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Post by mayita on Dec 1, 2008 17:07:38 GMT -5
iam an oldschool toy fan ,and just the plastic doesnt even feel like real plastic , the articulation its just ok but no great , the biggest dissapoinment was the combination part is just wrong , seriously is not worth the original price $250 or something and i really regret that i bought it , the only good thing about it is that now i can made a resin copy of it and make it on a bigger scale 1/35 to make it fit the original ones ill start the project this weekend might take a while to finish , since i never even finish the alpha project but it will be alot easier . this is the link of my alpha project robotjapan.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=fancustom&action=display&thread=11383 |
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Post by quinjester on Dec 1, 2008 17:42:42 GMT -5
Now that's an intriguing notion. Upsized resin Tlead bootlegs, it'll be cool to see  I figure that, even if it isn't the greatest combination Tlead and Legioss in the world, it'll be a nice rendition in individual modes of the two robots for less than the cost of a single Toynami Beta. It's all a matter of perspective, as you say, we have our own types of toys we enjoy |
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Post by quinjester on Dec 1, 2008 20:04:04 GMT -5
I've broken out my set and fiddled with it for a bit, and I can totally see where people who don't like this toy are coming from. On the one hand, it's pretty awesome and looks and feels great. On the other hand, it's pretty crap and feels ... like crap. It's not that it's average between the two, it's just ... both. The plastic is thin, but looks and feels pretty nice. Nothing locks together well at all, and yet the toys manage to be very stable. I've even been able to get the Legioss fighter mode to hold together quite solidly, and yet it still exudes this aura of "total crap" along with "totally sweet".
It's puzzling. I think if I had paid more for the figures, I would be disappointed. As is, I like 'em. Oddly, I like the Tlead the least of the two. Madness!
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Post by eriku on Dec 1, 2008 21:27:21 GMT -5
That is weird, usually people like the Tlead the better of the two. I'm a Legioss person myself and bought the set mostly for that. Maybe it's the lightness that makes it feel cheap? I dunno. All I know is it's a damn sight better all around than the Toynami and Aoshima ones I had. Those things were heavy, and they weren't better off for it. Perhaps CM's should have used all that diecast and Toynami should have been all plastic. In the end my favorite aspect about the CMs set is that they don't break apart when I play with them.  |
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Post by wilson on Dec 2, 2008 0:46:35 GMT -5
I have to say i just received this: CM'S Red Legioss is on sale at Angolz for $110.00 bucks the the toy is a piece of crap all plastic not even worth $50 o avoid it at all cost and wait for the toynamy version damn it. like you i paid the $110 + shipping for that set. it should be here this or next week. If you are disappointed at it i too most likely will be disappointed too. another disappointing MOSPEADA toy. my first disappointment was sh*tty toynamy alpha now this. i give up. |
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Post by mayita on Dec 2, 2008 1:37:52 GMT -5
I have to say i just received this: CM'S Red Legioss is on sale at Angolz for $110.00 bucks the the toy is a piece of crap all plastic not even worth $50 o avoid it at all cost and wait for the toynamy version damn it. like you i paid the $110 + shipping for that set. it should be here this or next week. If you are disappointed at it i too most likely will be disappointed too. another disappointing MOSPEADA toy. my first disappointment was sh*tty toynamy alpha now this. i give up. Who knows maybe you will like it but to me it feels like a resin kit and i have the feeling that if i move it to much ill brake also did it mention that its extremelly light?? |
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Post by quinjester on Dec 2, 2008 9:54:58 GMT -5
A resin kit would feel more solid, methinks;   My only real, significant complaint with these figures on extended fiddling is that Legioss hip movement is awful. It really needed some sort of outward movement, like the Tlead has. Oh well. |
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Post by eriku on Dec 2, 2008 10:05:10 GMT -5
It is light, but it's supposed to be made of a newer kind of plastic that is lightweight yet stong and slightly flexible to prevent breakage. The name of the plastic escapes me at the moment, although I'm thinking POM. Mine has been transformed and posed many times over the last 7 months and it's still got tight joints, no breaks or stress marks, no problems at all.
I love older toys, too and I can understand why this might feel fragile or cheap to someone. It's not the heavy plastic like 1/55 valks and toys like that are made of. It's also not fragile model kit plastic or crumbly Toynami plastic. I also appreciate diecast and I almost always enjoy it's presence, but I don't regard it as the single most important defining quality of a toy.
Hopefully some day soon another toy company will make another Legioss/Tlead that will please more people.
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Post by quinjester on Dec 2, 2008 10:22:21 GMT -5
The shoulder joints in my Legioss actually could stand to be a little tighter, as the left one kind of flops at the metal hinge a bit. I figure it's not meant to really use that hinge for movement though, just transformation, as it has a limited lateral hinge just underneath it and within the shoulders.
No, the real problem I think that one would have with these toys isn't the material or lightness, necessarily (though some people can understandably find issue with that if they don't like their toys feeling like model kits, even if they're sturdier than them), but the complete and utter lack of any sort of locking mechanisms for anything, really. If more parts connected to each other to hold things together in any of the modes, I would absolutely love this toy for any other faults it could have. As it is, I still like it, but it could be a sight better.
Instead, anytime I touch it, I have to readjust something, whether it's the nosecone and wings on the back and the dropped gun, or the legs of the Tlead in fighter mode, or the back thrusters and wings of the Legioss in jet mode. It's all just a little half backed and rushed feeling, which is a pity, because I think it could have used a little more time in the oven.
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Post by mayita on Dec 2, 2008 10:28:36 GMT -5
Ill get the toynami once it comes out and ill compare for what i can see the toynamy version will have diecast , will be a litle bigger (so i can mix it with my old alphas) but so far to me this version get a 5 out 10 (a 5 becuase its a long waited toy thats about it )
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Post by mayita on Dec 2, 2008 10:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by mayita on Dec 2, 2008 15:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by 00silvergt on Dec 2, 2008 16:12:30 GMT -5
A resin kit would feel more solid, methinks; My only real, significant complaint with these figures on extended fiddling is that Legioss hip movement is awful. It really needed some sort of outward movement, like the Tlead has. Oh well. Really? How about the hands...the one on my blue alpha disintegrated while I was trying to make him hold his gun...weak...super weak. |
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Post by quinjester on Dec 2, 2008 16:39:33 GMT -5
Was it a Toynami or Aoshima Alpha, or was it one of the CM's ones? The Aoshima/Toynami were notorious for (among other things... ask eriku for a happyfun "breakdown" of all the things wrong with the Toynami Alphas if you're looking for an amusing read) having hands that would disintegrate or even be broken in the box. I'm happy to say that the hands, along with the general fit and finish of my CM's Legioss and Tlead are absolutely top-notch. They just need some sort of grabby peg to hold the gun or something, because they have difficulty otherwise. I've taken to just locking the gun into an "over the shoulder" holstered position on the optional missile pod. Nice and stable, there, and I don't have to fiddle with swapping gun magazines. @ Mayita: I fear, if you don't rank the CM's Legioss set very highly, that you may explode if you pick up a Toynami or Aoshima pair, as they'll definitely cost you a lot more money, and (in the case of the Alpha, anyway, the jury is still out on the new Beta), they have an absolutely astronomical broken/poor QC rate. They are quite widely regarded as being "utter garbage", and be aware that I'm substituting words for politeness' sake. While I'm sure some people have to have had good experiences with their Toynamis, I don't know of any off the top of my head  |
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Post by eriku on Dec 2, 2008 17:12:38 GMT -5
The best part of my experience with the Aoshima version was when BBTS offered to give me a full refund. To be fair, I have read comments from people who didn't have problems with their Toynami/Aoshima Alphas. Weather that's because they got really good ones or because they didn't handle the toy very much, I don't know. I like Toynami as a company and I try to support them when I can. I love their Morphers, especially the Alpha morphers, and their Futurama line is a blast. That's the thing though, they seem to be really good at making very basic and simple toys, yet really terrible at making anything larger and complex (granted the MP Voltron isn't anything to sneeze at). I think they should focus on making small cheapy toys, importing toys from Japanese manufacturers, and step out of the home-brewed deluxe toy market with whatever dignity they have left. Their hearts are in the right place, I just don't think they have the ability and skills to match. I'd hate to see them go under because they invested too much money into their cruddy Masterpiece toys. |
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Post by mayita on Dec 2, 2008 19:05:26 GMT -5
i really cant wait till someone make a review of the toynami one
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Post by wilson on Dec 3, 2008 3:26:21 GMT -5
I just spent like 3 hours playing with my Red CM's alpha and beta set. My feeling for this set is somewhat mixed. I really enjoy the alpha in robot mode. It has a lot of details and looks great. In fighter mode that is another story. It does not seem to hold together in fighter mode. The beta looks and feels really good but the design is too simple. it felt like a cheap $15 power ranger toy that i could have gotten at toysrus. The metal connector bar just looks silly. It does the job as a connector bar but it does not feel like its part of the set. The alpha and beta connection felt like 2 separate toys that were forced together. I could have done a better job by just using simple tape as a connector device. Over the entire CM alpha is much better than the one by toynami. i had the first 3 alpha that toynami made and all of them had the same problem of breaking. Toynami alpha 1 our out of 10. CM's alpha 6 out of 10. CM's Beta 6 out of 10. CM's design of the alpha and beta connection system gets 3 out of 10. So CM's set earned 5 out of 10. Was it worth the $110+20 shipping? Well the $130 could have been spent on something better like the new soul of chogokin gx 44s set. i am not too disappointed but i felt let down a little.
Looking at the pictures of the new dark alpha by toynami, it seems like they have better QC now. Toynami’s beta looks great but I promise myself that I will never buy another Toynami again.
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Post by mayita on Dec 3, 2008 7:52:56 GMT -5
I just spent like 3 hours playing with my Red CM's alpha and beta set. My feeling for this set is somewhat mixed. I really enjoy the alpha in robot mode. It has a lot of details and looks great. In fighter mode that is another story. It does not seem to hold together in fighter mode. The beta looks and feels really good but the design is too simple. it felt like a cheap $15 power ranger toy that i could have gotten at toysrus. The metal connector bar just looks silly. It does the job as a connector bar but it does not feel like its part of the set. The alpha and beta connection felt like 2 separate toys that were forced together. I could have done a better job by just using simple tape as a connector device. Over the entire CM alpha is much better than the one by toynami. i had the first 3 alpha that toynami made and all of them had the same problem of breaking. Toynami alpha 1 our out of 10. CM's alpha 6 out of 10. CM's Beta 6 out of 10. CM's design of the alpha and beta connection system gets 3 out of 10. So CM's set earned 5 out of 10. Was it worth the $110+20 shipping? Well the $130 could have been spent on something better like the new soul of chogokin gx 44s set. i am not too disappointed but i felt let down a little. Looking at the pictures of the new dark alpha by toynami, it seems like they have better QC now. Toynami’s beta looks great but I promise myself that I will never buy another Toynami again. excellent review and i couldnt agree with you more  , but i think ill but the toynami becuase i gave the cm one to my 3 year old daughter as a test to see if he survives over the weekend |
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Post by wilson on Dec 3, 2008 15:54:32 GMT -5
I am really on the fence on this CM alpha and beta set. I really want to put it up on ebay. need the money to buy the new soul of chogokin gx set. that looks to be a much better bang for my money.
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Post by 00silvergt on Dec 3, 2008 16:22:04 GMT -5
I am really on the fence on this CM alpha and beta set. I really want to put it up on ebay. need the money to buy the new soul of chogokin gx set. that looks to be a much better bang for my money. I think so, SOC's would generally give you that security of bang for the buck vs these modern Mospeada's, etc. |
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