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Post by ayakoholic on Jan 26, 2007 9:17:32 GMT -5
Just for the record, mag, "tokusatsu" literally translates to "special effects," and is the generic Japanese term for their live-action superhero/sci-fi series like Super Sentai, Kamen Rider, Ultraman, Garo, etc.
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Post by 00silvergt on Jan 26, 2007 16:54:19 GMT -5
Tanks for the translation. LOL But it is also understood that when you mention Tokusatsu or sometimes shortened to toku you are referring to SCI-FI Live action stuff.
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Post by dme3o on Jan 26, 2007 17:42:08 GMT -5
he did mention that 00silvergt, i think his post was more geared to the unfamiliars...
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Post by magengar on Jan 26, 2007 22:05:24 GMT -5
Cool! Yeah; Thanks for the translation, bro! IMO, I think stuff like that are what draws fans: Not just the live-action hero alone, but all the dramatics and dynamics which occur when one or more humans transform into something else (cyborg, robot, monster, object, mystic force, whatever). Folks remember these types of shows best, for the character's "signature trademark" transformation effect; like when Ken (Mark) raises his watch to transform into Gatchaman #1; Ultraman raising his crystal to transform into, and so forth... then the weapons they use for fighting/defeating the enemy; as seen in Goranger, with their soccerball (later in that series they switched to a football). When I hear "Kamen Rider" I immediately think of the bug-helmets and the cool bikes they ride. Stuff like that. ;D zozo-Magengar Just for the record, mag, "tokusatsu" literally translates to "special effects," and is the generic Japanese term for their live-action superhero/sci-fi series like Super Sentai, Kamen Rider, Ultraman, Garo, etc. ^_^ |
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Post by magengar on Jan 26, 2007 22:14:46 GMT -5
It would be cool to see a toku based on a deck of cards:
a team of four humans, each transforming into
Ace, King, Queen, Jack...
(They don't necessarliy have to wear armor or transform into
robots... but at least wear sleek high-tech suits or tuxedos)
...their powers would stem from whatever card they draw
against an enemy opponent....
The enemy opponent would be defeated by their
highest hand drawn. ;D
"Kasinoman Spade", heheh
zozo-Magengar
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Post by ayakoholic on Jan 27, 2007 12:04:47 GMT -5
Well, the second sentai series was JAQK Dengekitai, but while they were card-themed, they got their power from different forms of energy.
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Post by Falconhood on Jan 28, 2007 6:08:31 GMT -5
I think the problem with another forum is that they'll need a mod or some mods to watch over it. Adding a Toku forum may confuse some members or I think just of the sake of good housekeeping it is better to keep it simple. However, as Gort and I have observed, many RJ fans are not really toku fansI think the 8 or 9 folks who have voted are probably the bulk of the toku fans here. Which is unfortunate since it seems a bit narrow minded to keep ones focus on only one of the great Japanese entertainment facets available. I have no doubt in my mind that, had many of our members were more exposed to KR, Ultraman and Sentai, they would be instantly dragged in. Afterall, there is nothing more exciting than real people after all, rather than celluloid. Also, I think most of the sentai interest here is focused more on the Robot combining aspect of sentai, rather than the actual sentai show, plot twists and intrigue. I guess he was right in saying this is called Robot Japan. However, this is somewhat disappointing for I have come to know a few members here and for the most part this feels like home rather than exploring another board in order to fill my pangs for Toku talk. I do, like Gort still agree that if the name of this forum was to change to something more inviting for toku fans, it will eventually invite more toku fans to whet their appetite for toku talk as they become more engulfed in the fascination of toku. hmmm...but, and don't get me wrong, i LOVE Kamen Rider..How is Kamen Rider ROBOT related? Sazer-X yes, but not all Tokusatsu is ROBOT related: Kamen Rider, Garo, Guyver, Ultraman, ....they are all great, and i love them all, but are they trully ROBOT related? |
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Post by Rancemeister on Jan 28, 2007 7:07:06 GMT -5
I think the problem with another forum is that they'll need a mod or some mods to watch over it. Adding a Toku forum may confuse some members or I think just of the sake of good housekeeping it is better to keep it simple. However, as Gort and I have observed, many RJ fans are not really toku fansI think the 8 or 9 folks who have voted are probably the bulk of the toku fans here. Which is unfortunate since it seems a bit narrow minded to keep ones focus on only one of the great Japanese entertainment facets available. I have no doubt in my mind that, had many of our members were more exposed to KR, Ultraman and Sentai, they would be instantly dragged in. Afterall, there is nothing more exciting than real people after all, rather than celluloid. Also, I think most of the sentai interest here is focused more on the Robot combining aspect of sentai, rather than the actual sentai show, plot twists and intrigue. I guess he was right in saying this is called Robot Japan. However, this is somewhat disappointing for I have come to know a few members here and for the most part this feels like home rather than exploring another board in order to fill my pangs for Toku talk. I do, like Gort still agree that if the name of this forum was to change to something more inviting for toku fans, it will eventually invite more toku fans to whet their appetite for toku talk as they become more engulfed in the fascination of toku. hmmm...but, and don't get me wrong, i LOVE Kamen Rider..How is Kamen Rider ROBOT related? Sazer-X yes, but not all Tokusatsu is ROBOT related: Kamen Rider, Garo, Guyver, Ultraman, ....they are all great, and i love them all, but are they trully ROBOT related? But to be fair, even though the name of this site is " Robot Japan, I always considered this more of a toy (specifically Japanese toy) forum. We certainly have many posts covering toys those series you mentioned, not to mention other lines that's definitely are not robot , tokusatsu or even Japanese related.... |
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Post by magengar on Jan 28, 2007 7:11:49 GMT -5
"Robot related"... I guess that depends on the character/series.
I remember when the PowerRangers was making their US debut,
the first coupla episodes, I thought it would be like the Goranger
series: just another sentai team with vehicles and personal weapons...
...I got sucker-punched when they went from "typical sentai team"
to "sentai team with giant interchangeable robots".
zozo-Magengar
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Post by ayakoholic on Jan 28, 2007 9:21:15 GMT -5
I'm with Rance. Not all the toys we talk about here are robot-related. And if you want to get technical, Faiz had a couple of transforming robot bikes and Den-O's going to have the Denliner, so I think that's close enough!  Mag, actually, the typical sentai team has had giant robots since Battle Fever J... and giant combining robots since Sunvulcan... and giant interchangeable robots since... well, actually, I guess Zyu/MMPR *was* the first series to swap out core bots for a combiner. |
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Post by dme3o on Jan 28, 2007 14:26:54 GMT -5
Ok, Kamen Riders are mostly CYBORGS. Especially the older ones. The newer ones like ayakoholic said have vehicles that turn into bots, etc. So they are in a sense related.
The others, I agree are out of the "robot-related" pic. But it is still in the efforts of tying in the Japanese Culture of Robots and Toku related creations. So I think it's still a worthy cause.
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Post by Falconhood on Jan 28, 2007 21:51:53 GMT -5
hmmm...but, and don't get me wrong, i LOVE Kamen Rider..How is Kamen Rider ROBOT related? Sazer-X yes, but not all Tokusatsu is ROBOT related: Kamen Rider, Garo, Guyver, Ultraman, ....they are all great, and i love them all, but are they trully ROBOT related? But to be fair, even though the name of this site is " Robot Japan, I always considered this more of a toy (specifically Japanese toy) forum. We certainly have many posts covering toys those series you mentioned, not to mention other lines that's definitely are not robot , tokusatsu or even Japanese related.... i am not at all against Tokusatsu, i love it. I just hope we don't broaden the topix to all Japanese toys: i would HATE to see Hello Kitty, cute gashapon minis, Jenny and etc. here. i always wish that Hyper Hobby didn't waste pages on that stuff. |
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Post by magengar on Jan 29, 2007 2:35:19 GMT -5
I don't mean to throw off topic... but... waaazup with "Starman" ? (No, Not the US Disney regect) ...aka, " Suppa Jaianto" from the '50s- some footage from his series became "Evil Brain From Outer Space". He ROCKS!!!  Wished I had some pics off-hand, I'd have to dig thru my old dvd burn collection to find the movie so I can grab screenies. He's humanoid, an "e.t" (neither robot, nor cyborg), and looks like an adult "Prince Planet" (same costume and head-piece). In the movie I have: he battles a weird gargoyle-ey lookin monster; and a flame-throwin demonoid witch with a pointy nose, really long bad hair, funky clothes, and fugly-lookin Lee Press-On Nails! ;D What category would Suppa Jaianto fall into? zozo-Magengar |
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Post by ayakoholic on Jan 29, 2007 10:09:33 GMT -5
If it's live-action, that's Tokusatsu.
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Post by 00silvergt on Jan 29, 2007 14:42:19 GMT -5
LOL Unless it is a drama. Live action with space, laser beams or a hero(es) that transforms...it is toku.
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Post by dme3o on Jan 29, 2007 15:02:21 GMT -5
So is Robocon considered Cutesy Hello Kitty Toku? Or in with the General Toku definition?
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Post by 00silvergt on Jan 29, 2007 16:30:50 GMT -5
Robocon is considered Toku. He's a robot with a mechanical heart, I agree it is more a cutesy and kiddy and funny show, but it has special effects, so it is Toku. ;D
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Post by dme3o on Jan 29, 2007 16:39:19 GMT -5
Here's something you guys can maybe help me with.
I am pretty sure there was a live action GETTA ROBO back in the day...I also distinctly remember an old POPY BOX for a diecast toy of Getta Robo that had the live action Getta 1 for the box art.
Does anyone remember this one?
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Post by magengar on Jan 30, 2007 1:49:01 GMT -5
The Suppa Jaianto series is a classic live-action series from the '50s... from which the tv movie "Evil Brain From Outer Space" was made a couple years later. The human hero dude transforms into Suppa Jaianto (aka "Starman") with superhuman strength. He doesn't shoot any lasers from his body or anything such, nor does he grow into a colossal giant; he just physically fights the enemy monsters until he defeats them. Again, this was in the 1950s. zozo-Magengar If it's live-action, that's Tokusatsu. |
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Post by 00silvergt on Jan 30, 2007 19:18:11 GMT -5
But Starman suggest stars, meaning Science it's a work of fiction hence it is toku. LOL 50's?? Dude, um doesn't that date you? LOL Just kidding, homie.
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