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Post by framigoiou on Mar 14, 2017 9:24:50 GMT -5
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Post by anubis20 on Mar 15, 2017 9:01:09 GMT -5
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Post by S_Gokin on Mar 15, 2017 9:46:57 GMT -5
my guess was right, more store have it on preorder now
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Post by BIGFIRE on Mar 15, 2017 12:11:26 GMT -5
I didn't expect to see it on BBTS. Pretty cool.
I'm sticking with LCM because shipping was included for me and the price was cheaper than BBTS.
I'm happy to see it offered in more places though. Now we just need see that was was improved from V1 and they may have a winner on their hands even it won't match GX-71 numbers.
Variety looks great in the case!!
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Post by crpdiablos on Mar 15, 2017 22:34:20 GMT -5
I'm with kumastyle here this thing just gets shadier and shadier how was there a pre-order now we've been waiting for orders, orders to come in not pre-orders every time I come to this forum that look at this topic it upsets me because I like I say every time I've spent a bunch of money with this company every robot I bought which was three of them broke major breakages no product support I'm left with 3 broken $300 toys so that's almost $1,000 after shipping over 1,000 and toys of which I've had to make repairs to every one of them just to get one complete. two of them that can't be assembled at all because it's got one or more completely broken lion. so I have to do major repairs go to a CNC shop have somebody custom machine joints legs things of that nature because there's so badly damaged and poorly engineered and I didn't even display them it came out of the box like that. Every part that broke was like that when it arrived. Like i said i had the first one come in with 2 broken lions which they replaced when i said i would buy 2 more sets and tgey could send the replacement parts to avoid shipping charges. The 2nd improved versions both had tge aame res lion broken waist broken feet that fell right off the black lion out of the box and complete silence when i askes for a replacement or refund. Their business as miracle productions is not a theory. I love their excuse of no its not the same comonay just some guys from this comoany wnet and created mad toys sontotally differnt. So if i change my screen name am i a totLly differnt guy. Come on. This comoany treats its customers like a bunch of loser drug addicts that they sit there and to our faces say"Youll be back for more its doesnt matter how much cut we put in your stuff you jones for it like monkeys begging for banannas""we can build a pile of doodoo and as long as your favorite robots name is on it youll buy iy, youll go into debt, youll sell your home your kids and your soul for it. It doesnt matter how well or poorly made youll get one because you have no willpower to say no to it and we know it and even say thT we do. Youve alreday boughy out our preorder and were laughing becauae orders should be shipping..fools.toy addicted fools.btw bi refunds al sales are final pre order will go on preorder orser after this first run if 2nd run preorders sells out our first preorders improved versionws box witg upgraded sticker so you kniw yiu have preordered an improved sticker witg every bix of preordered improved stickered box tht you order. Order now before our third and final preorder sells out and actual orders come uo for sale at half price. Hiky crap Dave FN oaks what are the chances that hes here right now talking bout gokins with us under an assumed name!!my intuiton is peaking. Hes here pretending to be someone else. I know exactky who he is too. I have a gift and simetimes its fun like now but i spent 2 yrs witg nightly dreams if my wife leaving me and in detail who, where when why and how it would egfect my life for yrs and it Ll happened exactly as i dreamed even where we moved to which is where we split up. Okay just add stories hi Dave how you doing buddy I know you're here cover's blown I wont say though Who You or that the story of you neve paying for your vwhicle voltrons and taking off with their money and toys is the biggest lie ive ever heard a company claim. Oh my god if this isnt enough in your fave truth of how this company operates then well paja pa ja pa ja. Slee sleel sleeping clothes . Brdlde brldeed thats all folks. Duh duh duhn du dun duh ah
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Post by crpdiablos on Mar 15, 2017 22:40:37 GMT -5
Sorry for bad spelling tinu little hand on a tiny keyboard. AND NO IM NOT DRUNK
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Post by faelon on Mar 15, 2017 22:49:45 GMT -5
I'm with kumastyle here this thing just gets shadier and shadier how was there a pre-order now we've been waiting for orders, orders to come in not pre-orders every time I come to this forum that look at this topic it upsets me because I like I say every time I've spent a bunch of money with this company every robot I bought which was three of them broke major breakages no product support I'm left with 3 broken $300 toys so that's almost $1,000 after shipping over 1,000 and toys of which I've had to make repairs to every one of them just to get one complete. two of them that can't be assembled at all because it's got one or more completely broken lion. so I have to do major repairs go to a CNC shop have somebody custom machine joints legs things of that nature because there's so badly damaged and poorly engineered and I didn't even display them it came out of the box like that. Every part that broke was like that when it arrived. Like i said i had the first one come in with 2 broken lions which they replaced when i said i would buy 2 more sets and tgey could send the replacement parts to avoid shipping charges. The 2nd improved versions both had tge aame res lion broken waist broken feet that fell right off the black lion out of the box and complete silence when i askes for a replacement or refund. Their business as miracle productions is not a theory. I love their excuse of no its not the same comonay just some guys from this comoany wnet and created mad toys sontotally differnt. So if i change my screen name am i a totLly differnt guy. Come on. This comoany treats its customers like a bunch of loser drug addicts that they sit there and to our faces say"Youll be back for more its doesnt matter how much cut we put in your stuff you jones for it like monkeys begging for banannas""we can build a pile of doodoo and as long as your favorite robots name is on it youll buy iy, youll go into debt, youll sell your home your kids and your soul for it. It doesnt matter how well or poorly made youll get one because you have no willpower to say no to it and we know it and even say thT we do. Youve alreday boughy out our preorder and were laughing becauae orders should be shipping..fools.toy addicted fools.btw bi refunds al sales are final pre order will go on preorder orser after this first run if 2nd run preorders sells out our first preorders improved versionws box witg upgraded sticker so you kniw yiu have preordered an improved sticker witg every bix of preordered improved stickered box tht you order. Order now before our third and final preorder sells out and actual orders come uo for sale at half price. Hiky crap Dave FN oaks what are the chances that hes here right now talking bout gokins with us under an assumed name!!my intuiton is peaking. Hes here pretending to be someone else. I know exactky who he is too. I have a gift and simetimes its fun like now but i spent 2 yrs witg nightly dreams if my wife leaving me and in detail who, where when why and how it would egfect my life for yrs and it Ll happened exactly as i dreamed even where we moved to which is where we split up. Okay just add stories hi Dave how you doing buddy I know you're here cover's blown I wont say though Who You or that the story of you neve paying for your vwhicle voltrons and taking off with their money and toys is the biggest lie ive ever heard a company claim. Oh my god if this isnt enough in your fave truth of how this company operates then well paja pa ja pa ja. Slee sleel sleeping clothes . Brdlde brldeed thats all folks. Duh duh duhn du dun duh ah Wha?  OK I almost followed some of that... and it does ask a legit question, somewhere amidst the madness. Icarus Toys is putting out a new line with Miracle Productions. The Getter Arc is the first. I assume Miracle is the designer and Icarus the manufacturer/distributer? Is Miracle the same folks that were Miracle Metals? The Vehicle Voltron crew? Not that that has anything to do with KoB, which would seem to be tooling, designs and product that Icarus picked up from Madtoys, or passed through a few hands in reaching them. |
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 16, 2017 0:01:39 GMT -5
I'm with kumastyle here this thing just gets shadier and shadier how was there a pre-order now we've been waiting for orders, orders to come in not pre-orders every time I come to this forum that look at this topic it upsets me because I like I say every time I've spent a bunch of money with this company every robot I bought which was three of them broke major breakages no product support I'm left with 3 broken $300 toys so that's almost $1,000 after shipping over 1,000 and toys of which I've had to make repairs to every one of them just to get one complete. two of them that can't be assembled at all because it's got one or more completely broken lion. so I have to do major repairs go to a CNC shop have somebody custom machine joints legs things of that nature because there's so badly damaged and poorly engineered and I didn't even display them it came out of the box like that. Every part that broke was like that when it arrived. Like i said i had the first one come in with 2 broken lions which they replaced when i said i would buy 2 more sets and tgey could send the replacement parts to avoid shipping charges. The 2nd improved versions both had tge aame res lion broken waist broken feet that fell right off the black lion out of the box and complete silence when i askes for a replacement or refund. Their business as miracle productions is not a theory. I love their excuse of no its not the same comonay just some guys from this comoany wnet and created mad toys sontotally differnt. So if i change my screen name am i a totLly differnt guy. Come on. This comoany treats its customers like a bunch of loser drug addicts that they sit there and to our faces say"Youll be back for more its doesnt matter how much cut we put in your stuff you jones for it like monkeys begging for banannas""we can build a pile of doodoo and as long as your favorite robots name is on it youll buy iy, youll go into debt, youll sell your home your kids and your soul for it. It doesnt matter how well or poorly made youll get one because you have no willpower to say no to it and we know it and even say thT we do. Youve alreday boughy out our preorder and were laughing becauae orders should be shipping..fools.toy addicted fools.btw bi refunds al sales are final pre order will go on preorder orser after this first run if 2nd run preorders sells out our first preorders improved versionws box witg upgraded sticker so you kniw yiu have preordered an improved sticker witg every bix of preordered improved stickered box tht you order. Order now before our third and final preorder sells out and actual orders come uo for sale at half price. Hiky crap Dave FN oaks what are the chances that hes here right now talking bout gokins with us under an assumed name!!my intuiton is peaking. Hes here pretending to be someone else. I know exactky who he is too. I have a gift and simetimes its fun like now but i spent 2 yrs witg nightly dreams if my wife leaving me and in detail who, where when why and how it would egfect my life for yrs and it Ll happened exactly as i dreamed even where we moved to which is where we split up. Okay just add stories hi Dave how you doing buddy I know you're here cover's blown I wont say though Who You or that the story of you neve paying for your vwhicle voltrons and taking off with their money and toys is the biggest lie ive ever heard a company claim. Oh my god if this isnt enough in your fave truth of how this company operates then well paja pa ja pa ja. Slee sleel sleeping clothes . Brdlde brldeed thats all folks. Duh duh duhn du dun duh ah EXACTLY! It's like they're literally releasing betas and jumping to a new company for each one. I will say though that on my v 1 second run it came with non-working lights on the Black Lion canons and they were good about getting them replaced. I do question why though you kept buying more sets instead of just asking for the replacement parts straight out? |
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Post by faelon on Mar 16, 2017 9:46:46 GMT -5
Not so much Beta as poor or random production controls and QC at least for KOB V1. Releasing a Beta or Preproduction test run as Product is pretty clearly what went on with MMVV V1.
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Post by KumaStyle.com (TJ) on Mar 16, 2017 17:00:18 GMT -5
be·ta test
noun
1.
a trial of machinery, software, or other products, in the final stages of its development, carried out by a party unconnected with its development.
As stated before, I feel that we have been used as beta testers. I stand by this.
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Anyways, has anyone had any actual contact with this company?
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Post by framigoiou on Mar 21, 2017 7:16:58 GMT -5
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Post by S_Gokin on Mar 21, 2017 10:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by faelon on Mar 21, 2017 22:58:15 GMT -5
Just a gentle reminder to anybody pre-ordering this guy. Please use a bit more caution than normal. If you notice BBTS pulled the pre-orders and listing. (Yes S_Gokin's link still leads to a "Sold Out" Page. That's just how they lock it. There are no more search links on BBTS that will get you there.) As I mentioned in earlier posts those Trademark markings mean this one could have more customs issues than the typical 3party or simply unlicensed stuff. If you are going to order one, make sure you know your payment services policies. Try not to have to prepay, and whatever you do, do not let anything you have paid for go past your payment services dispute period. I'm honestly not sure how Paypal treats "Seized by customs" issues and I don't think any of us really want to find out. Buy what you like, but do please make sure you don't get burned if things go bad. I keep looking at what poor Chogokinabdul is going through with his GX-71 going missing in Turkey, from a reasonably reputable dealer.
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Post by BIGFIRE on Mar 21, 2017 23:35:22 GMT -5
Interesting points. I ordered one from LCM Toys so I think I will contact him. I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.
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Post by S_Gokin on Mar 22, 2017 10:47:25 GMT -5
ah i didnt post the BBTS link tho man  i only posted AE and Angloz lets see here maybe its actually sold out, you know i just watched a Transformers Masterpiece KO review that was an identical to the original Takara Tomy, even with the trademark and every thing in short the box is the exact same maybe the colors are a bit lighter but that need an expert eyes to find out, also its actually fixes some of the issues of the original product, and its been sold normally with no problems if this can be sold like this i dont really see why or how the KOB will have problems also Chogokinabdul case is very very different from this one, his item was lost (hopefully he will find it) not taken by custom and he went with AmiAmi before his case every one was recommending them |
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Post by faelon on Mar 22, 2017 11:38:40 GMT -5
ah i didnt post the BBTS link tho man i only posted AE and Angloz lets see here maybe its actually sold out, you know i just watched a Transformers Masterpiece KO review that was an identical to the original Takara Tomy, even with the trademark and every thing in short the box is the exact same maybe the colors are a bit lighter but that need an expert eyes to find out, also its actually fixes some of the issues of the original product, and its been sold normally with no problems if this can be sold like this i dont really see why or how the KOB will have problems also Chogokinabdul case is very very different from this one, his item was lost (hopefully he will find it) not taken by custom and he went with AmiAmi before his case every one was recommending them "Maybe it's just sold out?" I asked Customer Services where the listing went. The answer was basically The item has been removed from listing while we await a response from the vendor and from WEP regarding its license status. BBTS does not sell unauthorized product. |
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Post by BIGFIRE on Mar 22, 2017 11:53:45 GMT -5
Good on BBTS.
Licensing issues still huh? I hope it gets resolved.
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Post by locidm on Mar 22, 2017 12:12:59 GMT -5
ah i didnt post the BBTS link tho man i only posted AE and Angloz lets see here maybe its actually sold out, you know i just watched a Transformers Masterpiece KO review that was an identical to the original Takara Tomy, even with the trademark and every thing in short the box is the exact same maybe the colors are a bit lighter but that need an expert eyes to find out, also its actually fixes some of the issues of the original product, and its been sold normally with no problems if this can be sold like this i dont really see why or how the KOB will have problems also Chogokinabdul case is very very different from this one, his item was lost (hopefully he will find it) not taken by custom and he went with AmiAmi before his case every one was recommending them "Maybe it's just sold out?" I asked Customer Services where the listing went. The answer was basically The item has been removed from listing while we await a response from the vendor and from WEP regarding its license status. BBTS does not sell unauthorized product. BBTS does sell a ton of third party and KO transformers that are not licensed. The differences between those and KOB I think are as follow: 1. The transformers 3rd party/KO products don't label themselves as transformers, do not have a transformers logo, and do not claim to be licensed products. This KOB renewal on the other hand, does all three with respect to Voltron. 2. Takara Tomy / Hasbro has not been going after these 3rd party/KO companies, and have not been known to hand out C&D to these companies. WEP, on the other hand, is quite actively doing what they can to limit KOs/unlicensed products. I'm sure WEP caught word of the BBTS listing and contacted (more like threatened) them about it. Nevertheless, BBTS's claim that they don't sell unlicensed product, if true, is hypocritical at best. |
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Post by faelon on Mar 22, 2017 12:19:38 GMT -5
Good on BBTS. Licensing issues still huh? I hope it gets resolved. How would it get resolved? They produced product without a license, claimed to merchants and consumers that it was licensed, and put fraudulent Trademark info on the product. WEP isn't going to resolve that sort of thing in any manner that doesn't end in a landfill. No IP holder would. It's going to trickle out like any other questionable bootleg or counterfeit product. What distribution it gets will be overseas, largely HK vendors and channels such as Ebay. It's worth noting that just yesterday Amazon unveiled a whole new system and toolsets to crack down on Trademark infringement and knock off/bootleg/counterfeit goods on the third party merchant stores. It seems to be almost tailor made to go after things such as that Transformers KO that S_Gokin mentions, and it's sellers. |
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Post by FixedInPost on Mar 22, 2017 12:42:40 GMT -5
Personally, I have no interest in this figure, but I hate the thought of anyone being on the hook for 300 bucks.
I Got this straight from BBTS:
From what I was informed after discussing this internally, these products were offered to us from a reliable vendor who typically would not offer something that is not licensed. BBTS strives to only offer authentic products and we obviously prefer to avoid a product if there is a licensing complication. Therefore, I have been informed that the items in reference have since been temporarily removed from our website so that we can confirm with both the vendor as well as WEP that the items can be sold as is. If there is any sort of issue, we will permanently remove these listings and cancel preorders accordingly. Unfortunately, from what I've learned thus far, things are leaning more towards being canceled and removed versus being republished.
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