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Post by FixedInPost on Feb 17, 2017 15:36:18 GMT -5
I think it's more of just a heads up to people who may not realize the potential risk involved with a purchase like this. It all seems a bit shady and $300+ is a bit much to gamble with. People use this board to try an make an informed purchase and this is all useful info.
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Post by faelon on Feb 17, 2017 15:41:12 GMT -5
Really? Because I watched interest spike as soon as Mad Toys announced their new licensed V2 last year. Before the Bandai reveal. It seemed to bring a lot of Collector interest that had previously dismissed it as a bootleg. Yeah a lot of the hardcore character collectors don't care about it provenance. But a lot of others can be picky.
But I'll stop ranting now. I've said my piece. I've told everybody that from knowing how the backend business actually works, the things Mad Toys and later Icarus were saying could not possibly be true. I now know to my own satisfaction that they were deliberate and intentional lies. As you say it doesn't reflect on the robot itself, just the people making and selling it. At this point Caveat Emptor. You are informed consumers free to make your own decisions. Hopefully the QC gods smile on you.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Feb 17, 2017 17:07:47 GMT -5
I think it's more of just a heads up to people who may not realize the potential risk involved with a purchase like this. It all seems a bit shady and $300+ is a bit much to gamble with. People use this board to try an make an informed purchase and this is all useful info. The point is that it feels like it's went way past heads up and has delved towards ad nausea. It's either licensed or it isn't, and that's been more than pointed out at this stage. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 17, 2017 18:06:24 GMT -5
still faelon that email was from someone official working with WEP so its still a sign of WEP talking to them, also the V2 KOB was announced ages before either the SOC or the Playmates and how come the Land Rover case no longer applies ? the case is still open till today, and if a company as big as Land Rover cant win, im sure WEP wont China didn't sign that copyrights law, i forget its name the law that protect copyrights around the world, so they are free to do anything they want what i think is, MT jumped and went with the production with the WEP logo on the boxes however WEP just ignored them, so they dont want to lose money and redesign the boxes, so they just release it as its simple as that, remember back then they said the production is done and all they are waiting for is the license dont remind me man, the thing at the post office was a mistake by morons who likes been yelled at ,the law in here say if it for personal use then no custom or what so ever, (you will like this part) EVEN if its a counterfeit goods  like i said at the end the figure will be out licensed or not and people are going to buy end of story and honesty i dont care about WEP as Voltron fans what did they gives us ? thanks to them we got Voltron very late GX-71 thanks to them Toynami milked a mold that full of QCs for 10 long years, they just started to make things going because they were pushed by MT |
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Post by faelon on Feb 17, 2017 21:09:54 GMT -5
still faelon that email was from someone official working with WEP so its still a sign of WEP talking to them, also the V2 KOB was announced ages before either the SOC or the Playmates and how come the Land Rover case no longer applies ? the case is still open till today, and if a company as big as Land Rover cant win, im sure WEP wont China didn't sign that copyrights law, i forget its name the law that protect copyrights around the world, so they are free to do anything they want what i think is, MT jumped and went with the production with the WEP logo on the boxes however WEP just ignored them, so they dont want to lose money and redesign the boxes, so they just release it as its simple as that, remember back then they said the production is done and all they are waiting for is the license dont remind me man, the thing at the post office was a mistake by morons who likes been yelled at ,the law in here say if it for personal use then no custom or what so ever, (you will like this part) EVEN if its a counterfeit goods like i said at the end the figure will be out licensed or not and people are going to buy end of story and honesty i dont care about WEP as Voltron fans what did they gives us ? thanks to them we got Voltron very late GX-71 thanks to them Toynami milked a mold that full of QCs for 10 long years, they just started to make things going because they were pushed by MT /Sigh! One last time (Sorry Kuma I promise to stop after this) It still doesn't sink in that pretty much every communication from MT or Icarus that was not a picture of the robot, was in fact a lie? At best they spoke to people who did not own Voltron about licensing Voltron. And that's being generous. The Land Rover case was a case of Copyright Infringement. Icarus has now infringed on the Trademark. It's a huge difference. It no longer matters what is in the box or what the robot looks like. WEP does not have to prove any similarities. All they need do is submit an affidavit to customs that KOB is not their authorized product and fraudulently bears their markings. It won't do anything about distribution and sales in Asia, but it can be a huge problem in the US Europe Japan and Korea. Further in the US Copyright is strictly a civil matter and Federal Law Enforcement generally will not get involved. Misuse of Trademark will trigger the Fed's to investigate. You can't innocently jump the gun on the production of the Trademark logos. It (/sigh Once Again) doesn't work that way. How you do it is specifically laid out in the individual License Contract. That is where you get the full text that must appear and explicit instructions on how and where it is to be placed. If you don't have the papers in hand you don't know what the requirements are to properly place them. You don't print until you receive those instructions. Also the boxes were printed for Icarus who was a more recent player in all of this. So MT was likely well out of it by then. You can also tell that it was a fairly recent addition as the WEP trademark shown on the KOB Black Lion box is a point for point cut and paste from the Bandai GX-71 box. Which was a pretty recent reveal. Further the trademark printed on the KOB box is wrong for who they were supposedly talking to about licensing. Those e-mails that Mad Toys showed off to claim they were getting a license were with Dreamwork's Licensing and Merchandising division. If that was the case then the Trademarks on the box would look like this. Which is not what appears on the KOB box.  Yeah yeah I know, "stop confusing us with facts! We want our robot no matter how we get it!" /sigh (and yeah I know I can get worked up on this. I have sat in the chair of Tiffany from WEP. I know how horrifying it is to find your products being bootlegged or counterfeited.) As Kuma rightfully points out none of this has anything to do with the robot in the box. All it shows is that the manufacturers have not been playing straight with the consumers up to this point. I'm actually really fascinated for someone to get one in hand in order to find out if it has maintained quality through the byzantine and frankly insane activities of the producers. This thing has got to be a labor of love. Because only people deeply in love with something can be this stupid or reckless in trying to bring it to market. As an example that WEP Trademark statement on the bottom of the box. I know to S Gokin that seems trivial. It's not. If they had just released it in the original box it would be a borderline Bootleg. WEP could C&D them (not really any use because China!) And try and prove the similarities if they could ever get them in front of a court that would listen. That's about it. About the worst MT or Icarus would face would be getting cut off from the major merchants as they wouldn't want to piss off Bandai. Basically what they had with V1. But by putting that Trademark on there? WEP can have product seized. No court intervention needed. Icarus essentially legally admitted that it is infringing product right on the front of the box. They can have spotters walking the floor at toy shows to seize product. They can take down E-Bay auctions. They can come knocking at stores. WEP can landfill any KOB's they find. All because they put that simple line of text on the box. If this seems stupid or insane, it's because it is! Why would you do that? (and yes those simple Marks are that big of a deal.) OK enough with the Licensing Lessons. |
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Post by evanrue on Feb 18, 2017 6:21:13 GMT -5
Licensing and quality of a product are two different things. Related, but can be discussed separately. No one's denying that the KoB v1 is a labor of love and of high quality. But collectors do have a reason to worry when the v2 has gone thru company changes and such. There's no real review of the v2 yet. As with the Toynami Ultimate Ex before it was released, I wouldn't judge the product until one is being reviewed. And just like the Ex where people are wary of the quality because it's released by Toynami, so do I think people are wary of KoB v2 because of the company change issue.
Also, I think respect is due in any discussion,and that includes contribution from experts in their own area. They've given their say, and those opinion are good for us to make a much more informed decision.
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 18, 2017 9:16:03 GMT -5
ok this is will be my last post regarding something irrelevant to the actual figure as well, however i would be happy if you want to discuses this matter further else where so we dont spam the thread basically what you are saying is that, MT will be in ton of troubles after putting WEP logo on the box EVEN after WEP said "it sad they will get away with it" ? ok good luck with that companies with a fleet of suits couldn't win against Chinese manufacturers, the best example i could give you to a similar case is LG bluetooth headset TONE, markets where and still flooded with a perfect knockoffs copies with LG logo on them and even a copy of the warranty, till today LG couldn't not stop them and with every new model there is a new knockoff |
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Post by faelon on Feb 18, 2017 10:02:26 GMT -5
ok this is will be my last post regarding something irrelevant to the actual figure as well, however i would be happy if you want to discuses this matter further else where so we dont spam the thread basically what you are saying is that, MT will be in ton of troubles after putting WEP logo on the box EVEN after WEP said "it sad they will get away with it" ? ok good luck with that companies with a fleet of suits couldn't win against Chinese manufacturers, the best example i could give you to a similar case is LG bluetooth headset TONE, markets where and still flooded with a perfect knockoffs copies with LG logo on them and even a copy of the warranty, till today LG couldn't not stop them and with every new model there is a new knockoff I'm not sure that WEP was aware of the printed trademark when I communicated with her? And trouble is relative. Can WEP completely shut down the Chinese made product and stop its distribution? No. It's going to get out there. But Icarus just gave them a weapon that they normally don't get. Will it stop them? Of course not. It does rather limit them though. The other problem is the makers of those LG phones are hard to identify. Icarus and MT. Not so much. Before the Trademark got printed it would be a ton of legal hassle to even vaguely annoy them in the West. After it, it's an hours worth of paperwork. |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Feb 18, 2017 10:53:18 GMT -5
Is anyone here actually buying this?
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Post by rx79msg on Feb 18, 2017 11:06:04 GMT -5
Is anyone here actually buying this? Nope. Not a big fan of the design. I find it lacking in certain areas and a too much of a departure from what Voltron is. Soul of Chogokin Voltron is the definitive modern take on Voltron and I am very happy with it. |
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Post by reVolVer on Feb 18, 2017 13:19:59 GMT -5
Is anyone here actually buying this? Ofcourse there is... mostly Voltron/ Golion collectors.. or those who have funds to buy more.. but for those that only one is enough.. more than likely theyll go with bandai.. |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Feb 18, 2017 13:39:13 GMT -5
Is anyone here actually buying this? Ofcourse there is... mostly Voltron/ Golion collectors.. or those who have funds to buy more.. but for those that only one is enough.. more than likely theyll go with bandai.. ... I was asking if anyone "here" as in posting in this thread, would be purchasing this... |
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Post by evanrue on Feb 18, 2017 18:41:32 GMT -5
I'm not getting it simply because it's too "near" design-wise to the SoC. If the SoC didn't exist, I would have gotten v2 KoB. But, the SoC is now in my hands.
By "near" I meant it's not too different from the SoC like say the EX is to the SoC. Design wise (notwithstanding quality or price), I personally think the EX represents the alternate Voltron look more.
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Post by vgm on Feb 18, 2017 19:12:03 GMT -5
Im still waiting to get my black version. Anyone know a ETA?
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Post by Paik4Life on Feb 18, 2017 21:36:56 GMT -5
I have the regular version preordered. Latest on their FB said April for regular release.
~Paik
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Post by Gold on Feb 19, 2017 1:43:33 GMT -5
I'll probably get the regular, skipping on the black version.  Gold |
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 19, 2017 7:36:04 GMT -5
Im still waiting to get my black version. Anyone know a ETA? according to AE it will be out on May 2017 |
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Post by S_Gokin on Mar 3, 2017 7:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by vgm on Mar 3, 2017 22:57:19 GMT -5
Im still waiting to get my black version. Anyone know a ETA? according to AE it will be out on May 2017 Thank you~ I didnt know AE had it for preorder. I think I will cancel mine with LCM and go with Angolz since its a lot cheaper. I have asked him if he would price match...let see. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Mar 4, 2017 8:37:23 GMT -5
Thank you~ I didnt know AE had it for preorder. I think I will cancel mine with LCM and go with Angolz since its a lot cheaper. I have asked him if he would price match...let see. you are welcome i guess more stores will have it on preorder with time |
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