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Post by Mr. Ginrai on Feb 6, 2015 3:34:31 GMT -5
Transformers are not Super Robot. Even their giant combiners and planet sized characters are not Super Robots. That is just how it is. }D They are super robot, end of discussion. Next you'll probably be telling me Braves aren't super robots either despite many of them being sentient. robots or vehicles usually piloted by... Change of emphasis there. I don't know where the hell you guys get your criteria for this stuff, but it's wrong. Technically you all are a little bit wrong and a little bit right. Read what I have to say and then make your own opinion without derailing the thread. Some of the anime/shows mentioned other than TF have already started to do that and the thread is getting sloppy. If you really want to get into the TF side of the discussion, feel free to use my post below as a thread starter in general discussion or the transformer sub-forum. Just credit me please if you do. It has to do more with the characteristics of the specific genres than whether something is a robot or not. We will start with real robots. Usually they are piloted mecha or vehicle type creations. Think dougram, RX-78 Gundam, Valkyries. As stated they can legitimately be explained by science or are machines that could be made and used in the real world with real current technology. Right now. Heavy emphasis on realism. Super robots are either piloted or controlled - doesn't matter if they are a combiner like voltes or a single bot like tetsujin 28. They are made of materials, and have weapons/powers/attacks that are beyond known materials and capabilities. Science cannot supply all or most of the answers, especially for robots that are not of this organic world (beast king golion - the spirit/being/whatever trapped within). As a result, these robots are essentially gods above those they walk among/protect. They are beyond the comprehension of most people and those that understand the in their respective story lines are usually just as ridiculous. (This is not the same thing as new types in gundam however so we won't get into that aspect of the people here). Transformers aren't technically super robots. They are autonomous robotic life forms as Optimus prime says, and they have a spark (aka soul) and are sentient, can think for themselves and feel pain, emotion, etc. They do have advanced technology and weapons to an extent.some can be explained and some cannot. Most (almost all) transformers are NOT super robots or real robots. They fit the description above. They are robots, of a very specific type. However, the following robot groups from transformers DO fit with the super robot genre, somewhat, mainly the Masters/Transtectors (and we have to use the Japanese chronology here - the American chronology doesn't have enough data to support this and make it work): Headmasters, Godmasters (aka Powermasters), Targetmasters, Brainmasters (from Victory). . These groups all use energy/techniques/weapons that would place them in the super robot genre. They are also piloted by people or sentient beings. They have a little bit of real robot genre too as some of the tech is probably verifiable for the world during their particular time period. Pretenders (from Transformers Victory) do count in a way because the inner robot can pilot/control the shell inside it or outside it. So they are kind of the opposite. They are more real robot genre rooted because they are piloted/controlled directly (by robots themselves), but their technology is more super robot rooted. Does that make sense to all of you?
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Post by reVolVer on Feb 6, 2015 4:10:03 GMT -5
I don't know where the hell you guys get your criteria for this stuff, but it's wrong. hehehe i dunno about that.. telling us its wrong.. when youre the only one who thinks otherwise.. but if u insist.. then ok.
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Post by reVolVer on Feb 6, 2015 4:17:19 GMT -5
BTW..
usually Also found in: Legal, Acronyms, Idioms, Wikipedia. u·su·al (yo͞o′zho͞o-əl) adj. 1. Commonly encountered, experienced, or observed: the usual summer heat. 2. Regularly or customarily used: ended the speech with the usual expressions of thanks. 3. In conformity with regular practice or procedure: Come at the usual time. Idiom: as usual As commonly or habitually happens: As usual, I slept late that Saturday morning. [Middle English, from Old French usuel, from Late Latin ūsuālis, from Latin ūsus, use, from past participle of ūtī, to use.] u′su·al·ly adv. u′su·al·ness n. Synonyms: usual, accustomed, customary, habitual, inveterate These adjectives apply to what is expected or familiar because it occurs frequently or recurs regularly: took my usual route to work; resolved the difficulty with her accustomed resourcefulness; observes the customary distinction between "lend" and "borrow"; didn't finish the project because of his habitual laziness; your inveterate fondness for puns.
is there a tiny, tiny gap for Transformers to fit in?
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Feb 6, 2015 4:22:16 GMT -5
Technically you all are a little bit wrong and a little bit right. Read what I have to say and then make your own opinion without derailing the thread. Some of the anime/shows mentioned other than TF have already started to do that and the thread is getting sloppy. If you really want to get into the TF side of the discussion, feel free to use my post below as a thread starter in general discussion or the transformer sub-forum. Just credit me please if you do. It has to do more with the characteristics of the specific genres than whether something is a robot or not. We will start with real robots. Usually they are piloted mecha or vehicle type creations. Think dougram, RX-78 Gundam, Valkyries. As stated they can legitimately be explained by science or are machines that could be made and used in the real world with real current technology. Right now. Heavy emphasis on realism. Super robots are either piloted or controlled - doesn't matter if they are a combiner like voltes or a single bot like tetsujin 28. They are made of materials, and have weapons/powers/attacks that are beyond known materials and capabilities. Science cannot supply all or most of the answers, especially for robots that are not of this organic world (beast king golion - the spirit/being/whatever trapped within). As a result, these robots are essentially gods above those they walk among/protect. They are beyond the comprehension of most people and those that understand the in their respective story lines are usually just as ridiculous. (This is not the same thing as new types in gundam however so we won't get into that aspect of the people here). Transformers aren't technically super robots. They are autonomous robotic life forms as Optimus prime says, and they have a spark (aka soul) and are sentient, can think for themselves and feel pain, emotion, etc. They do have advanced technology and weapons to an extent.some can be explained and some cannot. Most (almost all) transformers are NOT super robots or real robots. They fit the description above. They are robots, of a very specific type. However, the following robot groups from transformers DO fit with the super robot genre, somewhat, mainly the Masters/Transtectors (and we have to use the Japanese chronology here - the American chronology doesn't have enough data to support this and make it work): Headmasters, Godmasters (aka Powermasters), Targetmasters, Brainmasters (from Victory). . These groups all use energy/techniques/weapons that would place them in the super robot genre. They are also piloted by people or sentient beings. They have a little bit of real robot genre too as some of the tech is probably verifiable for the world during their particular time period. Pretenders (from Transformers Victory) do count in a way because the inner robot can pilot/control the shell inside it or outside it. So they are kind of the opposite. They are more real robot genre rooted because they are piloted/controlled directly (by robots themselves), but their technology is more super robot rooted. Does that make sense to all of you? Makes sense to me. Thanks for explaining in detail all of the stuff mister. As I said, I know very little about the TF universe, I thought that in all of the series every transformer was like OP or Megatron, all sentient robotic beings. Glad to know I was wrong, variety is a good thing. Alright, I think we derailed this thread enough already. As Mr. Ginrai said, if you want to continue the discussion, it would be wiser to create a specific thread for it. Meanwhile, let's keep talking about why Xabungle is such a great show and why everybody should watch it: Yes. That's a melon
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Post by tetsuryu on Feb 6, 2015 4:37:51 GMT -5
Besides, no one has been really able to draw a clear line between super vs real either - no matter what criteria you come up with, you always got at least two show that break the criteria. Gundam, for example, has loads of characteristics that would qualify as "super".
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Post by reVolVer on Feb 6, 2015 4:40:20 GMT -5
Yup, i do agree with Mr. Ginrai.. some groups will fit the description like TF Masterforce.. but just becoz the plot calls for it... and not defined as a whole franchise. (they gone back to being "normal" at the end of the series.) maybe thats the little gap.. hehehe..
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Feb 6, 2015 5:14:37 GMT -5
Besides, no one has been really able to draw a clear line between super vs real either - no matter what criteria you come up with, you always got at least two show that break the criteria. Gundam, for example, has loads of characteristics that would qualify as "super". well, we've got a "spectrum" of robots here, with the "completely super" at one end and the "completely real" as the other extreme, and then a plethora of other robots and shows in between. Just like... Zambot 3 is mainly a super robot, with a bit of realism thrown in (it was directed by Tomino after all), and Xabungle is mainly real robot, but the way many fights go are reminiscent of super robot shows. + absurdity some times, hehe. And even Evangelion is in between the 2, more or less.
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Post by reVolVer on Feb 6, 2015 5:31:10 GMT -5
Besides, no one has been really able to draw a clear line between super vs real either - no matter what criteria you come up with, you always got at least two show that break the criteria. Gundam, for example, has loads of characteristics that would qualify as "super". well, we've got a "spectrum" of robots here, with the "completely super" at one end and the "completely real" as the other extreme, and then a plethora of other robots and shows in between. Just like... Zambot 3 is mainly a super robot, with a bit of realism thrown in (it was directed by Tomino after all), and Xabungle is mainly real robot, but the way many fights go are reminiscent of super robot shows. + absurdity some times, hehe. And even Evangelion is in between the 2, more or less. they may go back and forth being Super robot and real robot.. but the bottomline is.. they are not "Autonomous Robotic Organisms" hehe... even G Gundam which some say falls in the super robot category. perhaps TF Masterforce somewhat falls between those two categories..coz majority in the series humans control the machines but Takara wouldnt allow that OFCOURSE, coz they aint like that. So at the end the of the series they regained thier cybertronian consciousness as usual, in which it was continued in the sequel Transformers Victory.
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Post by tetsuryu on Feb 6, 2015 5:37:15 GMT -5
they may go back and forth being Super robot and real robot.. but the bottomline is.. they are not "Autonomous Robotic Organisms" But they are not organic. Therefore, they are robots.
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Post by reVolVer on Feb 6, 2015 5:46:29 GMT -5
hehehe its just some sort codename man.. dont take it as it is.. hence the closed parenthesis. its self-conscious.. to be exact. should have used that instead..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 12:43:42 GMT -5
they may go back and forth being Super robot and real robot.. but the bottomline is.. they are not "Autonomous Robotic Organisms" But they are not organic. Therefore, they are robots. Optimus Primal will like to have a talk with you.
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Post by tetsuryu on Feb 6, 2015 12:53:17 GMT -5
I don't care about Beast Wars!
If you want to exclude that one, that's fine by me.
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Post by treatment on Feb 6, 2015 14:13:31 GMT -5
Another Super Robot favorite: Megas XLR!!! Still no home-video (dvd/bd) release, tho...
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Post by tetsuryu on Feb 6, 2015 22:04:46 GMT -5
Oh well I think there's quite a large chunk of Transformers fans who don't care about Beast Machines either, largely for that reason.
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Post by adi182 on Feb 7, 2015 16:17:54 GMT -5
I used to love Transformers but since I got into Japanese Super Robots like Mazinger they look like cheap kids cartoons.
my favorite super robot cartoon at the moment has to be Mazinkaiser. But not the SKL version.
I wish they would make an anime of Mazinger Angels
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 9, 2015 16:23:35 GMT -5
can some one tell me who is this Mazinger Z imposter
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Post by Mechanical Flesh on Feb 9, 2015 16:54:57 GMT -5
can some one tell me who is this Mazinger Z imposter FOUND IT! The page is in Italian, but still: www.encirobot.com/6oav/elencooav.asp#avventI'll sum it up for you: apparently, it was made by a guy in Hong Kong, cutting and pasting together scenes from Korean super robot cartoons, parodies of Mazinger Z and other super robot shows. The robot's name is Mazinger 3 (a combiner perhaps?). Film was made in 1982. EDIT: I'm just as pissed off as you are
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 9, 2015 17:06:27 GMT -5
can some one tell me who is this Mazinger Z imposter FOUND IT! The page is in Italian, but still: www.encirobot.com/6oav/elencooav.asp#avventI'll sum it up for you: apparently, it was made by a guy in Hong Kong, cutting and pasting together scenes from Korean super robot cartoons, parodies of Mazinger Z and other super robot shows. The robot's name is Mazinger 3 (a combiner perhaps?). Film was made in 1982. EDIT: I'm just as pissed off as you are thanks MF i was in shock when i saw it even the breast fire plates got ripped off
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Post by Fontes on Feb 9, 2015 17:28:50 GMT -5
Well, I haven't watched as many Super Robot anime as I should, but my top 3 would be: 3 - Dai-Guard: Giant robots with bureocracy... works better than it sounds! Personally I find it to be Evangelion without the overly pretentious symbolisms. And yes... DAT ROCKET PUNCH!!! Doesn't come back? Who cares, it's still awesome! A good way to put it is "A Real Robot in a Super Robot setting". 2: G Gundam: They clearly didn't give a damn when making this... and that's why I love it. Also shows some neat designs from Hajime Katoki before he started turning all of his mechs into clones of Gundam Unicorn. 1: GaoGaiGar (along with GGG FINAL): A mecha series where they bother to explain how can they perform a gattai without the enemy interfering? SOLD! Along with other factors like the great gattai sequences and some neat thought on how to handle many super-robot tropes, this is certainly my personal favourite super robot show, so far! Sure, it's mostly a "monster of the week", but at least it's a good one at that. Quick thoughts on some more (some real robot ones thrown in as well, just because): Code Geass: I liked it overall, but there were plenty of IMO unnecessary segments, including the ending, that kinda held it back for me. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann: Liked it a lot when I first saw it... but then I watched GGG, and now TTGL feels like a cheap knock-off of it on many aspects. And I don't believe Tengen Toppa is really as big as it seems in the show. XD Zegapain: Surprisingly pleasant, it's like The Matrix with mecha. Definately worth a look. It's more real-robot than super, but screw it. Overman King Gainer: It's Tomino (the creator of Gundam) trying to pull a Studio Ghibli. It's a cute one. And the main mech has dreadlocks... a mech with dreadlocks! DREADLOCKS! Linebarrels of Iron:Decent action, a cute plot with plenty of funny moments, and while the fanservice is pretty high, it's not to the point of making me wanna quit. Unlike... Godannar: Watched HALF of the first episode, and called it quits. If I wanna see female body parts bouncing all across my screen, I already have PLENTY of that all over the internet. It's a shame, since the main mech does look pretty badass. Oh... and I diged Beast Wars! The animation is dreadful by today's standards, but I found it to be pretty decent. I'll take it over the Michael Bay movies any day, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 18:26:33 GMT -5
can some one tell me who is this Mazinger Z imposter It is Super Mazinger 3. It is a Korean anime, which in turns is a rip-off of both Mazinger-Z and Getter Robo. Three ships combine into one robot. And if you think that Super Mazinger 3 is bad, you need to watch Galaxy Express Mazinger 7. It is a Korean Knock-off of the Taiwanese Sankan-Oh toy (the one that transforms into a tank).
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