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Post by Kidchuckle on May 22, 2005 19:15:06 GMT -5
Gaiking's price seems fine as long as there's decent diecast content. Take that away and it could still be great, like the SOP Yamato, but it becomes a lot harder to love. Man, think about the also much cheaper (originally at least) SOC Poseidon with its massive diecast content. It's chest is so big and heavy that a diecast skull Gaiking probably wouldn't have any worse balance problems than it has. And it has those large diecast tracked legs too, in addition to the normal set. I bet I'll love Gaiking but now I'm thinking I'll really regret having ordered 2. A large part of the initial attraction to me was the idea of a big diecast skull. Hmm ataru.. I think if you had the skull diecast.. although would be way cooler.. I have to disagree with you about the balancing. The skull is very much would be weighted in the front.. and not the centre over the feet. YOu deffinitely have to counter weight the front. But it looks awesome. Can't wait to pick that up.
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Post by Chen on May 22, 2005 19:17:38 GMT -5
Exactly the cost of tooling and engineering for all the little pieces and gimmicks probably takes up alot of the budget so some parts were made out of plastic instead of die cast. Unfortunately the lower legs on Grendizer are plastic, his thighs and feet are die cast.
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Post by Kuro Kishi on May 22, 2005 19:22:38 GMT -5
Wow,I thought the lower legs were metal,too. But,still he's praised by many collectors to be one of the greatest SOCs ever made.But what's the reason for the retracting legs anyway?Isn't it used for the docking mode in his UFO?
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Post by Chen on May 22, 2005 19:38:12 GMT -5
Yup, the retracting legs are for his combined Spazer mode.
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Post by ataru on May 22, 2005 19:39:28 GMT -5
Kidchuckle- have you seen the little gaiking that comes with the daikuumaryuu? It has a diecast skull, diecast back, diecast shoulders and upper arms, and diecast upper legs. It's a little unwieldly, mostly because of bad ankle joints and weak hip joints, but it stands just fine. Take that and upsize it (don't get me wrong, I did *not* just want a larger version of the little one) and it should be pretty much the same, except the full-size soc could have stronger joints and more weight in the lower body to help balance. Unfortunately it seems like it doesn't have the diecast lower legs I was hoping for, but it still has diecast feet, something the little gaiking doesn't have. Also, the skull wouldn't be solid diecast anyway- I would have expected the diecast to be about as thick as the plastic actually is. In that case it'd be mostly empty space inside anyway.
Oh well, I'm still psyched, even with a plastic skull and plastic lower legs. Still the same gaiking that was making me drool when I thought it had more diecast.
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Post by ataru on May 23, 2005 11:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by Kidchuckle on May 23, 2005 14:29:32 GMT -5
yeap I do.... and it works for that scale.. but hes not very posable.
I have it. The little Gaiking.. only moves in one degree of freedom... its not very good for posing. You can't put both arms foreward and have that figure stand either.. its not very stable.. ask anyone who has it..
For this ultimate Gaiking... the arms have a wider range of freedom.. and you want to pose this beauty as many ways possible without worrying about it tipping.
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Post by ataru on May 23, 2005 15:33:27 GMT -5
The little gaiking can stand with both arms forward. Not with the miracle drills equipped, but they're humongous. The miracle drills for the new gaiking are much smaller relatively, anyway.
I think if the little gaiking can stand up straight with both arms extended fully forward without falling down, (not exactly an iconic pose for gaiking anyway) even with its pathetic knee and ankle joints, the GX-27, with hopefully much stiffer joints (I'm thinking average level for standard SOCs) and with more diecast in the lower body could have handled a diecast skull with out the worsened balance making you wish it were plastic. Heck, they could have put diecast in the backpack to improve the center of gravity if they felt there was a need. I have my Poseidon in a leaning far forward, ready-to-grapple pose with the normal legs, which are actually less stable than most thanks to the ball joint knees, and it's quite stable. I would have been just as annoyed if Bandai had decided to give Poseidon a plastic chest for stability's sake- yeah, it would be even more stable, but IMO it wouldn't be worth sacrificing the diecast. Same deal with the barrel-chested MP optimus prime.
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Post by ataru on May 23, 2005 15:41:49 GMT -5
BTW, anyone else wondering why Bandai decided to make the connection holes for the counter crosses on the blue parts of the leg? A black hole on a black piece is relatively hard to spot, but on a blue piece it's dead obvious. I think they got this part better on the little gaiking than the gx-27.
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Post by Kidchuckle on May 24, 2005 9:07:03 GMT -5
ataru.. it can.. but its touchy... it doesn't balance well. The whole point of gaiking is to have all his accessories and be able to stand. T he little gaiking is touch to a point where you really can't keep moving it. and limited to only some poses because of the balance.
this new gaiking has way more movement and accessories. Its huge. I don't mind the less metal in the chest area... I'd rather have a stable gaiking that I can put in all kinds of poses with accessories.
but I'm not going to argue with you ataru... we're both fans.. and more metal is always a bonus.. which I agree with any figure. But with Gaiking.. I just think its not possible.
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Post by Chen on May 24, 2005 11:12:32 GMT -5
If I were you two, I'd just be glad Bandai is making a full size Gaiking! Now all we need is Dangard, Reideen, Daimos, Dangaio, Gunbuster......so many still.
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Post by Chen on May 24, 2005 11:50:02 GMT -5
BTW, Gold just posted at Toyboxdx.com that the upper skull is die cast but the lower jaw is plastic along with the lower legs. Also you have to give a good yank to extend the legs so they lock.
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Post by ataru on May 24, 2005 12:37:12 GMT -5
If the upper skull is diecast, well, that's most of the skull. I'm very glad to hear it. Kidchuckle, I bet you'll find that balance will still be far better than that of the little gaiking, even with this.
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Post by Kuro Kishi on May 24, 2005 13:01:25 GMT -5
Well that's a relief. The Gaiking skull is metal, and not plastic,YAY!!!!!!!!! .Now all 3 parts that make up Gaiking have metal in them. GX-27 Gaiking,however,is sort of like a counterpart of GX-04 because of the retractable legs,in my view.
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Post by Chen on May 24, 2005 13:11:59 GMT -5
GX-27 Gaiking,however,is sort of like a counterpart of GX-04 because of the retractable legs,in my view. Your right, the first thing I'm doing when I get my Gaiking is to put him next to Grendizer and take some pics . Then I'm gonna put Great Maz. Getter Dragon, Gaiking, and Grendizer (four of MY MOST FAVORITE Super Robots) together for some more shots ;D.
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Post by ataru on May 24, 2005 13:18:25 GMT -5
I wonder if ultimately I wouldn't be happier with a gaiking that couldn't separate into the 3 parts, if that meant instead it could have more diecast parts and be more solid. The same idea comes up when people talk about stuff like Combattler, but it's pretty different with gaiking due to it's still being quite posable even with the gattai gimmick, and the combination itself being so, well, dumb. The pieces look so obviously like arms and legs (except for the skull) that it definitely takes a certain kind of mindset to appreciate them in separated form. The combination itself competes with that of the Impulse gundam in meaninglessness outside of as a toy gimmick (in the show, daikuumaryuu itself takes out the enemies very often, but is severely weakened when it loses the head to form gaiking's chest, at least until quite later in the show when it gets that other weird backup head). Oh well, just have to wait and see. If the combination has a really nice feel to it, with magnets, springs, etc. and is solid, the pleasure of the combination could make up for other faults. Chen, yeah, I'm glad it got made. ;D I wonder what's coming up after Voltes. If Xabungle sells well, I'm 90% sure they'll release a Walker Galliar, and they *might* even do an Iron Gear, which would be really awesome, although there's no way it could be to actual scale with the other walker machines. Edit: Now you've gone and done it Chen, you hurt Mazinger Z's feelings.
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Post by Chen on May 24, 2005 14:17:22 GMT -5
Sorry Maz. I know your the pioneer but the heart wants what the heart wants
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Post by Kuro Kishi on May 24, 2005 15:47:05 GMT -5
Oh well Ataru,I do have good news,I saved up a bunch of my Super Robot insurance by switching to Geico.....and picking my 2 favorite robots,Voltes V!!!!! and ....MAZINGER Z!!!!;because they were the two super robots that made it into the Philippines and they're the reason why I'm into the Chogokin Hobby.
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Post by ataru on May 24, 2005 17:12:46 GMT -5
You're lucky CHOGOv9. I had Voltron and just a little Tranzor Z (weirdly dubbed Mazinger Z). I wish I could have grown up watching better stuff like Voltes V, although Voltron and the Voltron godaikin were my god and idol respectively. I'm also envious of other Americans that saw Starblazers, the Force Five Robotech as they were first showing. I've done a lot of catching up, though. My favorite robots are Mazinger Z and Great Mazinger by far. Overall I like Mazinger Z better but the Great Mazinger launch sequence gives me the shivers.
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Post by Kuro Kishi on May 24, 2005 17:35:52 GMT -5
Ataru,even though Voltes V is my favorite SR,I actually never watched the TV series,just told about it by a few friends who have seen it(mostly they're my dad's co-workers and they're all Filipino).Also don't forget I'm 14 years old so I'm not that exposed to a lot vintage stuff just yet.But like I said,I have to say V5 is my favorite just because he was the one that sucked me into this hobby.PLUS I LOVE THE OPENING THEME SONG!!!!However, I also chose Mazinger Z as my other favorite robot just because he was the one that started the Chogokin craze in the first place and without him(or Go Nagai-san),the gokins wouldn't exist or be as popular as they are now.Anyway Ataru,did you identify any firing gimmicks on the new blueprints of the SOC V5 on the other thread, and also, can you give me the name of the bird-like machine that goes on the back of V5?(PLEASE POST THESE ANSWERS ON THE OTHER THREAD(The voltes V confirmed thread),ATARU.THANK YOU
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