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Post by Omni Existence on Feb 27, 2007 21:48:40 GMT -5
Ben, I'm confused...Toynami was a piece of camel dung, however it had more diecast content, more gimmicks (eyes light up and the ladder thingy, etc. rubber wheels) than the monkey manure Yamato version which cost more. Both had sucky QA/QC, at least the toynami was easier to come by and she's cheap kinda like the raunchy girls in HS...LOL ;D ;D So, I don't get the point of history? BTW, this is why diecast content and dazzling lights do not concern me that much, case and point; Toynami! Toynami's 1/55's couldn't hold itself together to save it's life. Yes, both had it's share of QC issues, but at the end of the day, having a 1/48 has FAR FAR greater advantages than getting the Toynami VT's, in spite of it's gimmicks... I mean, what would you rather have, the 1/48 that has slightly skinny arms, but works perfectly in Fighter mode, or the Toynami that has light up eyes, but can't turn it's neck around? And if you do turn the neck to a certain degree, it breaks off the wires for the LED eyes-making the whole thing light up bit pointless? Regarding the whole "Toynami is cheap and easier to come by" bit, guess what? Yammies would also be easy to come by and cheap in North America had Toynami NOT reared it's fugly "legal" @ss and blocked Yamato USA from importing Macross stuff to the U.S.! If you can't get cheap Yammies, blame Toynami and HG.  |
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Post by 00silvergt on Feb 27, 2007 22:12:35 GMT -5
Omni et al, by no means am I sticking up for Toynami. I know Ben brought up the Monkey manure bit, but look earlier and I called Toynami's Camel Dung. Either one bites. The Chunky Monkeys by far take the oscar home when it comes to being a great Valkyrie toy.
Operative word being: toy. Not a scale model trying to be a toy, but a real toy. One you can play with and transform more than twice. Both the Yam and the Toynami fail miserably in this department. Those of us with Takas and Bandai chunkys know of the resilience of the older valks. Yeah, they may not be the "HDTV" version of the real thing, but they had durability and weight.
Ok, now that's out of the way, let's get into the legality issue. It is all business, I can't really blame Toynami for stopping Yam USA from importing since it bought exclusive rights from HG, who owns North American licensing from Big West. It is exercising it's right to get what they paid for.
Just like what we would like when we pay for our stuff. Yam valks can cost ~$120 - $200 USD upper echelon being retail. However, what do you get with that? A poorly made, poorly designed, model. So if you want a poorly made, poorly designed toy, go buy the Toynami, it is crappy and will disappoint you, but you got away easy by paying only $30 for it at the closeout bin of EB games.
Hey, Yams display nice, but they take up a lot of room box wise. I personally own 4 1/48's, a fast pack, the GBP armor and 1/60 VF-0s. i paid good money for them, but I did not get my money's worth. After the Yam fiasco, I dare not try to touch the Toynami, that would be like hitting myself in the head, saying "ouch" and repeating it as necessary.
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Post by Omni Existence on Feb 28, 2007 0:11:10 GMT -5
Omni et al, by no means am I sticking up for Toynami. I know Ben brought up the Monkey manure bit, but look earlier and I called Toynami's Camel Dung. Either one bites. The Chunky Monkeys by far take the oscar home when it comes to being a great Valkyrie toy. I know. ;D But if you're going to call Yamato and Toynami by their faults, and Bandai by it's merits, you should at least give some insight on what makes one better/worse than the other. "That" was the whole point of my post.  LOL! I can argue with you all day about that. First, let's make it clear. The 48 is more of a hybrid between a model and a toy. It has some of the details, and the aesthetic accuracy of a model, and playability of an adult toy (not what you're thinking you pervs! ;D ). I've got several 1/48's, and back when work wasn't preventing me from having a "life" I actually played and transformed my 1/48's everytime I had a chance. They're more durable than they look. Now, I can understand your sentiments if you had one or two lemmons in your 1/48 basket, but for me, all my Yammies have been perfect (to say the very least). Also, we have to remember that the Chunky-Monkeys were designed in a time when toys were "toys" created for KIDS. Simplified transformation, extremely durable to withstand the beatings of a 5 year old. High end toys like the Yamato 1/48's and most of the other toys now, are being made for 30-something fanboys, who have jobs and can afford the prices, but moreso, more intelligent than your average 5 year old, that they don't throw their toys around- although, they may "fly" it around the house when no one's looking, and make funny shooting and flying sounds. ;D True, or they're just afraid of a little competition The 1/48's are one thing, but they are certainly NOT poorly made. - Fact: The 1/48's can transform to an almost perfect representation of it's animated counterpart with very minimum compromises to the design and without any removable parts, is an engineering feat in itself. - Fact: It has about 30 to 45% more moving parts than the Chunky-Monkeys, but it still holds together tightly and securely in all 3 modes even after several transformations. Says alot about it's durability, don't it? Let's consider those fun factoids shall we? The box though... I agree with you he he he he...Yammie boxes suck! Anywhoo... we digress.... shall we call "back on topic?" ;D |
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Post by nikodiablo on Feb 28, 2007 0:36:59 GMT -5
Hey, CM's corporation is really going full speed these days  ! The people in Toynami are going to eat their hearts out! |
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Post by 00silvergt on Feb 28, 2007 1:19:21 GMT -5
We can agree to disagree Omni...but yes, we should get back on topic. I hope the Cyclone lives up to the hype, since I know I'm not buying the Gakken one, unless I stumble upon it in a garage sale for $10... ;D
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Post by mechaboy1 on Feb 28, 2007 1:42:52 GMT -5
I'm a big kid, I won't let any of my kids play with my vintage 1/55's because they're mine. ;D |
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Post by mayita on Mar 2, 2007 16:21:31 GMT -5
Omni et al, by no means am I sticking up for Toynami. I know Ben brought up the Monkey manure bit, but look earlier and I called Toynami's Camel Dung. Either one bites. The Chunky Monkeys by far take the oscar home when it comes to being a great Valkyrie toy. I know. ;D But if you're going to call Yamato and Toynami by their faults, and Bandai by it's merits, you should at least give some insight on what makes one better/worse than the other. "That" was the whole point of my post. LOL! I can argue with you all day about that. First, let's make it clear. The 48 is more of a hybrid between a model and a toy. It has some of the details, and the aesthetic accuracy of a model, and playability of an adult toy (not what you're thinking you pervs! ;D ). I've got several 1/48's, and back when work wasn't preventing me from having a "life" I actually played and transformed my 1/48's everytime I had a chance. They're more durable than they look. Now, I can understand your sentiments if you had one or two lemmons in your 1/48 basket, but for me, all my Yammies have been perfect (to say the very least). Also, we have to remember that the Chunky-Monkeys were designed in a time when toys were "toys" created for KIDS. Simplified transformation, extremely durable to withstand the beatings of a 5 year old. High end toys like the Yamato 1/48's and most of the other toys now, are being made for 30-something fanboys, who have jobs and can afford the prices, but moreso, more intelligent than your average 5 year old, that they don't throw their toys around- although, they may "fly" it around the house when no one's looking, and make funny shooting and flying sounds. ;D True, or they're just afraid of a little competition The 1/48's are one thing, but they are certainly NOT poorly made. - Fact: The 1/48's can transform to an almost perfect representation of it's animated counterpart with very minimum compromises to the design and without any removable parts, is an engineering feat in itself. - Fact: It has about 30 to 45% more moving parts than the Chunky-Monkeys, but it still holds together tightly and securely in all 3 modes even after several transformations. Says alot about it's durability, don't it? Let's consider those fun factoids shall we? The box though... I agree with you he he he he...Yammie boxes suck! Anywhoo... we digress.... shall we call "back on topic?" ;D I have someting to say , I hate 1/48 Scale , Long live 1/55!!!!! |
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Post by thebigr on Mar 2, 2007 18:32:18 GMT -5
FINALLY... someone LISTENS to what people have wanted for 20+ years. sweet. CM makes nice stuff.
while i did enjoy my Toynami valks i sold them once i got my first 1/48- now i'm hooked. Mine isn't fragile at all- in fact it's MUCH more sturdy than my Toynami- both fell off the same shelf at the same time- no damage to my Yamato, a busted antenna on the Toynami.
i'm sceptical about those cyclones. Look, there's a bunch of reasons Toynami stuff sat on the shelf & went to discount- bad QC, too much $$$, and big buzz about that QC, with no customer service at all. People got burned on that Voltron set, too. How many US shops are *really* going to order these? not many besides the few anime-catering sites.
it's all about what you want.
nice box, bad 1/55 copy toy = Toynami
bad box, nice anime accurate toy/model = Yamato
if you're low on $$$ and want some 1/55 get the Bandai reissues.
if Harmony Gold and Toynami were smart they would have just imported the 1/48's and made those nice Robotech boxes for them, but they wanted to be big dogs and make their own.
btw, i haven't seen MP Robotech's at those Gamestores in a long time...
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Post by paladin on Mar 3, 2007 12:46:43 GMT -5
I'm so happy I held off on getting any of the Toynami Alphas.
The question now is: will CM's make Cyclones/ride armor?
Should we still buy Toynami's Masterpiece Cyclones?
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Post by demizer on Mar 5, 2007 0:16:39 GMT -5
O.K.I broke down and got a Toynami Sue Graham shadow,but for the life of me I cant figure out how to get the gun on the hand.Does anyone have any input?
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Post by lurkerx on Mar 5, 2007 12:45:10 GMT -5
O.K.I broke down and got a Toynami Sue Graham shadow,but for the life of me I cant figure out how to get the gun on the hand.Does anyone have any input? There's a joint in the thumb just move it up and slip the gun in. its normal, that the gun isn't gripped tightly. Don't try and close the fist further to make for a tight grip your Alpha's hand will crumble if you do. If you really want a firmer grip just use some putty to hold the gun in place. That happened to my Scott B. Alpha. |
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Post by demizer on Mar 5, 2007 17:06:14 GMT -5
AHA!Thank you Lurker X.Why they didn't put that in the instrucs.is beyond me,I thought mine had a defect.not a bad looking fig for $50.00 shipped.
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Post by thebigr on Mar 17, 2007 9:37:20 GMT -5
...does anyone have a link yet for pre-ordering this Beta bad-boy from CMs?
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Post by 00silvergt on Mar 19, 2007 12:36:46 GMT -5
Carefully, this is one of the reported problems with the alphas. You will bust the hands if you are not careful in placing the gun.
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Post by zephyranthes on Mar 23, 2007 1:02:23 GMT -5
I now kind of regret getting a Toynami Masterpiece Alpha since Toynami won't be producing the Beta. I doubt I'll be buying another Toynami product. Awful Quality Control. I wonder what CM's version will be like and how much it'll cost.
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Post by howieh on Mar 23, 2007 8:19:45 GMT -5
I now kind of regret getting a Toynami Masterpiece Alpha since Toynami won't be producing the Beta. I doubt I'll be buying another Toynami product. Awful Quality Control. I hear ya and agree with ya. No more Toynami for me, even if CMS doesn't carry the franchise further than an Alpha. |
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Post by thebigr on Mar 23, 2007 8:38:03 GMT -5
they had their chance and missed the ball... i am sooo glad i got rid of my Toynami stuff and upgraded to the 1/48 Yamato line.
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Post by emerson on Mar 24, 2007 14:38:25 GMT -5
Noted regarding CM's past reputation for quality, but if the quality of their most recent Patlabor Ingram gokins is any indication, I think I am going to be very happy with the Legioss + Tread combos.
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Post by howieh on Apr 2, 2007 10:22:06 GMT -5
I'm gonna be happy with ANY Legioss/Tread combo. Period!
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Post by goldorak on Apr 10, 2007 0:20:24 GMT -5
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