The Getter Canon

[Mechanical Flesh]

Heh, this poll and the one from the Mazinger Canon should be somewhat similar, also in the choices available. I just choose what I thought would be the top 5 better known Getters. It's a sad fact, but we all know that the original TV shows and the OVA series are more popular than the mangas, right?

The same statement applies to me. I do have the intention of fetching and reading through all of the Getter mangas, but I already watched the 70's animes, that was my first approach to the Getter universe.

Did you read the mangas Tetsuryu?

[tetsuryu]

As a matter of fact, I have.

It's kind of frustrating that with all the remakes in the fashion, we still haven't gotten a manga-accurate adaptation of the Getter Robo series.

Not to mention Getter Robo Go remains untranslated, leaving us with only two sources to experience Neo Getter - the movie and the manga.

So if your poll is just for the mechs, you blew it again - the series is titled Go, but the robot is named Neo Getter

[Mechanical Flesh]

Sept 27, 2014 19:12:23 GMT -5 tetsuryu said:

So if your poll is just for the mechs, you blew it again - the series is titled Go, but the robot is named Neo Getter

*gulp*

Thankfully I can use the "we're all here to learn from each other" excuse... anyway, thanks a lot for clarifying

Right, Getter Robo Go wasn't translated, I just saw some scenes from it and noticed the design. Mainly that dark blue color palette.

And then, when I saw the OVAs of Shin VS Neo, I noticed Neo Getter was blu, but the design was slightly different so I thought they were different robots... So Neo Getter Robo is the main mecha of Getter Robo Go, huh? I'll have to modify the poll...

I still want to keep Getter Robo and Robo G. And Shin Getter. I should just rename correctly Getter Robo Go. Maybe I'll add New Getter as well, after all, it's got its TV series and toys.

[tetsuryu]

The design might be slightly different, but yeah, it's definitely supposed to be Neo Getter. I understand that the Go anime is basically a lot like the old Toei shows; they got the premise of a new Getter team fighting some evil scientist from the manga, but ends up doing it's own thing and shrugs off the rest of the manga. A real shame no one has translated it, really - I hear that general consensus is that it isn't very good, but apparently it's pretty much on par with the 70's shows so if you liked those, you'd probably like Go too.

One thing I liked about the original manga though was that the Hyakki empire didn't wait until the Dinosaur empire had been destroyed (nor did the Dinosaur empire even get destroyed, but that's another story), but actually showed up like halfway through into the first volume, ending up in basically a three-way fight between the Getter team and the Dinosaur empire.

I still need to finish the manga actually, I left off at the end of Go since Shin Getter is basically a prequel.

[mazingetter]

Sept 27, 2014 19:28:24 GMT -5 Mechanical Flesh said:

So Neo Getter Robo is the main mecha of Getter Robo Go, huh?

Neo Getter Robo is the main mecha of Shin Getter Robo vs Neo Getter Robo, although it gets replaced by Shin Getter Robo later. Neo Getter doesn't even appear in either the manga or TV versions of Getter Robo Go. However, Neo Getter Robo is definitely inspired by Getter Robo Go, particularly the color schemes, power source and pilots but they are still different machines.

[Mechanical Flesh]

Uh, we seem to have our first discussion going, hehe

So Tetsuryu said that, even in Getter Robo Go, the titular mecha is Neo Getter, just with a slightly different design that the one in the Shin VS Neo OVAs.

Mazingetter, on the other had, assures that they're 2 different and unrelated robots.

So, both Getter Go and Neo Getter have a dark blue major color scheme, they both run on Plasma energy instead of Getter energy, and they both share the same pilots? Sounds like (almost) the same robot to me...

But I don't feel like putting both options in the poll would be a wise decision. I mean, if you like the look of the robot, or just the pilots, you don't care choosing between Go and Neo.

mazingetter I read somewhere that the Shin VS Neo OVAs are quite manga accurate, despite diverging in some aspects. And by manga accurate I mean way more accurate than the Armageddon OVAs. Is that true?

[mazingetter]

Getter Go/Sho/Gai is not the same as Neo Getter 1/2/3. They have very different design elements and weapons/attacks. More accurately, Neo Getter Robo is an alternate take on both Getter Robo Go and Getter Robo G. Neo gets the colors and power source from Go and some design elements from G, particularly the OVA/game version.

None of the various Getter Robo anime is exactly manga accurate. That being said, Shin vs Neo is inspired by the Getter Robo Go manga.

[tetsuryu]

And even then loosely. Armageddon also lifts a good amount of elements from the Go manga.

Looks like you're right tho, Go and Neo do look considerably different, much moreso than anime Go vs. manga Go. The anime Go appears to have big fans on it's shoulders, and I suspect that the changes in the anime Go were made so it could be more easily worked into a fully transformable toy. Thanks google!

I guess I should continue reading the manga - Go was the last one I read, and Shin is up next and it's a prequel.

[Mechanical Flesh]

Ok then. This should be the last poll edit necessary. Go and Neo are 2 different Getters, so they had to be listed separately. In the end I included only the getters which got a decent amount of screen time, which are the most likely to be known by forum members. Getter Robo and Robo G, Go, Shin Getter, Neo Getter and New Getter.

Speaking of this last one, New Getter Robo. It got a post-2000 series, 2004 if I recall correctly. But I heard almost nothing about it, was it any good? Was it succesful?

Also, I apologize to that 1 person who already voted on the poll: you need to re-vote, since I needed to modify it 

[S_Gokin]

Come MF i know the getter robo world have alot of getters in it but wheres the most ruthless one of them all the black getter robo ryoma 



you must add him to the poll my friend because he is one of the main getters 

[tetsuryu]

And then there's all those Getters that have never appeared in animated form - Getter Dinosaur (and I'm not talking about the new toy here - Getter Dinosaur is Dinosaur Empire's own Getter Robo!), Getter Arc, Getter Emperor...

I know one thing for sure, I like Neo a lot better than Go - those green pants look terrible!

[Mechanical Flesh]

Sept 28, 2014 9:36:00 GMT -5 S_Gokin said:

Come MF i know the getter robo world have alot of getters in it but wheres the most ruthless one of them all the black getter robo ryoma 



you must add him to the poll my friend because he is one of the main getters 

Hehehe, I was just waiting for someone to ask me that! Good question S_Gokin

I actually included Black Getter at first. But then decided to take it out, and the reason? When Ryoma wakes up in the cockpit of the partially destroyed Getter 1, in the abandoned lunar base, decides to head back to the Earth, and kick sma aline butt. So he restores the robot to full functionality, adding the faceplate, the knucles, the knee protections and the extra-long blades on the left forearm. I don't know if the black color is due to the overheating the Getter suffered during atmospheric re-entry (you can see it's blazing red in that scene), or if Ryoma just recolored it while he was still on the Moon.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here, Black Getter is just a slightly customized Getter 1, it could probably still open get and re-combine in Black Getter 2 and 3. It's so memorable only because Ryoma decided to go full brutal with it, giving us some of the bloodiest scenes of Armageddon 
But yeah, it's still the good ol' Getter 1. So vote Getter Robo, if Black Getter is your favourite one 

[Mechanical Flesh]

Sept 28, 2014 10:30:45 GMT -5 tetsuryu said:

And then there's all those Getters that have never appeared in animated form - Getter Dinosaur (and I'm not talking about the new toy here - Getter Dinosaur is Dinosaur Empire's own Getter Robo!), Getter Arc, Getter Emperor...

I know one thing for sure, I like Neo a lot better than Go - those green pants look terrible!

I had to take some decisions, having a poll with 10 or more entries might be too dispersive/confusing, so I just sticked to some of the most famous ones. Not even the poll in the Maz Canon has all of the Mazingers, just think about Shin Mazinger, Z mazinger or Mazinkaiser SKL, they're all missing.

I know about Getter Dinosaur, even though I only saw him in a scan image taken from the manga. That's quite an obscure robot, more mechasaurus than Getter if you ask me, but still cool and original. Getter Arc, it's such a pity Ishikawa died before finishing it    he wanted Arc to be the conclusion to the saga, but alas, we'll never know what he had in mind for the ending... too bad. Also, since the story is incomplete, I don't feel like it deserves its spot in the poll 

And the almighty Getter Emperor... that's more a god than a robot. And even as a Getter, it is not piloted. It acts more like a threat than a hero mecha, in the mangas, right? That and again, the fact that you don't even see it in animated form, contributed to leave it out of the poll. Actually, right at the end of Armageddon you can see the Getter Emperor machines, Eagle Emperor, Jaguar Emperor And Bear Emperor, among a great fleet of smaller Getter machines. But we never see the combined Emperor, that's manga-only...

[tetsuryu]

Yeah, but the difference between the Mazinger canon thread and this one is that I joined long after that thread started.

I think the biggest issue with sticking to animation only is that there is no definitive anime adaptation of any of Ishikawa's Getter Robo - the manga is it - so just using the anime versions as examples feels like...I dunno, like if you're putting a mere shadow of a superior thing on a pedestal instead of itself?

I mean hell, Armageddon was pretty much made squarely for people who have read the manga.

[Mechanical Flesh]

That is true. And can be applied to many other robot franchises, unfortunately. People, more often than not, will hear about something and check it out and judge it as a standalone product without informing themselves, to see if there were previous works on that subject.

Reminds me of when I went to the cinema to check out the third Evangelion Re-build movie, the 3.33 one. In these movies a lot of things are kept unexplained, even though they were explained in the anime series Neon Genesis Evangelion of the 90's. Still, a lot of (young) people went to see the movie and couldn't understand what was happening, obviously. The movies were made for the fans of the original series, people who already knew about the topics ad events of Evangelion. Yet, a lot of uninformed people watched them and left negative reviews, complaining about the lack of explanation on some parts.

Not many people, even fans of a franchise, will try to learn as many things as possible about it. Waste of time and resources, they may think. Better to stick with the easier-to-get stuff, like movies and TV series. And this probably happens with Getter Robo as well

[S_Gokin]

Sept 28, 2014 10:33:47 GMT -5 Mechanical Flesh said:

Sept 28, 2014 9:36:00 GMT -5 S_Gokin said:

Come MF i know the getter robo world have alot of getters in it but wheres the most ruthless one of them all the black getter robo ryoma 



you must add him to the poll my friend because he is one of the main getters 

Hehehe, I was just waiting for someone to ask me that! Good question S_Gokin

I actually included Black Getter at first. But then decided to take it out, and the reason? When Ryoma wakes up in the cockpit of the partially destroyed Getter 1, in the abandoned lunar base, decides to head back to the Earth, and kick sma aline butt. So he restores the robot to full functionality, adding the faceplate, the knucles, the knee protections and the extra-long blades on the left forearm. I don't know if the black color is due to the overheating the Getter suffered during atmospheric re-entry (you can see it's blazing red in that scene), or if Ryoma just recolored it while he was still on the Moon.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here, Black Getter is just a slightly customized Getter 1, it could probably still open get and re-combine in Black Getter 2 and 3. It's so memorable only because Ryoma decided to go full brutal with it, giving us some of the bloodiest scenes of Armageddon 
But yeah, it's still the good ol' Getter 1. So vote Getter Robo, if Black Getter is your favourite one 

Great point my friend  but the black Getter is not a regular Getter anymore he’s a heavily modified version and he have more weapons in the super robot wars games they just didn't put it in the anime & his original red paint was burned-up due to atmospheric re-entry Ryoma didn't paint him and I’m sure I read somewhere he’s stock in the getter 1 mode and cant transform to the other two so that’s another point for him, you should totally rethink it & put it back in the poll my friend

[Mechanical Flesh]

Sept 28, 2014 13:48:01 GMT -5 S_Gokin said:

Great point my friend  but the black Getter is not a regular Getter anymore he’s a heavily modified version and he have more weapons in the super robot wars games they just didn't put it in the anime & his original red paint was burned-up due to atmospheric re-entry Ryoma didn't paint him and I’m sure I read somewhere he’s stock in the getter 1 mode and cant transform to the other two so that’s another point for him, you should totally rethink it & put it back in the poll my friend

It was a tough decision, to leave Black Getter out of the poll. But I already modified the poll many, many times, tweaking it and I think I'm happy with what we have now.

I don't consider the SRW games to be a canonical source of information, and Black Getter doesn't even show up in the mangas, it's an Armageddon-only mecha.

I just checked the Getter Robo Wiki for additional information, you were right, the red and white paintjob got blackened during the atmospheric re-entry. But it also said, that Black Getter is just a partially modified Getter 1, in the end. Ryoma, which I guess was super-pissed off when he figured out that he missed 13 years of slicing alien invaders, wanted some up-close action with those ba$t*rds, and modified the wrecked Getter 1 for enhanced melee combat.

Better protection for some important joints, like the knees. Reinforcment of the head area with the faceplate, which also worked as a hatch, since the original cockpit opening had been destroyed. A longer, more effective Getter Cutter, coupled with the newly-installed knuckles. Ryoma practically turned Getter 1 in a "brawler"    but still Getter 1, and still with its original weaponry: Black Getter had acces to the Getter Tomahawks, Getter Gatlings, Getter Wing and Getter Beam just like any other Getter 1 did. Picture it red in your mind, as it was originally meant to be, and you'll see that the differences with a stock Getter 1 are quite minimal.

So yeah. I'm sorry but, if your vote was for Black Getter, then consider giving it to Getter Robo 

[S_Gokin]

Sept 28, 2014 14:30:28 GMT -5 Mechanical Flesh said:

Sept 28, 2014 13:48:01 GMT -5 S_Gokin said:

Great point my friend  but the black Getter is not a regular Getter anymore he’s a heavily modified version and he have more weapons in the super robot wars games they just didn't put it in the anime & his original red paint was burned-up due to atmospheric re-entry Ryoma didn't paint him and I’m sure I read somewhere he’s stock in the getter 1 mode and cant transform to the other two so that’s another point for him, you should totally rethink it & put it back in the poll my friend

It was a tough decision, to leave Black Getter out of the poll. But I already modified the poll many, many times, tweaking it and I think I'm happy with what we have now.

I don't consider the SRW games to be a canonical source of information, and Black Getter doesn't even show up in the mangas, it's an Armageddon-only mecha.

I just checked the Getter Robo Wiki for additional information, you were right, the red and white paintjob got blackened during the atmospheric re-entry. But it also said, that Black Getter is just a partially modified Getter 1, in the end. Ryoma, which I guess was super-pissed off when he figured out that he missed 13 years of slicing alien invaders, wanted some up-close action with those ba$t*rds, and modified the wrecked Getter 1 for enhanced melee combat.

Better protection for some important joints, like the knees. Reinforcment of the head area with the faceplate, which also worked as a hatch, since the original cockpit opening had been destroyed. A longer, more effective Getter Cutter, coupled with the newly-installed knuckles. Ryoma practically turned Getter 1 in a "brawler"    but still Getter 1, and still with its original weaponry: Black Getter had acces to the Getter Tomahawks, Getter Gatlings, Getter Wing and Getter Beam just like any other Getter 1 did. Picture it red in your mind, as it was originally meant to be, and you'll see that the differences with a stock Getter 1 are quite minimal.

So yeah. I'm sorry but, if your vote was for Black Getter, then consider giving it to Getter Robo 

Ok fine don’t put him in the poll  but for many fans the black Getter is a totally different beast than the regular Getter and the poll is about our favorite Getter not favorite colors even if he’s a modified Getter robo he’s way different than him, if he’s not in the poll I will vote for shin Getter robo my 2nd best   

[Mechanical Flesh]

Yeah, I apologize again for the inconvenience, but the poll is pretty much definitive now.

Also, something I forgot to write down in my last comment. What defines a Getter? What's one of the most important elements that characterizes a Getter?

3 pilots, 1 will. The ability to open get and change between the 3 different configurations, depending on the situation. You can't take that away from a real Getter    and for that reason, Black Getter is more similar to Mazinger Z than Getter Robo, since it lost its ability to recombine, and is piloted by just one person.

I stand by my word. I won't include Black Getter, despite being one of the most awesome entries in the Getter media. It lacks something way too important.

[TheMazingerZ]

Well, as I remember, in the initial episodes of Getter Robo Go, the Getter was more like Mazinger/Black Getter than a "Gattai" Getter. It did not combine, just launched out of a hangar. I can't remember in which episode it was finally made into a Gattai robot.

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