or Anime. The pictures like the one with Grendizer and Great Mazinger is being looked at from the bottom up, meaning that Great Mazinger was closer to the viewer than Grendizer, however they still looked the same size - which makes Grendizer quite bigger. The other with Grendizer and Shin Getter, Shin Getter looks bigger than Grendizer, but not by much. Which would be fine since 10 meters or so is not that much difference (a regular car is about 5 meters long). The rest are screwup by animation artists that just don't care much, like the one with Mazinkaiser carrying Venus and Great Mazinger. That was just laziness. The still image that you posted is from the Mazinkaiser DVD, and it is exactly what I've been saying: The newer Super Robot is about "one head" taller than its predecessor. As far as the list of figures straight from manga, I had totally forgotten about the Revoltech and KT. However... - West Kenji Version Mazinger Z (2 versions where made and both are base on the manga which one is more manga color than the other). The West Kenji are not action figures. They are pre-painted vinyl models. These are basically the same as the Toynami 9 inch tall vinyl Voltrons that were released some years ago. Definitely not action figures. - revoltech Getter Robo ark( base on the manga). Yeap, forgot about this guy. - revoltech Getter Robo Go (base on the manga). Yeap, forgot about this guy _ S.H.E. Getter Robo Go (manga). A resin action figure. - KT Shin Getter 1(base on manga) Yeap, forgot about this guy. - revoltech Grendizer (trying to be base on manga/novel). Nope, this is just a Revoltech design, not straight from manga, anime, or OVA. - SRC Grendizer (base on the manga/novels with the help of T.O.P.). Nope, this is an SRC design. Not straight to manga, anime, or OVA. - HLPro MT-01 Grendizer (hLPro trying to make a manga version in the body of the anime version). Yes and No. For some strange reason HLPro keeps calling their "anime" versions MANGA versions, when it is clearly the opposite. Oh, and the head sculpt you see in the original MT-01 appears in the anime many times, as well as in the manga. - HLPro Z-Mazinger (base on the manga). Not out yet, so it really doesn't count until it becomes a reality. _ Evolution Toy Z-Mazinger (manga). Not an action figure. This is a Garage Kit... a model. - the design of Getter 1 and Getter Dragon use on Armageddon are base from the mangas which in turn have become figures. They are still from the OVA, as specified in their advertising. - SoC Mazinger Angels are base on there manga. The manga was made AFTER the figures. So much that they use the actual figures as the characters - this one does not count. - SoC classic Tetsujin 28(base of his manga). It is based on its 1960's anime. - the design of the Getter 1 and Black Getter done by Riobot are inspired base on the resent Getter manga. Not really straight from the manga. These are Riobot's own design. - Dino Getters are been base of a soon to be release manga version. Don't know about these much, but what is coming out first - the figures or the manga? If the manga is coming out to sell the figures, then it is just like the SOC Mazinger Angels and does not count. So, all in all, seems like only the Revoltech Getters and S.H.E. Getter Go mentioned above are truly straight from manga. Even so, they are plastic figures, not in the high end category as the SOC, Aoshima, CM's that I was referring to. Maybe that is why I had no recollection of their existence... And back on topic, as far as that green SRC coming out, it seems quite bigger than the SRC Mazinger. But I am not getting either until it is selling for very, very cheaps on Amazon! }D |
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Post by droutmaster on Feb 1, 2014 17:02:34 GMT -5
Good pictures there drout! But they are all in viewers perspective, except the click-manga one which is obviously not OVA or Anime. The pictures like the one with Grendizer and Great Mazinger is being looked at from the bottom up, meaning that Great Mazinger was closer to the viewer than Grendizer, however they still looked the same size - which makes Grendizer quite bigger. The other with Grendizer and Shin Getter, Shin Getter looks bigger than Grendizer, but not by much. Which would be fine since 10 meters or so is not that much difference (a regular car is about 5 meters long). The rest are screwup by animation artists that just don't care much, like the one with Mazinkaiser carrying Venus and Great Mazinger. That was just laziness. The still image that you posted is from the Mazinkaiser DVD, and it is exactly what I've been saying: The newer Super Robot is about "one head" taller than its predecessor. As far as the list of figures straight from manga, I had totally forgotten about the Revoltech and KT. However... - West Kenji Version Mazinger Z (2 versions where made and both are base on the manga which one is more manga color than the other). The West Kenji are not action figures. They are pre-painted vinyl models. These are basically the same as the Toynami 9 inch tall vinyl Voltrons that were released some years ago. Definitely not action figures. - revoltech Getter Robo ark( base on the manga). Yeap, forgot about this guy. - revoltech Getter Robo Go (base on the manga). Yeap, forgot about this guy _ S.H.E. Getter Robo Go (manga). A resin action figure. - KT Shin Getter 1(base on manga) Yeap, forgot about this guy. - revoltech Grendizer (trying to be base on manga/novel). Nope, this is just a Revoltech design, not straight from manga, anime, or OVA. - SRC Grendizer (base on the manga/novels with the help of T.O.P.). Nope, this is an SRC design. Not straight to manga, anime, or OVA. - HLPro MT-01 Grendizer (hLPro trying to make a manga version in the body of the anime version). Yes and No. For some strange reason HLPro keeps calling their "anime" versions MANGA versions, when it is clearly the opposite. Oh, and the head sculpt you see in the original MT-01 appears in the anime many times, as well as in the manga. - HLPro Z-Mazinger (base on the manga). Not out yet, so it really doesn't count until it becomes a reality. _ Evolution Toy Z-Mazinger (manga). Not an action figure. This is a Garage Kit... a model. - the design of Getter 1 and Getter Dragon use on Armageddon are base from the mangas which in turn have become figures. They are still from the OVA, as specified in their advertising. - SoC Mazinger Angels are base on there manga. The manga was made AFTER the figures. So much that they use the actual figures as the characters - this one does not count. - SoC classic Tetsujin 28(base of his manga). It is based on its 1960's anime. - the design of the Getter 1 and Black Getter done by Riobot are inspired base on the resent Getter manga. Not really straight from the manga. These are Riobot's own design. - Dino Getters are been base of a soon to be release manga version. Don't know about these much, but what is coming out first - the figures or the manga? If the manga is coming out to sell the figures, then it is just like the SOC Mazinger Angels and does not count. So, all in all, seems like only the Revoltech Getters and S.H.E. Getter Go mentioned above are truly straight from manga. Even so, they are plastic figures, not in the high end category as the SOC, Aoshima, CM's that I was referring to. Maybe that is why I had no recollection of their existence... And back on topic, as far as that green SRC coming out, it seems quite bigger than the SRC Mazinger. But I am not getting either until it is selling for very, very cheaps on Amazon! }D Not exactly, the pictures i posted are not in angle and more in a front view. to give it more a straight forward Boss Borot has been show to be side by side with both Great Mazinger and Grendizer so yea Grendizer is the same size as Great mazinger, now granted that the one with Mazinger Z and Grendizer is from the e-manga and not an ova, its still an official material source since is canon and sequel to the events which also indicates correctly that Mazinger Z would be the same height to Grendizer which it actually matches how Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger are portrayed as the same size in the GM saga. Now if we go as you said that a new Super robot is bigger than the previews one by a head then it would mean that Mazinkaiser > Shin Getter > Grendizer > Getter Robo G> Getter Robo > Great Mazinger > Mazinger Z. as for the figure, what you mean is only diecast action figures and not any other kind well in that case only the HLPro MT-01 Grendizer been stated as manga version, SRC Grendizer and the SRC Shin Mazinger (both of them are base on the design from the mangas the only difference is that trying to make them more properly proportionate.) everyone else i can't consider them as action figure for reason there more of a collectible market. SoC Mazinger Angel where base from the design of the manga that GoNagia was working, this was confirm by him and Bandai as well. SoC Classic Tetsujin 28 didn't change design at all, in fact there just the same figure the only difference is the color finish to match to each version (which one is color to his manga portray). HLPro already confirm that Z-Mazinger is the next figure to be coming soon, ok granted is not out yet but still is a figure been base on a manga and is been work on, i doubt they will decided to cancel after so much heavy promotion they have done to him, that would be bad for them to do such a thing after people are looking forward to it. full pass, if only the others have gain more attention than this i would be getting them. how many where sacrifice for this? like 8? |
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Post by B- on Feb 1, 2014 17:12:22 GMT -5
Ok JUST ordered this 59.14 shipped from amazon...Saint Seiya 10th anniversary stand,gonna be SICK with SRCs.  |
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