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Post by xiombarg on Feb 26, 2010 20:54:31 GMT -5
One of my biggest complaints with the way Bandai is handling some of the SOCs is this pseudo perfect transformation. I mean seriously, is anyone going to leave Aussenseiter in horse form without the attachments on? So why does Bandai even have this so called "perfect transformation" to begin with? If there is no way for Bandai to reasonably make a SOC into a real perfect transformation, they should just make it as a parts-former so it doesn't fall into the fiddly silliness where you have to tranform and then still attach the pieces. I mean, what's the point?
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Post by mechamasterj on Feb 26, 2010 23:25:31 GMT -5
agreed, i guess to fullfill those of us that love to just transform things. but honestly i dont know if anyone would prefer the iffy looking transformed joints over the non transformed ones. however thats not my biggest complaint, the biggest is the lack of articulation in both figures, especially dygen himself........why did they not allow verticle motion of the legs?? and why the stiffness of aussi? its like old school design meets new school............ these toys have a retro look too them because of thier lack of joints that could of been easily implemented if you as me especially for the price these guys cost.
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Post by Chen on Feb 27, 2010 14:18:07 GMT -5
It's because anal 30+ year old's will complain and sprout "What? ? I spent so and so much on a SOC and it's not perfect transformation?!?!? I can get that on a ten dollar Transformer". Plus people are confusing Perfect Transformation with Anime correctness, there very different concepts. Bandai is providing the fact that you have a toy engineered well enough that it can take a pretty much impossible Anime magic transformation and make it real or as close as technologically possible and also the option to just make it look like in the Anime which for the most part takes zero account of how possible it would be in the real world.
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Post by mechamasterj on Feb 28, 2010 20:18:17 GMT -5
well that makes sense.......... still wish that aussie didnt look like a lifeless brick.......... hes just so old school............ but he is really so damn awesome..
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Post by pascal on May 14, 2010 13:13:31 GMT -5
Finally got mine yesterday. Very cool set. I'm not bothering with the anime correct limbs and head and extra parts, the figures still look fine without them. Transformation is pretty cool too.
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Post by pascal on May 14, 2010 13:16:16 GMT -5
I mean seriously, is anyone going to leave Aussenseiter in horse form without the attachments on? Me. I've never seen the source material and don't care for it. Sure he looks fine with the attachments, but he also looks fine without them. Looks more mechanical.
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Post by Vendetta on Jun 7, 2010 18:05:22 GMT -5
I got the set a few days ago, and I'm very happy with the piece. i haven't messed with it since setting up the horse mode and posing them with the stand, but it makes for a really nice display piece. Highly recommended if you're interested the design, especially since HLJ has it on sale currently and is also offering free shipping if you pay via Paypal.
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 4, 2011 0:42:55 GMT -5
The power of an awesome anime (SRWOG The Inspectors) and the excellent reviews by Gold and JoshB of CollectionDX ( www.collectiondx.com/review/chogokin/dygenguar_aussenseiter ) just changed the mind of the most stubborn Super Robot fan ever... I just dropped $260 on my own GX-46!!! ;D Gosh I love that show!!! }D Hi all, here's the review for the Gx-46 Dygenguar and Aussenseiter set (sorry it took so long, between the long work hours and the hunt for TF2 movie toys, spare time was sparse. ). Please click on the thumbnails to view larger images. Please click on the video images to begin video playback. Super Robot Wars Original Generation : The Animation - Opening Box Trays Dygenguar (Stands for Dynamic General Guardian) Zankantou (nihontou mode) "Ware wa Zengâ Zonboruto, Aku wo tatsu tsurugi nari!" ("I am Sänger Zonvolt, the sword that smites evil!") Dygenguar also has the ability to shoot energy projectiles from the Zankantou "Zankantou: Denkousekka" I'm really impressed Dygenguar can do this pose, though I guess the pointy knee and foot helped Zankantou Daisharin Zankantou (broadsword mode) Dygenguar in action "Waga Zankantou ni tatenu mono nashi!" ("There is nothing my Colossal Blade cannot cut!") Dygenguar default weapons.In one battle Dygenguar loses his Zankantou, forcing Dygenguar to use only his default weapons. Guardian Sword Dynamic Knuckle General Blaster Aussenseiter (German for "outsider" or "Maverick") Optional hand for extra pose. Aussenseiter's pilot is Elzam von Branstein, but he also goes by the alias Rätsel Feinschmecker (which means "The Mysterious Gourmet") Aussenseiter's weapons. Schulter Platte (German for "shoulder plate" Aussenseiter throws his shoulder plates like a frisbee at his opponent) Elzam's family crest Lanze Kanone's fold out from Aussenseiter's back. Lanze Kanone (Lance cannon) Lanze Kanone W Sturm Angriff (Aussenseiter's final attack, means "charge" or "attacking wind"?) Okay... so apparently, the SOC Aussenseiter can't do the Sturm Angriff pose (where he shoots straight up into the air), due to mainly the cape getting in the way, so you have to remove the cape (just like in the game) and secondly the wrist joint is unable to hold the Lanze Kanone steadily so keep that in mind if you want to do the pose. Hehe, unfortunately, we never got to see the Aussenseiter or the Ikkitousen in animated form, it never appeared in the OVA or the TV series, only in the games. Aussenseiter and Dygenguar all attacks (this video is a bit long, not mine but from youtube) Aussenseiter's attacks (includes the Sturm Angriff) Super Robot Wars! Mechanical Data: Dygenguar Height: 55.4 Meters Weight: 142.7 Tons Aussenseiter: Height: 54.9 Meters Weight: 165.5 Tons So going by these scales, these fellas should roughly be about as big as Combattler, sadly that is not the case. "Tomoyo, ima koso ware wa no chikara miseru toki!"
"Sou Chin!!!"Aussenseiter in Pferd modeComparison with the Lanze Kanone legs (left) and properly proportioned legs (right). Head comparison With the default head and Lanze Kanones as legs Hmm.. not that impressive yet... With the proper head and the Lanze Kanones legs With the proper head and legs (much better!) "Jinba! ittai!!!"("The Blade and his horse are one!")[/size] Display base front view The little blue piece next to Dygenguar's optional face comes from Dygenguar's shoulders when you have to take it out to attach the capes' collar. Display base rear view Removable shoulder plate.... .... goes into the bottom of the display base for storage. The Good-Both Dygenguar and Aussenseiter stand roughly 7" tall -Dygenguar weighs roughly 300Grams, Aussenseiter weighs almost 500Grams with everything attached including the guns (I forgot to weigh the Ikki tousen mode though) -Decent amount of diecast spread out in Aussenseiter and Dygenguar(I was expecting severly minimal amounts at one point, glad to see I was wrong). -(Optional) Cape support for ikki tousen mode. -Clip on support for the Lanze Kanone, the peg fits into a hole in the Aussenseiter's shoulder to help keep the guns aimed straight. -Gotta love the way the swords were done. So darn shiny! The Bad-So it's not exactly a perfect transformer, this huge add-on part is for locking ankles and attaching horse's tail. -Scratches occur when you attach/detach the base. -Don't forget to plug in the cover piece for Dygenguar in Ikki tousen mode, otherwise the cape's going to be falling all over the place. -Capes are somewhat hard to fit into the slots and left-right parts can be confusing to distinguish at times -Dygenguar's shin guards tend to pop off easily, I guess it's better than it breaking off though. -The stirrups for the saddle are a pain to attach and I mean that in a literal way. Pressing the ball joints on these things into the saddle really hurt one's thumbs! -The Lanze Kanone guns are somewhat hard to pull apart at first, especially since the manual only illustrates it to be simple pegs, not so, they're actually more anchor-like, so some force is required. -Warning points! Watch out for these spots as I found the plastic here a bit thin and some force is required to shaft these parts out (possible points of breakage? I can't say for sure). These points at the rear skirt plate -This part isn't really thin but is still incredibly tight!!! You might have to put some effort into pulling it out to extend the legs, I have no idea if I pulled out the shaft enough since the manual doesn't really indicate how far out you have to pull out. -I can't seem to get this gimmick, the saddle's stirrups slot into the space in the middle of the foot (I think), so what are these locks for? -Huge paint chip. Sigh.. it was this way when I opened the toy. -The cape divided in 3 pieces kind of takes down the coolness factor a bit, I don't seem to recall Dygenguar's cape being in tatters in Ikki tousen mode. the same for Aussenseiter. -Ratchet joints limited only to Dygenguar's bicep and knee. The Ugly-The high price? This is the most expensive SOC set release so far. The lack of rachet joints might also be a problem especially for the Pferd mode's rear thighs(Aussenseiter's shoulders). If you're not careful in properly placing the set in the support stand's slots for the horse's rear legs, the horse's rear legs might slip and the whole set might come down.. so watchout for that. Overall, the negatives aren't too bad. The transformation isn't really that complex but it does involve some tight joints being moved, especially the thighs joints on Dygenguar. Overall, I like it, the Ikkitousen mode has impressive shelf presence. Individually, each robot looks really, really good too. Considering how this set could've gone horribly wrong(or worse, cancelled, like some of us were starting to worry) Bandai really pulled it off I think. Here's hoping they release SRX and the other core OG members. Lots more SRW OG funfacts and info from these sites: superrobotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sanger_Zonvoltsuperrobotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Elzam_V._Bransteinsrwog.velv.net/characters.htmlIkki Tousen - one spirit with the power of a thousand warriors (or... if we go by the Dynasty Warriors translation- "One warrior worth a thousand")Gold[/quote]
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Post by nikodiablo on Feb 4, 2011 4:09:19 GMT -5
I see you did... I had to bite the bullet as well and and get it at the same price after waiting for one year and the price would not go down ;D
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Post by TheMazingerZ on Feb 4, 2011 11:01:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I figured the price i paid was sort of reasonable since it is usually found at a much higher price. Also had to take into consideration that the model kit of these fellows will cost roughly about the same when it is all said and done. Bandai has to thank the new series plus members Gold and JoshB. Together they sold a very expensive toy to someone who would have nothing to do with SRWOG mecha designs.
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Post by gt3ian on Feb 4, 2011 11:21:23 GMT -5
Never too late to hunt down this SOC!!!
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Post by supergetterv on Feb 4, 2011 12:54:02 GMT -5
This set remains my favorite SOC set. Bias opinion because I like the SRW:OG series and the mechs from the series. And to think, I knew nothing of these characters and mechs prior to 2009. But first glance at Dygenguar and the ikki tousen pose with Aussenseiter in p'ferd mode was all I need to get interested.
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Post by Chen on Feb 4, 2011 14:08:53 GMT -5
Good buy plus I have a feeling that this won't get re-issued anytime soon. It was expensive when it came out and with the economy it is now and production costs rising, a very parts intensive figures like this would be even more expensive now to produce/sell.
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Post by gt3ian on Feb 4, 2011 15:47:38 GMT -5
Good buy plus I have a feeling that this won't get re-issued anytime soon. It was expensive when it came out and with the economy it is now and production costs rising, a very parts intensive figures like this would be even more expensive now to produce/sell. I agree with you Chen. I think GX-46 will barely hard to be reissue due to the price tag. Bandai is planning to make them in SRC version, then GX-46 will turn into history.
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Post by supergetterv on Feb 4, 2011 17:07:22 GMT -5
Dygenguar and aussenseiter will not be made in SRC form. A lot of confusion on this because the first promotion pictures that we got on the Super Robot Chogokin line of SRW:OG figures, we see Weisswritter, Cybaster, alteisen and the SRX team. Also in those pictures looks to be SRC Dygenguar and Aussenseiter, but if you look carefully, they aren't SRC, but SOC. I made that mistake myself but someone pointed it out andblew up a picture of the sign. If you look at those pics carefully and look at the name tage, it saids SOC-46.
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Post by gt3ian on Feb 4, 2011 17:29:30 GMT -5
Dygenguar and aussenseiter will not be made in SRC form. A lot of confusion on this because the first promotion pictures that we got on the Super Robot Chogokin line of SRW:OG figures, we see Weisswritter, Cybaster, alteisen and the SRX team. Also in those pictures looks to be SRC Dygenguar and Aussenseiter, but if you look carefully, they aren't SRC, but SOC. I made that mistake myself but someone pointed it out andblew up a picture of the sign. If you look at those pics carefully and look at the name tage, it saids SOC-46. Really!!?? Thx for the info!!
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Post by quinjester on Feb 4, 2011 17:31:28 GMT -5
The models they were showing were not the actual SOCs, though. They were definitely hand painted prototypes, and they looked smaller than them too - not to mention Aussenseiter was exhibiting a LOT more hip range than the SOC is capable of. It would seem awfully strange for Bandai to pull out old resin pre-production SOC prototypes (or make brand new ones) when they've got finished SOCs that they could use. Exhibit - above. Both placards have the Super Robot Chogokin logo on them, as well.
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Post by supergetterv on Feb 4, 2011 17:43:58 GMT -5
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Post by gt3ian on Feb 4, 2011 17:48:34 GMT -5
This is not a SOC. Sure, it is GX-46.
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Post by quinjester on Feb 4, 2011 17:53:02 GMT -5
Maybe they originally juggled the idea of doing SRC DGG's, and thus did up rough promo sculpts for them initially, but later dropped it as they didn't want to try and compete with the larger, fancier SOC release that they'd already put out.
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