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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 7:57:03 GMT -5
Hello everyone! Well, I just started doing my SOC collection. So far: I have 2 Voltes V, Dancouga (R version), 2 Mazinkaisers (one by Max Factory and one by Aoshima), Godannar, and Voltron Masterpiece.
Well, my question is, there seemed to be a lot of hype on Grendizer and not much with Zambot 3 (correct me if I'm wrong), but are they really worth investing in them in the long run? I've seen the toys up close and personal and I must admit, there's not much to really go crazy about a couple of robot toys that doesn't have much "design" to show for... I mean, I hate to say it, but their design "sucks". Too old school for my taste, I guess. I don't know, I guess because I never grew up watching these two... then again, I never grew up watching Mazinkaiser either, but I was pleased with the way Mazinkaiser was designed and I really think it has the potential for a good investment in the long run, that's why I bought two... and that's why different companies keep making them.
I don't know... what's your take? And also, please give me some recommendations on what robot items I should consider. Also, does anybody have an update on a possible SOC "DAIMOS"? Thanks guys! I really appreciate it!
Derick
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Post by mannyD on Jun 22, 2006 8:08:54 GMT -5
depends on your priorities and objective dude. you can collect the classics, the modern, or both. chogokins are kinda expensive, tis better to have a plan before investing on them. goodluck bro
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Post by jwm on Jun 22, 2006 9:29:09 GMT -5
If you're collecting as an investment you got into the game about 28 years too late. Old Popy and Bullmark toys go for high dollars now because they were built for the toy (kids) market then. Because they were toys, most of them fell into the hands of young fans and were loved to extinction. There are very few of them left in pristine shape. Scarcity= dollar value. SOC issues and their Aoshima, or Max Factory counterparts are made for the collectors (adult) market. They aren't getting bashed around in the sandbox. There is a possibility that the craze for high end collectible toys will pass, and the manufacturers will stop making them. That possibility is what you're going to gamble on if you look at these pieces as an investment. It could happen. But you have to set your sights twenty to thirty years or more into the future. Bottom line- if you like a toy, buy it. If you want to invest in something there are better bets than toy robots.
JWM
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Post by andrewdsz on Jun 22, 2006 10:40:39 GMT -5
If you are thinking about investment, go somewhere else.SOCs re-issues all the time
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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 10:54:20 GMT -5
Well, as far as investing... of course I think they are a good investment in the long run. I mean I'll invest in them in the long run. Come on... we're not getting any younger now... There will be some point in our lives where we have to let go of something. Kind of like moving out of the old house and moving in to a new one. And plus, if you guys look online, a lot of these are going up , pricewise. At the same time, like some other people say, I'm trying to collect them now because I guess it's one of those things that'll make up for what I didn't have or what I missed when I was a kid. So you see, I'm just not here for investment. I'm also here to buy something that'll make my time with these toys worthwhile. Well, that's just me, I guess.
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Post by gx9901 on Jun 22, 2006 11:02:34 GMT -5
I've been contemplating the same question: Should I get SOC Grendizer and/or Zambot 3? I have no illusions whatsoever about any current toy's "investment" value, so this is purely from a collector's standpoint. Since I got my SOC Voltes (first SOC I bought 2 sets of), my interested in SOC has really increased a lot. I had about 10 SOC's already but do not have Grendizer or Zambot 3. I know Grendizer is highly regarded but I also prefer robots that can gattai. So if I were to track one of these down, which one should I get first? It does appear that the GX-04S set can be had for a lot cheaper than Zambot at this point. Thanks for any input.
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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 11:54:33 GMT -5
well, i guess you and i are on the same boat. i mean, you and i are new to this forum thingy... obviously, we're talking to those people who are way "die hard" chogokin fans... oh well.. nice to meet you bro!
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Post by Ben-Ohki on Jun 22, 2006 12:10:57 GMT -5
I can't speak for Zambot3, but I have a Grendizer ...he's worth the trouble because even the regular release without the add-on accessories came with tons of stuff in a big box including the flying saucer.
Some general rules: 1) don't ask about "design" - it's all up to you. I mean, to somebody else, Grendizer may be the ugliest mofo bot out there. I happen to be an old-school fan of Grendizer so to me, it's one of the best SoC available. Another example is how ugly I find GaiKing to be... so your mileage will definitely vary when you ask.
2) I wouldn't get too hung up on perceived value of an SoC. Bandai has a habit of reissuing GX series without warning. A few years ago I paid almost $400 for my GX-04 Grendizer and a GX-4X accessory set... and more recently Bandai reissued this set forcing eBay prices to take a dive. Like those other guys said, it'll be decades before you would think about selling SoC for a profit.
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Post by jwm on Jun 22, 2006 12:19:41 GMT -5
By the way, Welcome dricks2080, and gx9901!
I just got my V5 yesterday, and of course the newest toy is almost always the favorite toy. That notwithstanding, the Voltes is by far the finest thing that Bandai had done in the SOC line. The Zambot is one of those pieces that people either seem to love, or hate. I really like the piece. I put Zambot as a near second place to Voltes. Others here would disagree, and rate Dancouga above the Zambot. It's a matter of taste I guess. Zambot is very 70's, and Dancouga is very 80's. I'm an old fart, and I prefer the Zambot. It has the feel and style of the old school bots. I'm going to duck and run like hell after saying this, but Dancouga reminds me too much of a Transformer.
Grendaizer is another thing altogether. The GX04 is a dazzling shelf piece with the saucer and all the spazer machines. Before it got reissued people were paying ridiculous prices to get one- up to $400. US. But there is another point on the investment question. As pieces get scarce on ebay some issues will increase in price until it reaches silly extremes. People paid $400. to get a GX 04, and within weeks the reissue was going for less than half that price. Bottom line- as long as Bandai sees a chance to sell some toys they will issue re releases. Patience is the key.
JWM
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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 12:21:32 GMT -5
your'e right! like i said... this is more than just an invesment for me... i'll probably won't sell these for another 20-30 years... i'm just collecting these toys now because this is what was missing in my childhood years. i remember watching a lot of these animes and i never had the privieldge to have one of these toys. growing up and coming from a poor family, of course, you'll miss out on a lot of things... now that i'm independent and can support myself financially, i guess this is my opportunity to fill the void of what i missed when i was little. as far as design goes... yeah, i'm a little meticulous about certain things... i wanna be able to go into my house and see my collections and still be in awe because of how these were engineered to be brought into life, you know what i'm saying? so that's my take... i guess grendizer is not for me... though... i'm still yearning for bandai to come out with a SOC daimos version... can't wait for that!!!
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Post by zman on Jun 22, 2006 12:23:07 GMT -5
gx9901If you are more into the gattai robots then Zambot GX-23 would probably be it for you. Do you have Combattler GX-03? These 3 (V5, Combattler, Zamby) will go great side-by-side. Zambot is scarce right now though so price is high and there are no signs of re-issue yet.
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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 12:29:00 GMT -5
nah... i don't have combattler v yet... i don't know.. i opted not to get it and instead i went and bought dancouga instead... i don't i guess, not many people are happy with the cambattler v... like people are saying it can easily tipped over because of its small and weak feet and doesn't have the mass and dimensions like voltes v have. i like voltes v better... though they could've done better with the gimmicks and i just hope they'd come up with a set of hands tha you can manipulate any way you want rather than having multiple sets of hands... i'm just tired of plugging them in and out, that's all... i don't know man.... what other robots out there do you think i should consider?
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Post by gx9901 on Jun 22, 2006 12:48:14 GMT -5
gx9901If you are more into the gattai robots then Zambot GX-23 would probably be it for you. Do you have Combattler GX-03? These 3 (V5, Combattler, Zamby) will go great side-by-side. Zambot is scarce right now though so price is high and there are no signs of re-issue yet. Yeah, I got the recent Combattler re-issue after getting the Voltes. I had passed on Combattler for years but felt that I had to get it to go with Voltes V. I would say I'm a little more interested in Zambot than Grendizer, but Zambots are pretty scarce right now and priced a little high for my taste. The full Grendizer set, on the other hand, seem to be obtainable for basically the original retail price. Does anyone think Zambot 3 will be re-issued any time soon? I heard it tanked in Japan so perhaps there won't be demand for a re-issue for a while?
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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 12:51:44 GMT -5
it tanked because people are not finding it very appealing, i guess... i don't know... though i'm a bit surprised that a lot of people are buying it...
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Post by 00silvergt on Jun 22, 2006 13:21:59 GMT -5
Zambot worth buying? Questionable and debatable, very plasticky...Grendizer? MY GOD MAN, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? OF COURSE IT IS! lol
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Post by 00silvergt on Jun 22, 2006 13:25:13 GMT -5
Oh...shoot this is about investment, homie go see your "financial advisor" talk about a 401K or a Roth IRA or even get a 5 year CD. Maybe some Hedge funds, and some no-load IRA's. Get the picture, this is not a good investment. Take your money to the bank and take advantage of the compounded interest magic. But if you want to buy a toy for a lot of money and keep it as a toy...now das different.
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Post by ataru on Jun 22, 2006 13:31:15 GMT -5
The big problem with Zanbot was that all of the effort on the part of the designers was put into the zanbo ace. It made for one very nice zanbo ace, but that matters little compared to the combined form. The design itself is popular, but the SOC just wasn't good enough for the high price. It's a real shame that they didn't put it off until after Voltes. Bandai wouldn't have the balls to put out something like the the Zanbot they released after releasing something like the Voltes.
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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 13:39:10 GMT -5
i guess grendizer is better if i had to choose...
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Post by dricks2080 on Jun 22, 2006 13:41:19 GMT -5
hahaha!!! i already have those kind of accounts and portfolios set up.... well, i wouldn't dismiss that toy collecting is a bad investment.... just go on ebay and see for yourself...
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Post by 00silvergt on Jun 22, 2006 13:56:16 GMT -5
True, but I can tell you that it is cutthroat!
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