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Post by crpdiablos on Jan 31, 2018 1:49:33 GMT -5
I have been building high end replicas of a few well known Exotic cars but in twenty years I have never advertised my products as a licensed not have i used any of tgeir name or emblems or called my car a replica of theirs. I see no reason to call this a voltron if it ain't licensed..We all know what it is and don't need it to be called voltron or licensed to enjoy it if it's good. Look at lionbot hell this should and could have been called a lionbot and non of this b.s. would be happening. They look shady at best as a company and all of this speculation and debate wouldn't be happening. Personally I think it is wrong to use the voltron NAME but worse is saying they have a license and branded their product as legit. That is deceptive and wrong and it means we the consumer are being lied to.my thought it was kind if person would have the nads to outright lie to their consumers like this. I literally get stuck at how I feel about how wrong this is and what should be done. Should everyone boycott them and demand refunds yes and no. We know that no refunds will be given but no-one should purchase their product if they continue to brand them S licensed voltron when they are not.from what I've read it is clear they are not licensed and this is not some misunderstanding. It is a deliberate attempt to mislead the public into believing this is Voltron when it's not. The name on the package swayed not one person that purchased it but it certainly made others pass on it that may have purchased it if it was called king lion or something else. So lying to us has cost them sales which they would have made if they had done things honestly.
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Post by S_Gokin on Jan 31, 2018 7:59:13 GMT -5
nice legal terms guys
But do you remember back then how WEP shut down MT ?
their FB Page and their official site were shut down by WEP also almost every store that have the KOB on Preorder removed the item from their stores
so why WEP wont do that again ?
my personal guessing (not a fact) is they either cant shut them down which is something i said long ago, or maybe Icarus got a licensee somehow, how come the figure is been deliver world wide without any problems ?
lastly i dont have anything against WEP but as an owner of one of the most iconic super robots what did they do to it ? Toynami milked it for about 20 years and when we finally got a decent figure for the robot (KOB) they shut them down !
so i understand if people dont like them
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Post by ninjarobot on Jan 31, 2018 8:36:39 GMT -5
So for those of you who disagree with Icarus, Mad Toys, other KO's, etc....you'd rather have nothing at all vs. buy an unlicensed KO? If you can even call it a knock off in the true definition of the words. Its a high end, high quality piece that otherwise would NEVER get made by the license holder. Seams silly to me. I give plenty of my money to WEP. I'd give MORE money to them, but they wont produce more, so I give my money to the guys who do.
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Post by smokinchogokin on Jan 31, 2018 10:24:46 GMT -5
Well said S.Gokin. I’m one of those people that thinks WEP are a bunch of amateurs w no vision.
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Post by Paik4Life on Jan 31, 2018 15:07:08 GMT -5
I've been waiting on my order from ToyerCity since it supposedly shipped 1/9/18, but tracking hasn't updated since it supposedly left HK and ToyerCity hasn't responded to me. I guess I'll file with PayPal and then reorder elsewhere. I thought ToyerCity had a good reputation?
~Paik
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Post by tjdetweiler on Jan 31, 2018 15:28:29 GMT -5
I've been waiting on my order from ToyerCity since it supposedly shipped 1/9/18, but tracking hasn't updated since it supposedly left HK and ToyerCity hasn't responded to me. I guess I'll file with PayPal and then reorder elsewhere. I thought ToyerCity had a good reputation? ~Paik I ordered some TFs with them ages ago - what method of shipment did you use? EMS? If yes EMS - file a complain if SAL - normally it takes a month...  |
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Post by Guapisimo on Jan 31, 2018 15:35:44 GMT -5
So for those of you who disagree with Icarus, Mad Toys, other KO's, etc....you'd rather have nothing at all vs. buy an unlicensed KO? If you can even call it a knock off in the true definition of the words. Its a high end, high quality piece that otherwise would NEVER get made by the license holder. Seams silly to me. I give plenty of my money to WEP. I'd give MORE money to them, but they wont produce more, so I give my money to the guys who do. Yes! THIS hits the nail on the head right here! |
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Post by thayora on Jan 31, 2018 19:43:08 GMT -5
So for those of you who disagree with Icarus, Mad Toys, other KO's, etc....you'd rather have nothing at all vs. buy an unlicensed KO? If you can even call it a knock off in the true definition of the words. Its a high end, high quality piece that otherwise would NEVER get made by the license holder. Seams silly to me. I give plenty of my money to WEP. I'd give MORE money to them, but they wont produce more, so I give my money to the guys who do. Except the problem isn't that we don't want more Voltron content, licensed or not, it's the fact that Icarus is literally lying? I don't understand why you guys are so hesitant to admit that Icarus is lying to vendors and customers. "Third party" products being produced isn't the problem, they're literally using lies to sell their products. |
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Post by batsugun21 on Jan 31, 2018 19:52:59 GMT -5
nice legal terms guys But do you remember back then how WEP shut down MT ? their FB Page and their official site were shut down by WEP also almost every store that have the KOB on Preorder removed the item from their stores so why WEP wont do that again ? my personal guessing (not a fact) is they either cant shut them down which is something i said long ago, or maybe Icarus got a licensee somehow, how come the figure is been deliver world wide without any problems ? lastly i dont have anything against WEP but as an owner of one of the most iconic super robots what did they do to it ? Toynami milked it for about 20 years and when we finally got a decent figure for the robot (KOB) they shut them down ! so i understand if people dont like them Everything is speculation. WEP really has no legal recourse to shut down any over seas company. What WEP did is stop the sales in the US. From all that I have read including from mad toys them selves. Mad toys was relying on the US sellers to order so they had the money to put the figure in production. When the US seller's bailed and production problems, Mad Toys no longer had the money to produce the figures. Only small numbers were produced. Icarus Toys produces a lot more product not related to voltron and has more capital. Even without committed US sellers, Icarus has the capital to continue to produce the figure. |
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Post by locidm on Jan 31, 2018 20:47:09 GMT -5
It is clear to me that Icarus does not have the license and is lying to its vendor and customers, and putting up a pretty darn good act while at it.
It is also clear to me that all the lies and deceit just simply does not matter to some collectors as long as they get a good products on their display shelf. I respect that, it's their money and their collection, they can do whatever they want with it.
The important thing is we are able to share information here on this thread freely, without being oppressive to the opposite side, because we all value different things, and the more information is available, the more information people have to go off on to make their own decision on whether to support this release.
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Post by DUKE 77 on Jan 31, 2018 23:20:34 GMT -5
Guys, kindly, if you do not mind... ✋ enough talking about licensed or not! I feel this topic is ruining the thread. It's an amazing figure and that's what counts since other companies (with licenses) didn't give us such an awesome style like Mad Toys/Icarus for years. Please... |
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 1, 2018 0:46:49 GMT -5
Except the problem isn't that we don't want more Voltron content, licensed or not, it's the fact that Icarus is literally lying? I don't understand why you guys are so hesitant to admit that Icarus is lying to vendors and customers. "Third party" products being produced isn't the problem, they're literally using lies to sell their products. because they have licenses for other products, so they got no reason to lie about this one Everything is speculation. WEP really has no legal recourse to shut down any over seas company. What WEP did is stop the sales in the US. From all that I have read including from mad toys them selves. Mad toys was relying on the US sellers to order so they had the money to put the figure in production. When the US seller's bailed and production problems, Mad Toys no longer had the money to produce the figures. Only small numbers were produced. Icarus Toys produces a lot more product not related to voltron and has more capital. Even without committed US sellers, Icarus has the capital to continue to produce the figure. not the point i mentioned, back in the day in the very first KOB thread, there was an MT official member his name was tony i think, he told us that WEP shut them down actually WEP and MT was getting along, MT showed an Email from WEP and they were going to give them a license but they didn't, i think MT was waiting on WEP to give them the green light, because we saw a production photos for it and how come MT have no money ? the V1 KOB got sold out in every store for 2 years Guys, kindly, if you do not mind... ✋ enough talking about licensed or not! I feel this topic is ruining the thread. It's an amazing figure and that's what counts since other companies (with licenses) didn't give us such an awesome style like Mad Toys/Icarus for years. Please...i totally agree with you, the figure is amazing, and this a forum for figures not licenses |
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Post by thayora on Feb 1, 2018 1:07:40 GMT -5
Except the problem isn't that we don't want more Voltron content, licensed or not, it's the fact that Icarus is literally lying? I don't understand why you guys are so hesitant to admit that Icarus is lying to vendors and customers. "Third party" products being produced isn't the problem, they're literally using lies to sell their products. because they have licenses for other products, so they got no reason to lie about this one Everything is speculation. WEP really has no legal recourse to shut down any over seas company. What WEP did is stop the sales in the US. From all that I have read including from mad toys them selves. Mad toys was relying on the US sellers to order so they had the money to put the figure in production. When the US seller's bailed and production problems, Mad Toys no longer had the money to produce the figures. Only small numbers were produced. Icarus Toys produces a lot more product not related to voltron and has more capital. Even without committed US sellers, Icarus has the capital to continue to produce the figure. not the point i mentioned, back in the day in the very first KOB thread, there was an MT official member his name was tony i think, he told us that WEP shut them down actually WEP and MT was getting along, MT showed an Email from WEP and they were going to give them a license but they didn't, i think MT was waiting on WEP to give them the green light, because we saw a production photos for it and how come MT have no money ? the V1 KOB got sold out in every store for 2 years Guys, kindly, if you do not mind... ✋ enough talking about licensed or not! I feel this topic is ruining the thread. It's an amazing figure and that's what counts since other companies (with licenses) didn't give us such an awesome style like Mad Toys/Icarus for years. Please...i totally agree with you, the figure is amazing, and this a forum for figures not licenses Having a license for other properties doesn't mean that this is licensed. DreamEX produced both licensed and unlicensed toys (like Voltron, tmnt, daltanious) so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Furthermore, WEP already confirmed that this is unlicensed. This forum should inform people about anything regarding this figure. It's worth discussing about the legalities regarding this as well so that they can make informed buying choices. That's like saying we can't discuss about which vendors are trustworthy if we can /only/ talk about the figure. |
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Post by smokinchogokin on Feb 1, 2018 6:21:02 GMT -5
Heck ya!! Icarus emailed me my tracking last night! So excited to see this amazing paint job in person.
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Post by ninjarobot on Feb 1, 2018 10:02:59 GMT -5
So we can only talk about figures, and nothing else that is directly related to them? smh.
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 1, 2018 11:01:19 GMT -5
Having a license for other properties doesn't mean that this is licensed. DreamEX produced both licensed and unlicensed toys (like Voltron, tmnt, daltanious) so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Furthermore, WEP already confirmed that this is unlicensed. This forum should inform people about anything regarding this figure. It's worth discussing about the legalities regarding this as well so that they can make informed buying choices. That's like saying we can't discuss about which vendors are trustworthy if we can /only/ talk about the figure. from what i know you cant be half and half you are either legit or shady your example is not related to the subject Icarus are trust worthy you can order the figure and it will be deliver to you, even if you are in the US no problems so far my personal guessing is that if WEP could stop them they would but i dont think they can for couple of reasons Heck ya!! Icarus emailed me my tracking last night! So excited to see this amazing paint job in person. congrats kindly send me a link where did you bought it from so i can compare prices |
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Post by thayora on Feb 1, 2018 12:55:40 GMT -5
Having a license for other properties doesn't mean that this is licensed. DreamEX produced both licensed and unlicensed toys (like Voltron, tmnt, daltanious) so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Furthermore, WEP already confirmed that this is unlicensed. This forum should inform people about anything regarding this figure. It's worth discussing about the legalities regarding this as well so that they can make informed buying choices. That's like saying we can't discuss about which vendors are trustworthy if we can /only/ talk about the figure. from what i know you cant be half and half you are either legit or shady your example is not related to the subject Icarus are trust worthy you can order the figure and it will be deliver to you, even if you are in the US no problems so far my personal guessing is that if WEP could stop them they would but i dont think they can for couple of reasons Heck ya!! Icarus emailed me my tracking last night! So excited to see this amazing paint job in person. congrats kindly send me a link where did you bought it from so i can compare prices The only thing that isn't speculation is WEP denying its legitimacy. I don't know why you people are taking those multiple emails so lightly. These conspiracy theories about KOB V2 being a legit product is ridiculous especially when people here are going back and forth between "who cares if it's unlicensed!!" to "maybe WEP are the real liars here". And why does my example of Dream EX not apply here? Remember their SD golion started as an unlicensed product until toynami used it's mold for an official product. Yet that doesn't change the fact that they have licensed (their recent tmnt stuff) and unlicensed (SD daltanious and godmars) products in their portfolio. So no. It isn't as black and white as legit or shady. Again, your love for this Gokin shouldn't detract from the fact that people should discuss this here. Many people need to talk about that to make informed buying choices. Many people deserve to know if they're being lied to. |
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Post by S_Gokin on Feb 2, 2018 7:49:03 GMT -5
The only thing that isn't speculation is WEP denying its legitimacy. I don't know why you people are taking those multiple emails so lightly. These conspiracy theories about KOB V2 being a legit product is ridiculous especially when people here are going back and forth between "who cares if it's unlicensed!!" to "maybe WEP are the real liars here". And why does my example of Dream EX not apply here? Remember their SD golion started as an unlicensed product until toynami used it's mold for an official product. Yet that doesn't change the fact that they have licensed (their recent tmnt stuff) and unlicensed (SD daltanious and godmars) products in their portfolio. So no. It isn't as black and white as legit or shady. Again, your love for this Gokin shouldn't detract from the fact that people should discuss this here. Many people need to talk about that to make informed buying choices. Many people deserve to know if they're being lied to. to be honest with you only a very few members and collectors care about the legitimacy of the figure, people are buying 2 sets of each version without even thinking about this matter you were talking about vendors, but we are talking about companies, you made it sound like Icarus is a scam company lol from what i know reputation come first that's why companies cant risk doing shady stuff because this could ruins their reputation you said it, i love this figure, regardless if it licensed or not  and i think most people have the same feeling i also think this sub topic should get its own thread, where people who care about the license more than the figure could talk freely |
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Post by smokinchogokin on Feb 2, 2018 8:22:23 GMT -5
I hope Icarus makes a gold plated Voltron. Just sayin’
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Post by shintitan on Feb 2, 2018 8:28:31 GMT -5
I know for a fact by the end of day those who missed or refused to buy it because of license they will regret years later when it becomes rare and collectible.
Look at the first version, there was a time it reached a 1000$ and you will be lucky if find one.
Honestly if a figure has a unique design or it's discontinued or no one thought about making one then I wouldn't mind it. Now a poor quality copy of an available figure that's where I have a problem. Like for example square Enix playarts line or figmas. They sell it as liget and real deal when in fact it's s**t.
Bottom line is, don't let something like this get to you and throw you off this figure. And for those who bought it and complained about the license issue, sorry but my by all means you are a hypocrite.
And look at this way. Maybe this will encourage Bandia to re-issue the GX-71.
B.S. If you think about it the only places that doesn't sell this figure is the Japanese, Canada and US market. It's available everywhere else.
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